zigger

Hey guys.. I am new to the forum. I drive a Volvo S60R and my partner just picked up a TL type S he swicthed from a 2003 M3 (needed 4 doors) so far he loves the car the paddle shifts are awesome. I would consider one of these when my lease is over I just love AWD anyways.. He wanted me to ask some question on the forum about some perf mods that are availabe for the 07 Type S also how much faster would u say the Type S is over the regular TL?
Thanks again

JOES05tl

welcome to the forums. What a nice friend you are, huh- I'd say its faster by a decent amount. When mine was stock, it was a lot slower- I think tlfourplay has a type-s with mods on it, search for threads by him. And definately buy a new tl-s

TL1999

Welcome.

I would wait for the 09 TL where it is new body change and rumor has it that it will have SH-AWD where this will probably suit you likely with your current VOLVO AWD and more HP.

As for TL-S now that you partner can put AEM Intake, UR Crank Pully to get more HP. There are other items you probably can put on that I probably do not know about it. Maybe people here can provide more info on it.

bigmoetl1

I am not sure the 6speed tl and the type s tl ran 0-60 in 5.7 seconds in road and track but I think the type-s rant the quarter in 14.2 versus the 6 speed tl at 14.5 so I say get a tl type s and add some mods to it should be pretty quick. A auto tl type-s does it in 5.9 0-60.

JetJock

Not worth the extra money to me.

SouthernBoy

Best time reported for a 3G TL, not an '07 TL-S was by Car and Driver for an '04 A-Spec, bone stock 6MT.

0-60 in 5.6 seconds
quarter mile in 14.3 seconds at 99 MPH

FriscoNick

That is fast!

bigmoetl1

works for me I guess if you know how to drive a base tl can be pretty quick.

007TL-S

not much faster, 200/300 of a sec. isn't dramatic !

TL1110

Well i have an 07 tl-s and when i took it in for some service they gave me a base 07. i felt quite a difference, now im not saying the kinda difference when you drive a chevy vet but my tl-s gets up there a lot better and more responsive than the base. Just to make it clear though the base model has plenty of power but i drive my S everyday and i felt the difference right away.

SouthernBoy

Two-thirds of a second is a HUGE difference in drag racing. Just huge.

SouthernBoy

It is decent, for sure. This road test appears in the May 2004 issue and is viewable online.

bigmoetl1

for the money i think it is pretty good. you can mod the car up for not much money also another benefit.

evantec

I wonder if you debadged them (and could take out the red-or-blue interior lighting), how many people can tell the difference. Not so much someone who drives a TL or TL-S regularly and knows every shift-point of their own car, but someone new to the model.

What I'm getting at is not the real performance difference but the psychology of it. So when someone expects a car will perform better they think it does. (Or the opposite -- they expect it to perform much better and are disappointed if it's only slightly better.)

brettallica

Good point. I bet that has a lot to do with it.

Hardtimes

i agree. got out of my 05tl navi got into 07 types and was in love just by starting the car(with a switch blade key). it is amazing what you can talk yourself into.

juruki

iTrader: (2)

Thats not right. The IS350 does 0-60 in 5.6. I dont think the regular TL can pull those numbers STOCK.

260 HP

iTrader: (3)

Acceleration times recorded in magazines will always differ from car to car (even of the same model), from driver to driver, from magazine to magazine, test venue to test venue. Some magazines correct for altitude and temperature, some don't. Some test locations are dry with new asphalt, while the others might have a thin layer of sand.

It's really difficult to compare acceleration times, performed by different people employing different method it's like comparing apples to oranges.

BTW, Road and Track recorded 0-60 time of 4.9 for an IS350. They don't correct for altitude and temperature.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...d/02073car.pdf

FriscoNick

Great link, thanks.

FriscoNick

These is going to be an upper limit to this hp race. Or is there?

SouthernBoy

I beg to differ, but it most certainly is correct. I have the issue and the road test is available on Car and Driver's website. While it is a superb time and hard to reach by most TL driver's, Car and Driver seems to have done it.


Here's the link. Enjoy.

http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...tl-a-spec.html

darksom1

Yeah, it isn't worth it to pay that much for a TL-S now! That's why in November I got a TL 6MT. The price-worthy ones will be out in 09-10 when they do the true upgrades. The 07 TL-S is too much like the 3G TL. Call it 3 1/2G! They just put the latest TL-S out there to appease those of you who kept getting dusted by G's and IS's! By the way, how is that working out?

I am saving what I don't pay Acura now for the big show in 2011 (when the new TL-S should be out and maybe in it's second year!

That's my story and I'm sticking to it!!

SouthernBoy

Yep, this is true (about the differing times from different magazines). Basically it boils down to a few factors.

Track and environment conditions (including weather, air pressure, and altitude), the car's condition, the knowledge and ability of the driver, and a darned good pass. All of these, and perhaps a few more, play into getting good E.T.'s and 0-60 times.

007TL-S

In drag racing of course it is, that's a no-brainer! !.......I never heard to TL's being the latest "DRAGSTER" carto hit the track! !

Zeuser

My '04 TL is going back in about a year. I've been looking at what else is out there. Seems the TL-S is pretty much an even match for the G35 RWD. And I test drove a BMW 335i, oh boy... now that's a fast 4 door!

Funny thing is: Because of the interest rates and residual values, the TL-S, G35 RWD and 335i (all cars are 4 doors) are about the same price /mnth. The IS350 is way more expensive than any of the others.

So far the 335i seems to be leading in handling/performance. The G35 in equipment.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention: They all are spec'd with Navis and 6M tranny. But the G35 and TL-S are fully loaded whereas the 335i only has the Navi + leather, missing lots of options.

And before you Americans start comparing prices, keep in mind this is in Canada where our pricing is really silly.

So I'd like to know just how well does the TL-S perform so I can compare against the others. None of the Acura dealers have a TL-S I can test drive, or they simply don't want to put any KMs on a hot selling model. Bastards!

calgary2800

I gotta test drive that 335i before I die, Just a few times and I can go in peace.

bigmoetl1

i just test drove an Lexus IS350 and I must admit that dam thing is fast.

TL1110

I test drove the new is350 today just to see what all the fuss was about, and i will admit its got some ballz and pretty nice handling but the more i sat in it and realized how tiny it was the more that i felt like it was a chick car. there is really no room in the back seats, the car might as well be a 2 door; and the driver seat felt way to narrow for me. If i wanted the IS fully loaded like my type s i would be paying nearly 50k. Im glad i went to test drive it, now i have it out of my system and know i got a great deal on my Type-S

bigmoetl1

you can say that again for what the type-s goes for loaded it is a steal

I1Money

Actually a similar-equipped IS350 is about 2-3 grand more than the TL-S, as the 50k fully loaded IS350 has a lot of features the TL does not even offer. Only the 335i cost almost 50k fully loaded similar to the Type-S and the IS350's equipment.

ChuckDu

Wow! What impresses me about the link is how competitive the TL-S is in the handling tests against two rear wheel drive cars. All three cars are reported to have "mild understeer" with the TL-S having the best lateral acceleration and it sits right in the middle of the slalom test. Hmmm, and the front wheel drive car has the best braking, too.

Inconceivable!

Snookynibbles

I drive an 06 TL AT w. AEM CAI

From the various blogs & sites I've trolled over the many moons, here's the range of 0-60 times being asserted for the various Gen 3 TLs...

04 - 06 TL AT = 6.4 ~ 6.6 sec.
04 - 06 TL MT = 5.9
04 - 06 TL MT w. A Spec Kit = 5.7

Now I'm guessing re the 07 TL Type S & COMPTECH supercharged versions...

07 TL S AT ~ 5.9 - 6.0
07 TL S MT ~ 5.5

Add in COMPTECH's supercharger delivering verified 288+ wheel hp (equivalent of 325 flywheel hp) for 04 TL AT (they claim 5 hp more for MT version) = 0-60 ~ low 5's.

Also, adding a CAI from AEM, plus COMPTECH's cat-back exhaust combined delivers another 28-30 flywheel hp (as verified by mfgr dynos), enabling any 04 - 07 TL AT to roughly accelerate on par with an 07 TL S AT model.

The TL's launch times will never be stellar due to its FWD design & the crummy tires the factory intalls. And of course, posted times will vary according to driver, road composition, weather, altitude, etc.

The 306 hp IS350 times seem to run in the low 5's ~ 5.3, I believe. Toyota's got a 6 speed tranny w. RWD in its favor. Having that extra gear makes a big difference when compared against a 5 speed TL. The IS350 will remain up in its power band more frequently than the TL.

JD TL-S

iTrader: (1)

I had a 2006 TL Auto. I tradded it in on a 2007 TL-S Auto. The 07 TL-S is quite a bit quicker. It has better torque and when it revs out is pretty crazy. The 06 TL with traction control off would usually be able to break the tires loose, but not all the time. The 07 TL-S with traction control off will spin the tires when ever you want. Not that you would want to do that.

I raced my nephew in his new 07 Civic Si, with the 07 TL-S traction control on, I beat him pretty good, but not what I expected. That little Si is quick. When I turned the traction control off, I beat his much better. It allowed the TL-S to rev out A.S.A.P.

JD TL-S

iTrader: (1)

I agree 100%. The TL-S is the biggest bang for the $$$. Lexus packages are overpriced! Why would anybody buy it NOT loaded. TOO expensive for me. At $50,000 I would buy a BMW 335i coupe, manual, loaded, sport pkg with those BEAUTIFUL 18" wheels. But even spending $36,200 on my 07 TL-S was my MAX.$$$. 84 month loan SUCKS! But I LOVE the car! Jeff D.

brettallica

Today, 9:26 AM
Snookynibbles
Registered User

Post #32

Join Date: Apr 2007
Age: 52
Posts: 1

Did you join just to post that... or do you just have some huge boner for Toyota/Lexus? Geez, man.

I think we all realize that a TL is a mid $30K sporty four-door sedan, and NOT a sports car. It will never truly compete with the likes of anything with legit power going to the rear wheels.

Modulus

I don't know what the standard TL scores on the road holding index, but the TL-S is at .91G. Forget about the unimportance of peak horsepower and torque comparisons long enough to accept that the 3.5L engine is just plain bigger than the 3.2L engine, thus more powerful at every point, in this case. The stiffer suspension, and available 6-Speed transmission, make the car more fun for me to drive than a standard TL would have been.

The truth is really that a car just gets us places. But this is America (for most of us), and it's our national right to waste our money on expensive vehicles that depreciate faster than nearly any other investment. Sure, one of those $8000 cars with a 10-year warranty, and free oil changes and free tires for life might be a more economical purchase, but we'd lose every aesthetic race.

The real reason that I'll always buy the Type-S, or LS 6-Speed, or GS-R, or Si, or whatever is as much for ease and value of resale as it is for the added entertainment of being able to attack the curves with the accelerator instead of the brakes, moving weight front or back as needed. The premium paid for the highest trim model always gets returned to me when I sell. Of course, that's just what I think. Most people seem to be happy riding in the driver's seat. I almost envy them.

JD TL-S

iTrader: (1)

Why do all that modification? Just buy a NEW 07 TL-S. Get better performance, looks, handling, and FACTORY warranty. Many nice new things on the 07 TL-S, NOT just power! I had a 06 TL which I loved until I saw and drove the new 07 TL-S that I NOW OWN. IF you want pure power, and RWD, go buy a used Corvette!

Wid-TL

'05 TL MT
I have it, I love it, best bang for the buck IMO. Not the fasted thing out there, but fast enough for me and very comfortable with all the fantastic features. The same can be said for the '07 Type S I'm sure, as it's that much better for slightly more money.

06' IS350
My friend has it, loves it, less features than my TL for the same price though, and A LOT smaller. The power is incredible though, and interior finish seems a step above Acura.

'07 335i
both my friend and I test drove it unsupervised. And we were both VERY impressed by the power - appears to pull A LOT stronger than the IS350 (this even coming from the IS350 owner). Still too small for my taste however, and as mentioned by others, comparable features price it really high. This is clearly a "drivers" machine...

RedHOT411

...
04 - 06 TL MT = 5.9
04 - 06 TL MT w. A Spec Kit = 5.7

How is that possible? If anything wouldn't the kit add more weight?

JD TL-S

iTrader: (1)

Exactly The A-Spec has NO engine mods And Would weigh more I guess its like Supermans cape