Motorweek inside track review on 2007 Acura TL-S
09-07-2006, 01:32 PM
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they are not going to revamp the whole car when the next gen is coming out in 09. the 09 is coming with AWD and probably a serious boost in horsepower. the A-SPEC 06 went for 38 without navi so im pretty sure a 07 type s for 39 with navi isnt to shabby......its actually a pretty good deal.......im upset i got my 06 tl a-spec last year
09-07-2006, 02:01 PM
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hey, new owner of an 06 b/b, 6mt i couldnt be happier, what a load of fun to drive
i didnt feel like waiting on the S, so i traded in my 03 which was beginning to bore me.
for the money, the TL outshines the G anyday
i didnt feel like waiting on the S, so i traded in my 03 which was beginning to bore me.
for the money, the TL outshines the G anyday
09-07-2006, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Kennedy
Noone should pay MSRP either, that is, if you've ever bought a new car before.
If you're willing to come to an affluent area where the Acura dealers base the importance of sale on volume, you will easily score a deal... i.e Northern Virginia. You'll have to shop around... or you may have to special order it, but most dealer will deal for you.
You'll easily pay dealer invoice for a TL-S if you play your cards right. Given my 2006 TL was MSRP 35.5K and I paid $31.6, I'd expect a good negotiator to be able to aquire a new TL-S for around $35K + TTL, maybe even a little less if you want 6MT.
Needless to say the same will be true for buying a new Infiniti G35... so to be accurate, we're really comparing $35K cars together, not $40K cars.
If you're willing to come to an affluent area where the Acura dealers base the importance of sale on volume, you will easily score a deal... i.e Northern Virginia. You'll have to shop around... or you may have to special order it, but most dealer will deal for you.
You'll easily pay dealer invoice for a TL-S if you play your cards right. Given my 2006 TL was MSRP 35.5K and I paid $31.6, I'd expect a good negotiator to be able to aquire a new TL-S for around $35K + TTL, maybe even a little less if you want 6MT.
Needless to say the same will be true for buying a new Infiniti G35... so to be accurate, we're really comparing $35K cars together, not $40K cars.
I see that the '07 G35 clearly wins in almost every category. 37k-2k=35k (G35) vs 39k-2k=37k (TL Type-S) So a fully loaded '07 G35 should be a few grand cheaper than the type-s and also performs better....
09-07-2006, 02:48 PM
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You know, maybe I'm being a little too pessimistic about the new TL-S. I really liked the previous generation's version, so I'll officially open my mind to the possibility that this one could be a hit. I'd still like to get it cheaper than $39K, though.
Also, my somewhat serious intention of buying an '07 335i went *poof* when one of them experienced an engine failure.
...so that little adventure is on hold until the problem is ironed out and the model gets some time under its belt.
I guess it's time to test drive a G35 Sport and a TL-S.
Also, my somewhat serious intention of buying an '07 335i went *poof* when one of them experienced an engine failure.
...so that little adventure is on hold until the problem is ironed out and the model gets some time under its belt. I guess it's time to test drive a G35 Sport and a TL-S.
I agree with you that the TL-S should be cheaper. The fact that all the add-ons on the 2G TL-S only amounted to $2000 on top of a base TL was a very enticing package. However detuned/underrated J35 in the TL along with the other options jacked up the price by $6000 which isn't as good of a deal as the old TL-S.
Engine failure on a prototypical 335i? That's nothing to worry about. Nearly every single BMW owner I know has had various electrical problems. An older 318i with so many problems the dealer couldn't fix them, a late-90's 325i with a turn signal that wouldn't turn off, and two X5's with unreadable cluster displays.
The 2007 G35 sedan looks nice but what is up with the coupe? Really like the current G Coupe but the pictures of the new coupe have outrageuos headlights and tails.
09-07-2006, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JERU
Sounds like this idea was thought up by an intern. Kissing 40K and aimed at performance minded people? The key is "performance oriented". I love my TL, but would not touch it at 40K. I am dollars away from solid performance cars like a 330i w/ sport package, '07 G35 and IS350 with that software reconfigured for '07, all rear wheel without the torque steer Acura is hiding in its back pocket. And if what I hear is correct, that 6M will only be offered on the S, Acura just shot itself in the ass. So hopefully that is not correct or I see three car companies giving out early bonuses for the extra cars they are going to sell
Base MSRP* $35,705.00
• Standard Features
Available Packages $6,845.00
• Sport Package with Additional Options
- Sport Package
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I miss how the Lexus is a better deal? Also, I think the Acura interior is a whole lot nicer. Just my 2 cp..
09-07-2006, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by I Go To Costco
Engine failure on a prototypical 335i? That's nothing to worry about. Nearly every single BMW owner I know has had various electrical problems. An older 318i with so many problems the dealer couldn't fix them, a late-90's 325i with a turn signal that wouldn't turn off, and two X5's with unreadable cluster displays.
Originally Posted by I Go To Costco
The 2007 G35 sedan looks nice but what is up with the coupe? Really like the current G Coupe but the pictures of the new coupe have outrageuos headlights and tails.
09-07-2006, 03:33 PM
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Nearly every single BMW owner I know has had various electrical problems. An older 318i with so many problems the dealer couldn't fix them, a late-90's 325i with a
09-08-2006, 03:33 PM
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And since when have Honda engines not been considered peaky?
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http://public.fotki.com/typeR/typer/dsc00033.html
09-08-2006, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Kennedy
Noone should pay MSRP either, that is, if you've ever bought a new car before.
If you're willing to come to an affluent area where the Acura dealers base the importance of sale on volume, you will easily score a deal... i.e Northern Virginia. You'll have to shop around... or you may have to special order it, but most dealer will deal for you.
You'll easily pay dealer invoice for a TL-S if you play your cards right. Given my 2006 TL was MSRP 35.5K and I paid $31.6, I'd expect a good negotiator to be able to aquire a new TL-S for around $35K + TTL, maybe even a little less if you want 6MT.
Needless to say the same will be true for buying a new Infiniti G35... so to be accurate, we're really comparing $35K cars together, not $40K cars.
If you're willing to come to an affluent area where the Acura dealers base the importance of sale on volume, you will easily score a deal... i.e Northern Virginia. You'll have to shop around... or you may have to special order it, but most dealer will deal for you.
You'll easily pay dealer invoice for a TL-S if you play your cards right. Given my 2006 TL was MSRP 35.5K and I paid $31.6, I'd expect a good negotiator to be able to aquire a new TL-S for around $35K + TTL, maybe even a little less if you want 6MT.
Needless to say the same will be true for buying a new Infiniti G35... so to be accurate, we're really comparing $35K cars together, not $40K cars.
09-08-2006, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by invincible569
If it gets any cheaper.. everyone will have one.
At the price if you're a 3G TL-S owner you'll still be one of tens of thousands.
09-08-2006, 09:17 PM
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if a porsche is still porsche when thousands are out there on the road does it make your Tl less a car when there are thousands out there? Does every sale of a TL make your car slower or less enjoyable to drive?
Some may decide that the TL-S is worth $39k+, some may not. When I buy a replacement for my TL I might be one of them. I won't make my decision based upon how many other people have one, it will be purely upon the merits. Whether people feel the inprovements in the TL-S are worth the price...remains to be seen.
Some may decide that the TL-S is worth $39k+, some may not. When I buy a replacement for my TL I might be one of them. I won't make my decision based upon how many other people have one, it will be purely upon the merits. Whether people feel the inprovements in the TL-S are worth the price...remains to be seen.
09-08-2006, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by nhousepro
I hate to say it, but I think its alot of BS. No one is getting $5000 off of any TL. Whether you have a trade-in, buying a used 04-06TL, or paying cash. Show me your car with the VIN number and your contract at the same time. Alot of you claim that you get thousands off the sticker price...I dont hae...but I doubt it.
Now is a good time since '07 is coming in 2 mos. I used the "my buddies on Acurazine are paying $31.4k across the country and that's what I expect." You just have to play it right. I wrote it down on the paper w/ 4.9 @ 60 mos and said that's what it's going to take. Poor salesman didn't make a dime but I saved $80/mo.
09-08-2006, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by dmfgrf
You're right, I only got $4k off. Just bought (14 miles on ODO) an '06 WDP 6M w/ Nav from Priority in C'peake for $31,400 and they had to go find it! Two days later I see Radley in W'bridge has 4!
Now is a good time since '07 is coming in 2 mos. I used the "my buddies on Acurazine are paying $31.4k across the country and that's what I expect." You just have to play it right. I wrote it down on the paper w/ 4.9 @ 60 mos and said that's what it's going to take. Poor salesman didn't make a dime but I saved $80/mo.
Now is a good time since '07 is coming in 2 mos. I used the "my buddies on Acurazine are paying $31.4k across the country and that's what I expect." You just have to play it right. I wrote it down on the paper w/ 4.9 @ 60 mos and said that's what it's going to take. Poor salesman didn't make a dime but I saved $80/mo.
09-08-2006, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by dmfgrf
You're right, I only got $4k off. Just bought (14 miles on ODO) an '06 WDP 6M w/ Nav from Priority in C'peake for $31,400 and they had to go find it! Two days later I see Radley in W'bridge has 4!
Now is a good time since '07 is coming in 2 mos. I used the "my buddies on Acurazine are paying $31.4k across the country and that's what I expect." You just have to play it right. I wrote it down on the paper w/ 4.9 @ 60 mos and said that's what it's going to take. Poor salesman didn't make a dime but I saved $80/mo.
Now is a good time since '07 is coming in 2 mos. I used the "my buddies on Acurazine are paying $31.4k across the country and that's what I expect." You just have to play it right. I wrote it down on the paper w/ 4.9 @ 60 mos and said that's what it's going to take. Poor salesman didn't make a dime but I saved $80/mo.
09-08-2006, 10:48 PM
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Damn the 2007 G35 auto does ripping 0-60 time of 5.6 sec. I wonder what the 6 speed will do. Man can't wait to get that car.
Looks like Acura missed the boat on the TL again.
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...1/pageNumber=1
Looks like Acura missed the boat on the TL again.
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...1/pageNumber=1
09-08-2006, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Donte99TL
Damn the 2007 G35 auto does ripping 0-60 time of 5.6 sec. I wonder what the 6 speed will do. Man can't wait to get that car.
Looks like Acura missed the boat on the TL again.
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...1/pageNumber=1
Looks like Acura missed the boat on the TL again.
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...1/pageNumber=1
09-09-2006, 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by typeR
my acura 3.5 did estimated 5.0 0-60s and it was an auto...and yes on street tires toyo T1-S 235/45/17 ive done a few 1.9 60'
What do you mean by estimated? Did you use a G-tech? I am just guessing here but I still think the G35 will end up being faster than the TL Type S but I could be wrong.
I can't wait for a magazine to do a shoot out so we can see some numbers. If the Type S is faster than the G35 I will be very impressed.
09-09-2006, 02:40 AM
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Sorry but the 07 G35 is a shorter uglier M-Series, if I was given a G I would trade it in for something else. The Type-S is enough car for the money and has plenty of power for everyday driving.
09-09-2006, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by typeR
my acura 3.5 did estimated 5.0 0-60s and it was an auto...and yes on street tires toyo T1-S 235/45/17 ive done a few 1.9 60'
09-09-2006, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 03TL_S
so did you really have to basically rebuild your motor to put the RL 3.5 block on it, and did it really make that much of a difference, i had a type S, how in the world are you pulling those numbers, i would love to know...
09-09-2006, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by winstrolvtec
doesnt matter look at his track time 13.3@105-6, if you ask me its in the 4's
09-09-2006, 10:52 AM
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Its all power to weight. The 01 is SIGNIFICANTLY lighter than the TL so of course a 3.5 in the last gen would pull great numbers. By all indications, the new 350Z coming out with the 3.5VQHR is going to pull about a 13.3 with the added horsepower and comparable weight to the 01 TL.
The new G35 is going to be faster because its the same weight as the TL and has more horsepower. Its just strange that the TLS fully loaded is so expensive
The new G35 is going to be faster because its the same weight as the TL and has more horsepower. Its just strange that the TLS fully loaded is so expensive
09-09-2006, 01:43 PM
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The suspension mods over the weight anyday, they really help in that department. I dont think the Cl is that much lighter considering the added block weight, but he did save some with the manual though, maybe 100lbs lighter. A 6mt type s should put down the extra power to wash the weight difference, compared to the RL 3.5. It comes down to the traction level, which will be worse in the tl but trap speeds should be in line.
09-09-2006, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by typeR
it's just an oddessey short block
09-09-2006, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by winstrolvtec
The suspension mods over the weight anyday, they really help in that department. I dont think the Cl is that much lighter considering the added block weight, but he did save some with the manual though, maybe 100lbs lighter. A 6mt type s should put down the extra power to wash the weight difference, compared to the RL 3.5. It comes down to the traction level, which will be worse in the tl but trap speeds should be in line.
09-09-2006, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 03TL_S
so you had to find a wrecked oddessy, strip it and all the TL stuff bolted right back up, that is crazy.
09-10-2006, 03:50 AM
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Full exhaust, headers, intake and sticky tires and that car will be in the low 13’s. That is fast four a 4 door luxury car. There is no way the Type S is going to get close to that time.
And just think you don’t need to do any swapping of engine internals to go that fast. TypeR I know you car is fast but that is a lot of work to do what you did.
Man I can’t wait to get that car. It’s going to be so hard to hold off on buying the first year out. I want to wait for the second year model. Hopefully they will have most of the bugs worked out by then.
And just think you don’t need to do any swapping of engine internals to go that fast. TypeR I know you car is fast but that is a lot of work to do what you did.
Man I can’t wait to get that car. It’s going to be so hard to hold off on buying the first year out. I want to wait for the second year model. Hopefully they will have most of the bugs worked out by then.
09-10-2006, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Donte99TL
Full exhaust, headers, intake and sticky tires and that car will be in the low 13’s. That is fast four a 4 door luxury car. There is no way the Type S is going to get close to that time.
And just think you don’t need to do any swapping of engine internals to go that fast. .
And just think you don’t need to do any swapping of engine internals to go that fast. .
09-10-2006, 03:13 PM
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Many current manual TL's already do that with cold air intake, at most add exhaust. Donte look at typer's dyno, now the RL 3.5, (only auto) the same one the tl is getting, puts up the same #'s on the dyno, stock. The 6 speed type s will most likely put down somewhere in the 260 -270 range, that is the same range as the is350, the 07 g35 and a few shy of the bmw 335. The competitions extra 20 hp means nothing if it cant put it to the wheels. There is almost always more drivetrain loss in rwd then fwd. The cars in this class are all made to be as fast as all the rest, regardless of #'s. The g is a great car as are all the cars in this class but one being predominatly faster then the other will never be conclusive, its all driver at that point.
09-10-2006, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by typeR
the type S is already that fast...and the '07 TL can be made close to this w/o much at all eshift pro cats,remover lower resonator K&N drop in ,crank puleey and some light wheels and the 6mt will be right thereif not surpassing my times and the auto will likely be right behind me
I didn't see them. Who tested it? I want to see them What are people times running the eshift pro cats. I thought the only cars getting into the lows 13's were the F/I guys.
09-10-2006, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by winstrolvtec
Many current manual TL's already do that with cold air intake, at most add exhaust. Donte look at typer's dyno, now the RL 3.5, (only auto) the same one the tl is getting, puts up the same #'s on the dyno, stock. The 6 speed type s will most likely put down somewhere in the 260 -270 range, that is the same range as the is350, the 07 g35 and a few shy of the bmw 335. The competitions extra 20 hp means nothing if it cant put it to the wheels. There is almost always more drivetrain loss in rwd then fwd. The cars in this class are all made to be as fast as all the rest, regardless of #'s. The g is a great car as are all the cars in this class but one being predominatly faster then the other will never be conclusive, its all driver at that point.
09-10-2006, 11:37 PM
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13.7 is good. I think that's what the G35 will end up running once broken in. So I guess the Type S does have a chance.
Man can't wait for more literature to come out on both these cars. Car magazines are going to be having some fun this year with the shoot out.
I still think I am going to lean toward the G35 whern it comes to buy though. I just want to go back to rear wheel drive.
Man can't wait for more literature to come out on both these cars. Car magazines are going to be having some fun this year with the shoot out.
I still think I am going to lean toward the G35 whern it comes to buy though. I just want to go back to rear wheel drive.
09-10-2006, 11:50 PM
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Oh you forgot to mention that he has thermo spacers, pro-cats and comptech SS. It's just not a CAI and custom exhaust.
I think the pro-cats make biggest difference. Oh have the F/I guys dropped down into the 12 yet? What is the fastest time they have so far?
I think the pro-cats make biggest difference. Oh have the F/I guys dropped down into the 12 yet? What is the fastest time they have so far?
09-11-2006, 02:49 AM
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yeah you got me 13.7 w/cats, but 13.9 is a feasible task even when taking them out of the equation. I agree that they help, but the other mods dont do as much as even making 1 hp.
Last I heard was 13.1 but I really dont follow mods on the current tl now that the s is coming. I hear ya on the rwd though, the tl is very good, sporty just not "pure". Im curious how much it will be better from a dynamic standpoint. Autobytle said they would take it over the is and current g35, but not the bmw. We'll have to see.
Last I heard was 13.1 but I really dont follow mods on the current tl now that the s is coming. I hear ya on the rwd though, the tl is very good, sporty just not "pure". Im curious how much it will be better from a dynamic standpoint. Autobytle said they would take it over the is and current g35, but not the bmw. We'll have to see.