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Interior Controversy
I've heard so many say how much prettier the TL interior is in comparison to other cars. But, I say, what good is a pretty interior if it (even has the potential to) rattle, click and squeak. And, how-bout that ceiling that's falling down? It's like marrying a gorgeous blonde only to find out that she is such a terrible nag that you want to punch her in the mouth first thing in the morning and say; “that's for the rest of the day.” Personally, I would rather take the less then beautiful brunette that is dependable and knows how to take care of me (if you know what I mean).
So, what are all you 04-TL owners defending, anyway? If the interior build quality sucks (i.e. it has build/design problems) then it sucks. The sooner you admit it, the better for us all, especially potential buyers. And don't say that it’s all relative. How many of your previous cars had these problems? And how much did that car cost?
Now that I got your blood pressure up a few points, lets here from you guys that are not having interior build problems with this awesome ride!!!
X
So, what are all you 04-TL owners defending, anyway? If the interior build quality sucks (i.e. it has build/design problems) then it sucks. The sooner you admit it, the better for us all, especially potential buyers. And don't say that it’s all relative. How many of your previous cars had these problems? And how much did that car cost?
Now that I got your blood pressure up a few points, lets here from you guys that are not having interior build problems with this awesome ride!!!
X
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I, admittedly, have been whining and complaining about the tires for some time, but (and maybe I shouldn't even think this) I haven't had any trouble with the interior. I think it LOOKS head and shoulders above the competition and the quality, at least for me, has been outstanding. No interior problems or defects.
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Originally Posted by finishline
I, admittedly, have been whining and complaining about the tires for some time, but (and maybe I shouldn't even think this) I haven't had any trouble with the interior. I think it LOOKS head and shoulders above the competition and the quality, at least for me, has been outstanding. No interior problems or defects.
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Had my 04 since October 2003. Not one problem. Interior or otherwise.
BTW- also had a '99 3.2TL (first one off of the lot) and never had one problem (68k miles). It's why I bought another one.
BTW- also had a '99 3.2TL (first one off of the lot) and never had one problem (68k miles). It's why I bought another one.
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No creaks here - no rattles...kinda of an early build too. My headliner did sag a little - so I epoxy'd that and now my interior is A-OK! Some people on this forum sound like they got a car assembled after the Manufacturing Plant had Happy Hour or something - lot of inside noise(s)
Originally Posted by Racer-X
I've heard so many say how much prettier the TL interior is in comparison to other cars. But, I say, what good is a pretty interior if it (even has the potential to) rattle, click and squeak. And, how-bout that ceiling that's falling down? It's like marrying a gorgeous blonde only to find out that she is such a terrible nag that you want to punch her in the mouth first thing in the morning and say; “that's for the rest of the day.” Personally, I would rather take the less then beautiful brunette that is dependable and knows how to take care of me (if you know what I mean).
So, what are all you 04-TL owners defending, anyway? If the interior build quality sucks (i.e. it has build/design problems) then it sucks. The sooner you admit it, the better for us all, especially potential buyers. And don't say that it’s all relative. How many of your previous cars had these problems? And how much did that car cost?
Now that I got your blood pressure up a few points, lets here from you guys that are not having interior build problems with this awesome ride!!!
X
So, what are all you 04-TL owners defending, anyway? If the interior build quality sucks (i.e. it has build/design problems) then it sucks. The sooner you admit it, the better for us all, especially potential buyers. And don't say that it’s all relative. How many of your previous cars had these problems? And how much did that car cost?
Now that I got your blood pressure up a few points, lets here from you guys that are not having interior build problems with this awesome ride!!!
X
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No problems here. Headliner is up, rattles only occur when I put rattly stuff in the door compartments, seats have their memories intact.
There are two things going on here:
1. TL loyalists who were the very first to buy this brand new vehicle are experiencing early line production run quality issues. Happens with every new car made. Rattle here, rattle there. Not enough adhesive. Product development is an evolution, not a science. You were the first in your county to own the brand new 04 TL. That's the price you pay. Mine is 8 months old. No problems.
2. TL Performance Drivers pushing their cars to the limit, modding them with suspension kits, extra HP ducts, ground effects, spoilers, tires, blah, blah, and blah. They're driving 90 MPH in hard turns and are saddened that the car has 'tourque steer'. They're changing the tires and are shocked that the firmer ride is leading to bumps and rattles. They're going from 0-60 in 5.2 seconds between stop signs on Old Country Road. In essence, they're not typical TL drivers.
These forums are filled with early adopters whining about quality and youngsters gussying up their Accords into something they're not.
Of the 44,000 TL's made, what, 2,000 owners are in here and only a fraction of that amount are unhappy? Please. The TL's a great car when one looks at the realistic owner population, the correct age/demographic, no modding extremes, and knocks out the first few thousand that got the very first of a new product off the line.
BJ
There are two things going on here:
1. TL loyalists who were the very first to buy this brand new vehicle are experiencing early line production run quality issues. Happens with every new car made. Rattle here, rattle there. Not enough adhesive. Product development is an evolution, not a science. You were the first in your county to own the brand new 04 TL. That's the price you pay. Mine is 8 months old. No problems.
2. TL Performance Drivers pushing their cars to the limit, modding them with suspension kits, extra HP ducts, ground effects, spoilers, tires, blah, blah, and blah. They're driving 90 MPH in hard turns and are saddened that the car has 'tourque steer'. They're changing the tires and are shocked that the firmer ride is leading to bumps and rattles. They're going from 0-60 in 5.2 seconds between stop signs on Old Country Road. In essence, they're not typical TL drivers.
These forums are filled with early adopters whining about quality and youngsters gussying up their Accords into something they're not.
Of the 44,000 TL's made, what, 2,000 owners are in here and only a fraction of that amount are unhappy? Please. The TL's a great car when one looks at the realistic owner population, the correct age/demographic, no modding extremes, and knocks out the first few thousand that got the very first of a new product off the line.
BJ
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BJ - that was one of your better posts. Is that really you?
Originally Posted by boltjames
No problems here. Headliner is up, rattles only occur when I put rattly stuff in the door compartments, seats have their memories intact.
There are two things going on here:
1. TL loyalists who were the very first to buy this brand new vehicle are experiencing early line production run quality issues. Happens with every new car made. Rattle here, rattle there. Not enough adhesive. Product development is an evolution, not a science. You were the first in your county to own the brand new 04 TL. That's the price you pay. Mine is 8 months old. No problems.
2. TL Performance Drivers pushing their cars to the limit, modding them with suspension kits, extra HP ducts, ground effects, spoilers, tires, blah, blah, and blah. They're driving 90 MPH in hard turns and are saddened that the car has 'tourque steer'. They're changing the tires and are shocked that the firmer ride is leading to bumps and rattles. They're going from 0-60 in 5.2 seconds between stop signs on Old Country Road. In essence, they're not typical TL drivers.
These forums are filled with early adopters whining about quality and youngsters gussying up their Accords into something they're not.
Of the 44,000 TL's made, what, 2,000 owners are in here and only a fraction of that amount are unhappy? Please. The TL's a great car when one looks at the realistic owner population, the correct age/demographic, no modding extremes, and knocks out the first few thousand that got the very first of a new product off the line.
BJ
There are two things going on here:
1. TL loyalists who were the very first to buy this brand new vehicle are experiencing early line production run quality issues. Happens with every new car made. Rattle here, rattle there. Not enough adhesive. Product development is an evolution, not a science. You were the first in your county to own the brand new 04 TL. That's the price you pay. Mine is 8 months old. No problems.
2. TL Performance Drivers pushing their cars to the limit, modding them with suspension kits, extra HP ducts, ground effects, spoilers, tires, blah, blah, and blah. They're driving 90 MPH in hard turns and are saddened that the car has 'tourque steer'. They're changing the tires and are shocked that the firmer ride is leading to bumps and rattles. They're going from 0-60 in 5.2 seconds between stop signs on Old Country Road. In essence, they're not typical TL drivers.
These forums are filled with early adopters whining about quality and youngsters gussying up their Accords into something they're not.
Of the 44,000 TL's made, what, 2,000 owners are in here and only a fraction of that amount are unhappy? Please. The TL's a great car when one looks at the realistic owner population, the correct age/demographic, no modding extremes, and knocks out the first few thousand that got the very first of a new product off the line.
BJ
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i have a MB clk 430 and it rattles like you wouldnt believe, Costs 25 k more. Mercedes stated that it is operating as designed.
cant wait for mY tl... i want to compare a 35k rattle to a 60k ratttle and see if there is a difference
cant wait for mY tl... i want to compare a 35k rattle to a 60k ratttle and see if there is a difference
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Originally Posted by Racer-X
I've heard so many say how much prettier the TL interior is in comparison to other cars. But, I say, what good is a pretty interior if it (even has the potential to) rattle, click and squeak. And, how-bout that ceiling that's falling down? It's like marrying a gorgeous blonde only to find out that she is such a terrible nag that you want to punch her in the mouth first thing in the morning and say; “that's for the rest of the day.” Personally, I would rather take the less then beautiful brunette that is dependable and knows how to take care of me (if you know what I mean).
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I'm at about 2.5k miles....VIN is 29XXX. My interior is solid and silent........on top of looking absolutely great. And just to throw in my .02....I'd prefer a redhead!
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Originally Posted by Racer-X
It's like marrying a gorgeous blonde only to find out that she is such a terrible nag that you want to punch her in the mouth first thing in the morning and say; “that's for the rest of the day.” Personally, I would rather take the less then beautiful brunette that is dependable and knows how to take care of me (if you know what I mean).
build problems with this awesome ride!!!
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build problems with this awesome ride!!!
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Originally Posted by ROBK
i have a MB clk 430 and it rattles like you wouldnt believe, Costs 25 k more. Mercedes stated that it is operating as designed.
cant wait for mY tl... i want to compare a 35k rattle to a 60k ratttle and see if there is a difference
cant wait for mY tl... i want to compare a 35k rattle to a 60k ratttle and see if there is a difference
You got a lemon. I have a 2003 CLK430 convertible and not one rattle.
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Originally Posted by Racer-X
So, what are all you 04-TL owners defending, anyway? If the interior build quality sucks (i.e. it has build/design problems) then it sucks. The sooner you admit it, the better for us all, especially potential buyers. And don't say that it’s all relative. How many of your previous cars had these problems? And how much did that car cost?
Now that I got your blood pressure up a few points, lets here from you guys that are not having interior build problems with this awesome ride!!!
Now that I got your blood pressure up a few points, lets here from you guys that are not having interior build problems with this awesome ride!!!
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As a follow-up, in responding, please indicate the age of your car so we can all better gauge. Thanks.
Also, kudos for the completely mature and intelligent response from boltjames. This type of response is a good reflection on 04-TL owners.
X
Also, kudos for the completely mature and intelligent response from boltjames. This type of response is a good reflection on 04-TL owners.
X
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[QUOTE=Racer-X]As a follow-up, in responding, please indicate the age of your car so we can all better gauge. Thanks.
Picked mine up on Feb. 27, '04. VIN is 29XXX.
Picked mine up on Feb. 27, '04. VIN is 29XXX.
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Remember that the complaints speak louder than the praises. No one makes a thread called "I don't have rattles!" everytime they get into their car and its fine. People make threads when they have a problem, not everytime they enjoy their car.
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Originally Posted by Racer-X
I've heard so many say how much prettier the TL interior is in comparison to other cars. But, I say, what good is a pretty interior if it (even has the potential to) rattle, click and squeak. And, how-bout that ceiling that's falling down? It's like marrying a gorgeous blonde only to find out that she is such a terrible nag that you want to punch her in the mouth first thing in the morning and say; “that's for the rest of the day.” Personally, I would rather take the less then beautiful brunette that is dependable and knows how to take care of me (if you know what I mean).
So, what are all you 04-TL owners defending, anyway? If the interior build quality sucks (i.e. it has build/design problems) then it sucks. The sooner you admit it, the better for us all, especially potential buyers. And don't say that it’s all relative. How many of your previous cars had these problems? And how much did that car cost?
Now that I got your blood pressure up a few points, lets here from you guys that are not having interior build problems with this awesome ride!!!
X
So, what are all you 04-TL owners defending, anyway? If the interior build quality sucks (i.e. it has build/design problems) then it sucks. The sooner you admit it, the better for us all, especially potential buyers. And don't say that it’s all relative. How many of your previous cars had these problems? And how much did that car cost?
Now that I got your blood pressure up a few points, lets here from you guys that are not having interior build problems with this awesome ride!!!
X
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Originally Posted by Norse396
Agreed, 100%, well said, regarding your entire post....
Only 4,398 more to go to become statistically significant. Better form "Team Grumpthracite" asap. Keep up the good work boys!
BJ
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Well that makes 2 out of 44,000 drivers that are ready to give up on their TL's.
Only 4,398 more to go to become statistically significant. Better form "Team Grumpthracite" asap. Keep up the good work boys!
Acura built my car as if they were all on break from the quality control department. This doesn't matter to you, which is insignificant to me and every other person who has to deal with a poorly built TL.
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Originally Posted by Norse396
Somehow I doubt the number is just 2, and to be honest I don't give a rats arse what the other 43,998 think. What matters to me is what I'm dealing with and what other people that got screwed are dealing with. This doesn't matter to you, which is insignificant to me and every other person who has to deal with a poorly built TL.
You spent $35,000 and you're unhappy? Get your ass back to the dealer and shut the fu*k up on these message boards. Your whining is giving us a headache .
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Originally Posted by TBone2004
BJ - that was one of your better posts. Is that really you?
Racer-X, these are the stereotypical comments that tend to generalize the forum (and TLs). Some 'squeaky wheels' painted TL’s interior as being all aesthetic and lacking quality. This is non-sense and that’s what you get for being biased towards few complainers, err, whiners. I bought my TL in late Dec and have not had any problems except for the headlining that came loose (repaired with epoxy by the Dealership). No rattle, click or squeaks. I do tend to drive my TL aggressively, but don’t overly hotrod the car and basically treat it for what it is – sedan. As for the complainers, I can’t speak for them, but I’m going to go out on the limb to say that most are probably just exaggerating. Look at most of the threads on this site and you’ll see more compliments than few repeat bitch sessions.
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I believe the parchment interior w/wood grain trim is definitely one of the most attractive interiors in this class.
I have an early (Nov) build car and had two problems with interior noises, one hard to diagnose but easy to cure with a piece of friction tape once my daughter pinpointed the source, the second perfectly obvious (headliner rubbing on metal roof panel) and well documented, and relatively easy to fix myself.
Now, nada, complete silence--even over train tracks I cross at 35-40 mph every day.
Also, based on the number of folks reporting no interior / headliner noises whatsoever (50% in recent poll), I have to believe that a running change was made some time ago, which has eliminated that problem.
Thus I wouldn't be put off by the gripes of some owners, I still think on balance there's nothing close to the TL in the near luxury/sports sedan class, particularly if like me you live in snow country, and want fwd.
I have an early (Nov) build car and had two problems with interior noises, one hard to diagnose but easy to cure with a piece of friction tape once my daughter pinpointed the source, the second perfectly obvious (headliner rubbing on metal roof panel) and well documented, and relatively easy to fix myself.
Now, nada, complete silence--even over train tracks I cross at 35-40 mph every day.
Also, based on the number of folks reporting no interior / headliner noises whatsoever (50% in recent poll), I have to believe that a running change was made some time ago, which has eliminated that problem.
Thus I wouldn't be put off by the gripes of some owners, I still think on balance there's nothing close to the TL in the near luxury/sports sedan class, particularly if like me you live in snow country, and want fwd.
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picked mine up 2/20/04 - ssm 5 at - not a rattle, seats work, it all works. what worries me is when my lease is up and i can afford to spend $50-60k on a car, i know i won't get one with an interior as good as the TL (unless i stick with the TL) . only complaint is torques steer when you stomp on and it seems like the computer in charge of the tranny loves 5th gear much more than 4th gear.
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i had a 1999 ML320 and it was the worse thing you could possibly own, poor interior quality, rattles everywhere, parts falling out, you name it, this car does it, except run right
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If I had a car that was clearly a lemon I would bring it back to the dealer who would replace it with a new one
and then I'd be happy and I wouldn't come into a TL fan forum spreading ill-will towards the car I embraced a few months earlier.
You spent $35,000 and you're unhappy?
Get your ass back to the dealer
and shut the fu*k up on these message boards.
Your whining is giving us a headache .
People like you think people should be happy with their car no matter what, screw you and every troll like you. I spent 33k and DEMAND at least what people normally get from 20k cars. This TL has not lived up to the hype and I don't give a damn if yours has, mine hasn't and I can be as vocal about it as I choose to be, you're free to put me and everybody else who has problems on ignore so you can see nothing but happy posts. Or you could add to the discourse and discuss what people bring up instead of being a sanctimonious prick most of the time.
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I believe the parchment interior w/wood grain trim is definitely one of the most attractive interiors in this class.
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I understand your frustrations but do you really talk like this or are you trying to prove you can talk like a 15 year old? Sheesh, get a grip. If you are truley as miserable as you sound like you are you have worse issues...
Do I have worse issues, sure, tell me that I'm not allowed to be pissed off or allowed to vent because my TL is a falling apart pile of steaming dung and I'll go off again, guess I have issues being human and wanting what I bought to be as advertised.
I'm sure after several visits to fix the same issues over and over and over and over again make your temperment very level and cool, good for you.
If you have no issues with how BJ posted then there is something wrong with you as well..... but then, who cares what others think, right?
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Originally Posted by Norse396
I responded in a way he could understand since he posted to me that way.
Do I have worse issues, sure, tell me that I'm not allowed to be pissed off or allowed to vent because my TL is a falling apart pile of steaming dung and I'll go off again, guess I have issues being human and wanting what I bought to be as advertised.
Do I have worse issues, sure, tell me that I'm not allowed to be pissed off or allowed to vent because my TL is a falling apart pile of steaming dung and I'll go off again, guess I have issues being human and wanting what I bought to be as advertised.
You say the car sucks, I say the car rocks.
You bitch that the car is defective, I say the car is perfect.
What are you hoping to prove? What is your aim? To disuade people from buying the car? To get 'revenge' against Acura? To warn the innocent about the evil TL? Every time there's a post entitled "My TL Has _______ Wrong With It and I'm Really Unhappy Because ______" there's Mr. Norse with his "bwahh I hate Acuraaaah wahhh wahhh" spooge.
Enough already. Get rid of the car. 22 months? Be as aggressive with your words at your local Acura dealer as you are in here and you'll be in your dream G35 by June 1st.
Enjoy the 99% of your car that's acceptable instead of the endless complaining about the 1% that isn't. Or, march your ass to the Acura dealer and force them to do the right thing. Take action or be quiet. Then again, you must enjoy this type of bitch-slapping. You let Acura do it to you; why not me too?
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It takes anyone 2 minutes in this forum to see quality is lacking (again).
Forget this??? http://www.acura-tl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73969
Forget this??? http://www.acura-tl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73969
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I am your antidote. I am the anti-Norse.
You say the car sucks, I say the car rocks.
You bitch that the car is defective, I say the car is perfect.
What are you hoping to prove? What is your aim?
To disuade people from buying the car?
To get 'revenge' against Acura?
To warn the innocent about the evil TL? Every time there's a post entitled "My TL Has _______ Wrong With It and I'm Really Unhappy Because ______" there's Mr. Norse with his "bwahh I hate Acuraaaah wahhh wahhh" spooge.
Enough already.
Get rid of the car. 22 months? Be as aggressive with your words at your local Acura dealer as you are in here
and you'll be in your dream G35 by June 1st.
Enjoy the 99% of your car that's acceptable instead of the endless complaining about the 1% that isn't.
Or, march your ass to the Acura dealer and force them to do the right thing.
Take action or be quiet.
Then again, you must enjoy this type of bitch-slapping. You let Acura do it to you; why not me too?
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It takes anyone 2 minutes in this forum to see quality is lacking (again).
Forget this??? http://www.acura-tl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73969
Forget this??? http://www.acura-tl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73969
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Guys, I am new to the forum and this is my first post, so please allow to run my mouth as a newbie. I joined the forum just a couple of weeks ago as I am getting ready to purchase a new car. I have been dead set on a TL since I started shopping, but you should always do your homework...so I have been reading up on you guys.
When I read this post, I got a little upset. There have been some very harsh comments made in this post that both disturbed me and trouble me as I am a serious Honda/Acura fan. I was disturbed because I was beginning to think that the 04 TL might not be a good car. I was troubled because I know that Honda/Acura is capable of more that what I was reading.
I will admit that at first, I was a little overwhelmed with the number of problems that I was reading about here on the forum about the 04 TL. After spending several days depressed about what I had read, I started looking a little more in depth. Often times I kept reading about the same problem over and over...so I started to pay attention to the posts...often times the same people were posting the same problems again and again. Furthermore, you can often sense some other brand loyalty in these hateful posts. Don't get we wrong, I am all about brand loyaltly, but not when it is used to trash something else.
I have come to the conclusion that the 04 TL is a GREAT car. It may not appeal to everyone in the same way, but that is NOT grounds to trash the qaulity of a single car or an entire manufacturer. Sure the 04 TL has some problems...most minor, a few major but many posts also indicate dealers that are willing to help.
I will say this...I am currently driving a Honda Accord with 220,000 miles on it and it just developed its first rattle about a month ago...this is what finally convinced me to look for a new car. This Accord is my 3rd Honda and I have also owned 2 Acuras. Keep your fingers crossed and in about a month, I will have a new TL and you guys will here from me some more.
Sorry for the length...just thought it needed to be said.
When I read this post, I got a little upset. There have been some very harsh comments made in this post that both disturbed me and trouble me as I am a serious Honda/Acura fan. I was disturbed because I was beginning to think that the 04 TL might not be a good car. I was troubled because I know that Honda/Acura is capable of more that what I was reading.
I will admit that at first, I was a little overwhelmed with the number of problems that I was reading about here on the forum about the 04 TL. After spending several days depressed about what I had read, I started looking a little more in depth. Often times I kept reading about the same problem over and over...so I started to pay attention to the posts...often times the same people were posting the same problems again and again. Furthermore, you can often sense some other brand loyalty in these hateful posts. Don't get we wrong, I am all about brand loyaltly, but not when it is used to trash something else.
I have come to the conclusion that the 04 TL is a GREAT car. It may not appeal to everyone in the same way, but that is NOT grounds to trash the qaulity of a single car or an entire manufacturer. Sure the 04 TL has some problems...most minor, a few major but many posts also indicate dealers that are willing to help.
I will say this...I am currently driving a Honda Accord with 220,000 miles on it and it just developed its first rattle about a month ago...this is what finally convinced me to look for a new car. This Accord is my 3rd Honda and I have also owned 2 Acuras. Keep your fingers crossed and in about a month, I will have a new TL and you guys will here from me some more.
Sorry for the length...just thought it needed to be said.