MrHeeltoe

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You'd be surprised how much clearance you can GAIN by minimizing flex.

Souljah

Show me pics.
Letzzz do this.

MrHeeltoe

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These are the braces installed. The part numbers are not right, these are for TSXs. But the bars look and fit the same:

AckTL05

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How much would this cost?

bzyrice

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Yah I want this too. Because the handling in this car kinda blows.

Toddy

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Those look like they hang super low. Do you have a pic of the underside of the car on the ground?

ludachrisvt

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I'm so ready for this mod.

NCTL05

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Does this come with a new rear sway bar? Should I use this sway bar if this bracing is used?

MrHeeltoe

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They are actually pretty reasonable. We have some parts here now. We're going to build some packages and post them up shortly.

They do hang down but believe it or not they aren't any lower than the exhaust is. It is really sick seeing them down there. And if you can swallow this, they reduce flex enough that you'll actually gain a bit of ground clearance over certain surfaces.





Serious, the front one will nose into the ground from time to time, and I bonked the middle ones only ONCE over a mega-nasty speed bump that I didn't angle enough. The rear one is between the axle-line so it comes off the ground with the rear wheels. Never gets close to dragging.

The RSB is a separate part. I'd still suggest the progress RSB.

AckTL05

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How much will this be?

bzyrice

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yes price for all!! I want this!

DeathMetal

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I'm dying for ihatecars to drop by this thread.

MrHeeltoe

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Can we get a headcount for a group buy?

myron

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can you post up the ball park price like everyone asked?

AckTL05

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Please tell us how much these metal bars are going to cost.

justnspace

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in for pricing.

kjelly

Definitely interested! In for a group buy...

sac2006TL

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I'm in for the pricing for the groupbuy.

I hate cars

Finally, someone who gets it.

blkaspec

^ heck yay!

not in right now but cant wait to hear more about this mod...could be in my future if its still available next year...

I hate cars

Ehh

I love the subframe connectors (well, almost subframe connectors) and the brace in front of the front axle line. Can't wait for those to be released. However, I can't see a purpose for most of the others especially some of the rear stuff.

Any chance of getting them in black? I really don't want them to be noticable..

Also, if I decide to keep them on(assuming they don't scrape after a few weeks) I'll probably have them welded in. Have you had anyone weld these in yet? Should help with some of the interior squeaks and rattles for sure.

Believe it or not braces such as these can reduce exhaust drone and road noise in some cars.

I would love to buy a set and write a fair review. I'm only an hour away.

I hate cars

True. Of course most will think they feel a difference lol.

If you stick your finger between the top door frame and roof while driving you can feel the chassis flexing. It will almost pinch your finger.

Stiffer suspensions with slicks will probably notice a difference.

NCTL05

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I'd like them in red.

1islandparadise

I didn't they had a such a thing for fwd cars. I've had them in my previous 5.0 stangs, 4x4 Tahoe (w/ 8" suspension lift), and 4x4 Chevota (w/ 12" suspension lift). So this will help for wheel hop?

I hate cars

It ties the front and rear subframe together instead of putting all of the load on the unibody in the middle of the car. On cars like the 5.0 and especially the F-bodies, they had a noticable improvement on cowl shake. The TL comes with a surprisingly stiff chassis from the factory. These will make it feel more solid and reduce flex but it won't be nearly as noticable as the older cars.

Reducing wheel hop may be a secondary benefit but that's taken care of mostly through bushings and engnie/trans mounts. I'm hoping it takes away some of the rattles and lets the suspension perform better. Might help with road noise too, we'll have to see.

Dave_B

My thoughts exactly. Is he somehow implying that the chassis is actually sagging at static ride height. If so, I wouldn't trust this guy to wire my christmas tree.


I agree, subframe connectors rock. But bolt-in subframe connectors are a bit of joke, IMO. They need to be welded in.

I also agree that many of these so called "braces" are pointless. I'm almost positive these guys do not have a chassis machine that can measure body rigidity. They're only a few million bucks.

Dave_B

No. I had a 96 Maxima with welded in full length subframe connectors. That chassis was far more flimsy than the 04 TL+ chassis. The subframe connectors did not reduce wheel hop in the least, but it did improve handling slightly. Mostly it was improving at the limit feel. I have a hard time seeing bolt on subframe connectors like these doing much of anything other than getting a mechanic to scratch his and think "what the heck is this?" when your car is on a lift.

stillhere153

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ULTRA RACING IS SOOOO MUCH WIN... I had my nissan versa ULTRA RACED OUT... bs econobox with tie bars and strutbars... handles like it was on rails man... this stuff is top quality...

I hate cars

That pretty much sums it up lol.

I would be willing to try the subframe connectors but like I said, assuming they don't destroy ground clearance after a few weeks of driving I'm having them welded in. Quite honestly I'm after rattle reduction more than all out handling. I just wish the subframe connectors went from subframe to subframe but these should help.

MrHeeltoe

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I hate cars, email me at support@heeltoeauto.com and I will get you set up to review a set.

ludachrisvt

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Hey, could you put a price of some kind up please?

MrHeeltoe

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$119 for front lower brace
$119 for front lower arm bar
$209 for rear lower arm brace
$239 for side lower frame brace pair

I thought these prices were really very reasonable!

MrHeeltoe

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Here is a page saying how they all sort of are supposed to work and at the bottom are links for purchasing:
http://www.heeltoeauto.com/manufactu...facturerid=135

I hate cars

E-mail sent.

d-j-m

I wouldn't mind a set with these Canadian roads.. it's just somewhat pricey to buy the whole package.

trojanman10984

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so the side lower frame braces would be the most effective out of all the braces??

I hate cars

They should be the best bang for the buck and their effectiveness is well known in the racing world from Mustangs to F-bodies and a few imports. Second would be the braces going from the subframe to the unibody in the front.

Of course this is mostly theory on the TL at this point but it's pretty well tested in other cars. I'm probably going to install a full set just for my own testing so I'll review it as soon as I get the funds to do so.

The TL is already pretty rigid so I'm not getting my hopes up too much but I can see some room for improvement. Just stick your hand between the door frame and roof next time you're driving and it will feel like it's pinching your finger from the body flex over bumps. It should improve at the limit handling and handling over bumps too.

MrHeeltoe

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We will be able to bundle parts for package discounts. We just want to work with Matt there to see how the combos make the most sense.

On my TSX the parts definitely made a difference. When we were developing the HT-Spec dampers and we were starting the setup was all wrong. For some reason I thought bracing might improve things, but contrary to this notion things got worse. The reason is, the braces have the effect of amplifying the suspension traits. When the sus is good, bracing makes it better. When the sus is bad...it gets worse!

The feedback to the driver is just so much better, that it is hard to pinpoint what the actual benefit is. But if you are of the more in-tune-with-your-car crowd, you'll notice them! The effect goes a bit beyond the effectiveness of opening doors when on jack-stands. In this sense, the bracing doesn't do as much as it would on a Mustang, for example. But it does the same thing for the car.

apnorm

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+1

MrHeeltoe

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White only. And the paint is kinda meh on these as well. Good thing they go under the car. Custom colors are a can of Krylon away.

By the way, these are aluminum bars.