honda loyalty

Who has them? Do you like them? Tire rack seems to love them but how are they on the 04. Better or worst then the Michelins A/S. Please weigh in.

vandy786

I saw a review on Tirerack from someone who said he had them on his 2004 TL. He said they sucked. He put less than 200 miles before writing that review. I hear these are among the best tires but you have to wear off the factory film before they really start to shine. To do this, you can drive aggressively for the first 50 miles or normally for 300 miles. During this "break in" period, the tire's performance might suck but after the conditioning, I heard they are superb all-weather tires. I'm getting mine soon and will post an actual review then.

Rocketsfan

I think somebody on this forum has them. Is it rkillian? I don't recall...

chadr

I have these tires and I love them compared to the stock tires. The michelins are great tires as well but I am not sure I would spend the extra $280 for a set over the Pirellis. I would certainily get the 245s over the 235s if I had it to do over again. The 235s allow the rim to stick out more then I like.

drising

ChadR has inluded pix. There have been SEVERAL threads on them. try a text search.

DMZ

The reviewer you're referring to had a problem with the 18"ers. I'm still waiting for anyone who has them with the standard 17" wheels to post their experience.

chadr

I posted a review of them on this forum. Do a search on my posts and you will see my thoughts on them. Abridged I think they are great tires that are a significant upgrade from the factory.

frqwntbyr

Why 245 vs 235? With 17" wheels, what is the diameter diff and any reprograming required? DC expecting some ugly stuff tonight, so I may be unable to wait for the bean counters to pull their heads out.

KJSmitty

The diameter, or better yet, the height of the tire between 234 and 245 is negligible - basically about 1/8th of an inch larger(245-no changes to speedo). The overall width is about 3/8's of an inch larger. If you look at the 235/45 BS tires on your 17's, the max width of the sidewall is darn near less than the width of the rim. That is why the issue with "rim/curb rash" is so prevalent. When my tires were being balanced last week I had my tire guy pull out a 245/45 and a 255/45 (pilot A/S's). In the past I swore I would go the 255 route, but after comparing both to the 234/45 BS's, the 255 looked too big and the 245 looked perfect. I would still like to see both "mounted" on the TL rim though....

Smitty

frqwntbyr

Thanks. Shoped the P Zero and Pilot A/S's...ultimately went w/the A/S's because of $80/tire offer for the EL 42s. Wimped out and stayed w/235...maybe next time I'll move a size bigger.

cybermatrix

I love the P Zero's. Althought I never got a chance to experience any inferior tires on the TL. I was glad to have had them mounted the night before I took delivery, because there was about an inch of snow on the ground. The P Zeros have the traction for poor weather, they are quiet, and look nice on the TL.
I got the 235's, but after what I am reading here, I would have liked to have gotten the 245's. I was not aware they would fit.

MarkItZero

Here are pics of my Pirelli P Zero Nero's 245/45/17

KJSmitty

MarkItZero - Thanks for the pics.

They look good - Have more of a square look vs the "to small for rim" action. Doesn't look like they have a rim protector ridge though? Are they bi-directional?

Thanks again

Smitty

MarkItZero

No rim protection. I think they are bi. I can feel the 10mm width difference. I think it helps with the torque steer, and provides a more solid feeling all around.

POnca

Hi MarkItZero:

Your car looks good with 245/45/17. I went to the local tire shop and they recommended 245/40/17 if I want to go with 245. So, what is your opinion on this? Do you expect there will be significant differences in terms of performance and look if I choose one over another? I will keep stock 17" wheel and have Falken Azenis ST115 on my TL. Please tell me your overall experience with 245/45/17?

Thanks.

MarkItZero

obviously, with the 40 aspect ratio, you will have less tire. I wish I would have done that, I think it would look better.

I have no complaints with the P Zero in the size I am running. It handles good and it got around in the 6 inch snowfall we had in KC.

The Pirelli's are smooth and quiet.

cybermatrix

I love mine. Quiet & grip nicely under all conditions.

rets

TO chadr, SEARCH is not working now, anyone saved the link before? Thanks.


It's easy for us to discuss this case...

I copied it from tirerack.com


Vehicle: 2004 Acura TL
Location: Poway, CA
Driving Style: Average
Miles driven on tires: 200 Driving Condition: Combined Highway/City
Reviewer's Overall Ratings: 6.00 out of 10
Review Submitted 2003-12-14

I upgraded to the (dealer accessory) 18" rims on the 2004 Acura TL -- BAD IDEA! After trying several other brands of tires -- Yokohama AVS ES100 and Yokohama AVS dB S2s (best 18" tire for the TL), I selected the Pirelli Pzero Nero M+S based in large part on the excellent tirerack.com reviews of this tire. This tire is absolutely incompatible with the front wheel drive Acura TL. The tire suffers from severe tramlining -- on the freeway, my car wandered all over the road. The tire also causes a torque-steer like phenomenom, when decelerating rapidly, or going over bumps and dips at low speeds. The noise level is high, but the ride comfort is good. 2004 Acura TL owners with 18" rims -- avoid this tire like the plague!