Turlock

Oh, But what a year!!!!!!

vtechbrain

Info, Risorious: to incite laughter. Nobody accuses you of making up stuff, simply of being gullible (easily duped or cheated). If you read the lexus website carefully (I already posted this!) the GS is quoted at 5.8 and the LS at 5.9. On the other hand independent, non commercial, testing done at consumer reports show the LS turning a 7.1 sec 60 while the TL a 6.6. How do we get over that simple fact???? In my book a 0.5 sec 0-60 difference is at least a 5 car length difference at quarter, ergo, unless the driver of the acura is wasted it will always show a ton of tail light to any lexus. Regardless of any amount of lexus owner whining!

svtmike

This is getting a bit OT, but I can't find "risorious" in the dictionary. The closest thing is "risorius", which is solely used as a medical term, specifically the name of the facial muscles used to smile.

Are you guys perhaps just making "gluteous maximous" claims?

Mike

digital_b

since when did consumer reports become the standard argument winning source of car stuff? just about every major domestic monthly car mag has stated that the ls430 is in the 6.1-6.5 range when its ACTUALLY TESTED BY THE MAGAZINE. I subscribe to just about all of them and I love that car so bleep consumer reports which is only good when reporting car reliability and safety. the only reason I bought a TL is because I cant afford the ls 430 yet and having driven a brand new e class and gs 430 which I loved before driving it the TL destroys both of them regardless of price. the TL may not be as quick as the gs but I dont care. its better looking luxurious enough and considerably less expensive. this is not to meant disparage the gs only to admit that instead of pointless arguing about cars you didnt drive, maybe the thread would be more focused if people making points actually had experience driving the cars instead of just 'quoting' 'specs'. end of rant.

brahtw8

I don't know what physical laws or mathematics apply in "your book", but in the real world, 60 MPH is equivalent to 80 feet per second, (5280/60) so a .5 second difference at 60 MPH is only 40 feet. And since they are really only averaging around 30 MPH over the 6 seconds it takes for the cars to reach 60 MPH, the difference is more like 20 feet, which is one car length.

Edit: #1: 5280/60 is 88 FPS.

Edit #2: (More careful reading, thanks)

Assume 50 MPH average speed over the quarter mile and 5280 x 50 MPH/3600 seconds per hour = 73.33 FEET per second, and if the difference remains .5 seconds at the quarter, you have 36.66 feet over the quarter, or a little more than 2 TL car lengths.

The TL would have to beat the GS by over a second in the quarter in order for it to have 5 car lengths on it. That would mean the GS runs a 15.4 second quarter, which is far too slow.

vtechbrain

Good math skills but poor reading again!(BTW 40 ft is 2.5 acura tl car lengths) The 5 car length estimate is 1/4 mile not to 60 at that time the acura is going at 98 mph! And, no I don't belive Consumer reports is the ultimate source, but since they have reproducible, standarized testing protocols their results are reproducible from car to car (apples to apples). Most car magazines use non-standard acceleration criteria which varies from tester to tester. For example when car and driver first tested the TL type s they had a 6.3 0-60 a year later that number had magically transformed to 7.1. I like auto magazines but I'm well aware their science can be pretty fuzzy.
I know lexus owners take being losers pretty hard but that's their fate at the hands of the new TL. As a matter of fact I think I have a new TL jingle.
"Drive the new TL and enjoy the benefits of being on top" :diablotin

Turlock

Somebody please help me, I tried to close this post but it won't let me.

My questions were pretty simple and polite--but now this is getting stupid and irritating.

VTECHBRAIN posts are the work of a moron!!! Here is what I found out after having to do some research since you are unable to come to a logical conclusion....

Motor Trend tested the GS430 in June 2001 and got 5.9 0-60/13.9 1/4 mile. Lexus says the GS430 will go 0-60 in 5.8. So with two sources saying the same thing I guess we can assume that these numbers are accurate...

CAR & Driver tested a 6 SPEED MANUAL in January 2004 & March 2004 and came away with 0-60 5.7/14.4 1/4 mile & 0-60 5.8 respectively. Also 2 similar tests so we can assume that they are accurate also.

So an obvious conclusion is that the 6 SPEED MANUAL will be slightly faster/or the same 0-60 but will fall slightly (.5 sec) in a 1/4 mile. Probably as a result of the V8 and higher torque pulling at higher speeds.

Now as for the AUTO Versus AUTO which is what the original post asked....
It has been said a couple of times in this post that the AUTO TL is .5-.9 slower to 60mph. So that means a AUTO TL will run a 6.2-6.6 0-60. Consequently it will lose to 60 by .3 to .8 and the 1/4 mile time will be approximately 1 second off the GS since that advantage will be greater by the end of the ¼ miles as we saw in the MANUAL example.

All and all it would probably be a driver’s race.

This post wasn’t meant to be a Lexus VS TL post but VTECHBRAIN your posts are the reason car forums get a bad name. Saying that an Auto TL will be an GS by 5 car lengths after reading everyone’s factual responses is just stupid, and I am now dumber for reading your posts. Look at the facts, if you don’t believe those please go somewhere else with your nonsense….

1SICKLEX

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...exu/index.html

For a reference. No one here bashed the TL. I am not sure why vtechnobrains has to make such ignorant comments. The first GS 300 we tested ripped off a quick 7.6-second 0-60-mph run, while the GS*400 blasted 0-60 mph in a shocking 5.7 seconds. (Since then, we've gotten 5.8- and 5.9-second 0-60 runs from GS 400s.) Stopping distance 60-0 mph was within a foot of 113 feet on both models. The 300's handling numbers were respectable, 0.80 g on the skidpad and 60.9 mph in the slalom; but the GS 400 was sports-car spectacular, 0.87 g on the skidpad and 66.9 in the slalom. A '99 GS 400 returned a whopping 0.90 g on the skidpad and 65.9 mph in the slalom.

vtechbrain

I continue to insist that you must have some reading disability! I don't give a rat's *ss what motor trend, car and driver or Lexus says the car does 0-60. They are all different sources so they are not comparable! Consumer Reports tested both cars, The LS and TL their result were 7.1 for the LS and 6.6 for the TL. Since its the same publication with the same testing criteria its the only comparable result. What's so difficult to understand about that?? Are you stupid or just obnoxious??? Anyway, if Turlok or his DAD owns both cars a test should be very simple shouldn't it?????? With a name as islex what can you expect other than an id*ot that spent too much for an underpower looney-toon styled car.

Turlock

...Deleted my reply...I am done.