DARK6mt

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I won't call it BS for "now"

how about some timeslips to back up your statements???

if you are as smart as you think.......you should have known that is a hard "fact" to digest.

timeslips please.......

RhodeRunner

There is a big difference between 14.82 and high 13's. Having followed the G35 threads for a year or so, I can tell you that I never saw one person hit high 13's on a bone stock G35S. I saw some nice low 14's.

VQ35DE

My take: it's a well 'accepted' fact that the Y2k/2k1 Maxima 5sp is roughly as quick as the 2k2/3 Maxima auto. (Some even claim that its as quick as the 6MT 5G Max; a claim that I dont buy.) As I have a 2k2 Maxima auto and ran a best time of 14.725 second (see sig) with consistent runs between 14.8-14.9 seconds, I totally believe Silver's statement about his 01 Maxima.

As far as the G35C, it's also well know that the G35C 6MT is as quick as the 350Z 6MT out the box in stock form. (approx 14 flat - 14.2 sec) Broken in stock Z cars are running bet. 13.7-14 flat @ the track so, all things being consistent the G35C 6MT should do likewise.

$.02

RhodeRunner

He has a BS, not a coupe.

Spud_RENAMED

Guys, if I'd wanted a fast 1/4 miler I would have bought a different car. The TL for me is more about lux features and quality with a sporting edge. If I want real speed I'll take out my bike and rip off high 10's ..... :smokin:

Norse396

Performance wise I'll take the stick, I can shift faster than a stock TL any day of the week, this isn't why people prefer AT. Bracket racers like AT because it makes the car more consistent, in fact in bracket racing performance doesn't matter as much as consitency does.

The 5AT has been shown to run 14.6@96 in many places, this is a few tenths off the stick and I'd be hard pressed to believe the stick would destroy the AT, beat it yes, big difference. The only car I've ever seen with a huge difference between stick and auto is the Mustang, that AT slush box was worthless, the AT in the TL isn't, the gearing is higher than the stick but a lot of stick guys smoke the tires when racing which helps even the odds.

I'm sick of hearing that the 5AT is slow, I'd like to hear from other guys with the 5AT and find out what their times were, if the average is 15.3 then screw it, the 5AT TL isn't any faster than older generation TL's running less horsepower and yet another reason to regret the purchase. So much for online research also since every web site I've read on the 5AT that performed track tests show it easily to be a mid 14 second car.

Don't mind me though, I'm having a very shitty day...

parkkuen

Again... best part of driving stick is the ability to control RPM... that's all I am saying..

flnsx

Hey all!


There were bracket races today so I went ahead and entered.

My car now has a bit over 1k miles since I drove over 200 miles showing homes yesterday.

It's strange because my best run of the day was 14.83 at 95.8MPH!!

I truly think it was my 60 foot times that were hurting me and bogging the car down. I must have had really bad traction the other night.

My best 60 foot was 2.21

If anyone in south Florida wants to join me at the strip either Wednesdays or Fridays send me a PM.

I have not had my first service yet. It say's 90% oil life left.

I'm MUCH happier about this now.

See ya

P.S. My NSX Ran a 12.9 at 108 today too so indead it WAS a good day in South Florida!

Norse396

GM was pretty good at making their AT cars as quick as the MT cars as well.

Look at the year, 1972 , my 1996 Mark VIII ran a tad faster stock and was a blast to drive. I regret trading that one.

I'm going to the track soon, I've been able to beat magazine times for every car I've ever owned so if I run 15.3 I'm going to be very pissed.

The flip side is 15.3 is fine for a car of this class since I didn't buy it for drag racing in the first place. It's magazines and web sites that claim much faster times which makes me want mine as fast as theirs is stock. Otherwise I feel like Acura didn't just screw me quality control wise but also performance wise.

Zeuser

Once you get off the "break-in oil" you should see an improvement. My friend shaved .5 secs off after his first oil change in his '00 Civic SiR (Si in the U.S.). Trust me on this: The first oil change will allow the engine to run a lot better.

Norse396

Shift points?

SilverBulletCLS

Backup which time? So I know which one to put online tonight.

SilverBulletCLS

If you read I did a 14.82 in my Maxima. I did 14.32 in my G35 with all my work tools, spare, everything in the car with 1500 miles. The car has loosened up a great deal since then, I now have 5k, and at 10k, I will run again, maybe a little before who knows. But I know for a fact I can hit 13.9. I just kept bogging off the line at the track causing me to get 14.3s...

Well, I was one of the top 3 bone stock Maximas on the club back in 2001 that was able to hit 14s with my generation. So I must be just a good driver.

zeezz

silverbullet, do you have an auto or manual G35 Sedan?

kilrb

According to Acura, it was broken in about 200 miles ago. I figure Acura knows something about break-in, so I trust them when they set the limits at 600 miles.

kilrb

Where exactly in the manual is there an rpm limit? Did you get a special edition owner's manual? Read it; it says 600 miles, and mentions no rpm limits. It refers to "full throttle starts", "hard breaking"(for the first 300 miles), and "excessive acceleration". That's for the first 600 miles. I don't get where people come up with rpm limits...

SilverBulletCLS

04 G35 Sedan, 6MT, Premium, Sport

Weighed in at 3385 last time at the track.

SilverBulletCLS

Well I know on my previous CL-S, I didn't notice it fully break in till around 5k or so.

RhodeRunner

It might get better, it also could get worse. I don't see how you could cut 0.32 from your time by reducing the curb weight by 100 lbs and "breaking in" your engine.

DARK6mt

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the times you posted here of course

SilverBulletCLS

Those 2 items, and lowering my 60 ft by .2 will do it. Also by prepping the car which I did not do also.

SilverBulletCLS

My Maxima one might take me a while to find, but I will look for it. The G35 I have it in the car and will take a pic of it tonight.

fla-tls

About your 60ft times, yeah those were very bad. I'm sure it hurt your 1/4 miles times quite a bit.

Here's a tip from a semi-pro guy I talked to at the track. If you can, you want to be one of the first to drive after the pro mod guys. They lay a lot of fresh rubber down and tend to get rid of the crap the regular street tires bring in. As the street cars go, they progressively lay more dirt down that they brought to the track in their treads (even the stuff they pick up while driving back from the end of the track).

TL_6SPD

I see we are at it again.

SilverBulletCLS

Here is the slip. Right side. I was wrong about the 60ft on this slip, it was a 2.1xxx. It could still be better and my reaction definitely could be as well. The Maxima slip I can't find anywhere. I even took a picture of it a long time ago when i posted it on maxima.org. If anyone has search rights you will find the post on maxima.org back around 2001 or 2002 with me running that time.

DARK6mt

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was that the best time you had so far?

SilverBulletCLS

First time out in the car, was just there with friends and I didn't want to run it, but they got on my case so I was like okay. Thats why the car wasn't even prepped or anything. I ran with my work tools all in the trunk which weigh around 100 lb themselves. LOL. Can't wait to go again though.

Joe5.0

Silver you're gonna need damn close to 100mph to run 13's, so good luck. I wouldnt expect too much better than a 2.12 60' on street tires, unless the track is prepped like crazy. Good luck though, those are very nice times regardless.

And to get back on topic, why is it so hard to believe that you ran a best of 15.3? Your 60' is pretty bad. Get it down to a more respectable 2.30-2.25 and you wiill be in the normal 14.8-15.0 range. With some more miles your mph should increase, and go back to the track on a nice cool afternoon in the fall. Heat & humidity will kill your et's & trap speeds.

Here's a quick little story on my CL-S6. 1800 miles on it, bone stock. Still had the original oil in it. Couldnt get the stock tires to hook up good at all, ran a bunch of high 2.38 60's and lots of wheelhop. Best pass was 14.8 @ 96.5 mph. Went back 4 months or so later when the car had about 5k miles on it. Pumped the rear tires to 45psi, gas light was on, put the fronts to 28psi and ran pretty consistent 14.5-14.6's @ 96.5-97mph. The big difference was that it was 65* and low humidity out, as opposed to 85* and humid during the first trip. I'll be shooting for something in the 14.2's with drag radials in the next month or so, no engine mods at all.

Remember to go with under a 1/4 of gas and ditch any extra weight. 3,700 lbs with driver is HEAVY, get that down closer to 3600 and that'll be worth a tenth in itself.

edit: Dammit I feel like a newb, thought this thread was found under search for new posts. :o :o :o :o :o

William_B

1SICKLEX

In a dragstip an auto is much easier to launch and drive, just brake torque and go. Many dragsters are autos.
I will say SilverBulletCLS knows his stuff and he is one of the few guys that goes to the track and dynos etc etc.

brahtw8

Guys, the automatics in purpose-built drag cars are much different than the automatics in a passenger car. You can't argue for the drag superiority of a passenger car automatic based on the fact that drag cars are primarily automatics.

As for Silver's quest to break into the 13s, if he is running 14.3 with a 2.1 60' he has his work cut out for him.

PeterUbers

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It's interesting.... previous gen. TL-S/CL-S would consistently seem to run in the high-14's stock .. often times w/ very few miles on the ODO...

I ran a 15.3 @ 90 mph stock in my Type S...

Dr.Murdock

my TL has around 740 miles on it. i have reved the engine a few times and what i noticed is that if u floor the car and push the gas pedal all the way to the bottom, it takes the car A LOT longer to hit vtech for some reason; it accelerates very slowly till about 50mph if u floor it, thne finally goes into vtech. the 0-60 speed when floored seemed very bad. i jsut came back from testing it again and found a "sweet spot" when vtech engages quicker and hits high rpms fast. I push the pedal down prob 3/4 or a bit less less of the way down , and the car took off really fast. i hit 80mph in just a matter of seconds. The vtech kicked in real fast, and even the non-vtech horsepower accelerated the car quickly and engaed into vtech mode.

I dont know if anyone realized that, but i did. Flooring the car makes it accelerate slower then usual, and takes vteck longer to kick in, meanwhile pushing the gas pedal ~3/4 of the way down allows fasrter acceleration and quicker entrance into vtech.

Tecworld

I think the car's electronic throttle control probably needs a little work for max acceleration tests and drag strip runs. It is definitely superior in normal driving though.

brahtw8

Hang up that cordless phone (www.vtech.com ), Doc, and lets get back to talking about Honda's Variable valve Timing and lift Electronic Control system, i.e. VTEC.

2K2SilverTL-S

That new time for you 04 TL auto of 14.83 is more respectable.......
These engines really have to get broken in before they show their potential.....its was the same way when I was breaking in the Type S.

Norse396

It's easier to run closer to your dial in cars that have an automatic, be it a power glide or an AOD Ford auto. I know guys who run close to their numbers with stick also, but the average Joe wouldn't.

If pure ET is what you're after then damn the torpedos and use stick...

TheOne305

i have 5AT and have 6800 miles and took it to the track on 7/30/04 in Wa. Pacific Raceway
the temp:72 degrees and humidity:70% and my average time was 15.7 at 90.xxmph.

Road Rage

Not these days - the 5 and 6 speed automatics have much better ratios than the 3-speeds of yesterday. Plus, having that 5th gear being very high allows for low pinion gear ratios, which further close the gap. Figure in the consistent runs and the speed of upshifts, and the gaops are much less than 1 second.
Like.

I also think hammering on the car at 1k is asking for trouble. I would only torque-brake (break -sic) for a few seconds, VSA off, and see hwo the car hooks up. Most of the best rins I have seen for the TL were done by leaving it in D and just flooring it.

I love the 6MT in my S2000, but this 5AT suits me for the purpose of commuting - plus the tq converter can take some abuse, and clutches often cannot.

pabound

Hey James - here's something to think about:
Try not to be dissappointed with "average" 1120 times in a slick luxury car...

Let your NSX do the racing.