PeterUbers

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I'm interested myself, therefore I'm surveying the interest so far.

EZZ

Will the comptech supercharger fit on the new TL? The compression is insane on the new J series.

jimthegreek

no it wont fit the new car. Drive by wire and fitment.

PeterUbers

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Comptech is in the process of designing a 'charger for the new TL. I'm not talking about the s/c for the '02/03 Type S.

I thought more people were aware of this.

NOX 3.2

what's the difference between a SC and a Turbo unit?

I heard some turbo units can damage your engine... (some are wet, some dry)

ndabunka

What super charger? There's no real news of Comptech doing anything on the street. Tell us what you know.

caball88

supercharger uses your engine belts to power either a centrifugal or twin screw unit used to compress the air going into the engine. turbocharger uses your exhaust to power the turbine that compresses the air going into the engin. i am not aware of wet and dry forced induction systems. however nitrous oxide systems come in wet and dry systems.

PeterUbers

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Per my conversation w/ Nate from Comptech, they're designing a CT Supercharger that'll be about $4500.00 for the new TL (auto and 6-spd). This is old news actually.

mamorgan1

Okay, I'll bite...what is it going to do for my TL 6MT? Just curious.

EZZ

It will make you go faster than a g35 (j/k). I hope this version gives you a little more than the last iteration (only 45hp to the wheels) Some people with the CLS have done it and have had pretty good times on the 1/4th.

NLYTN

Bring it on ! I'm just concerned what it will really do for power ! It will probably be $4500-5000 , but will it be better and show better results than the previous one ?

mamorgan1

Alright, lets just asumme that I am not racing, what type of 0- 60 results an I going to get...and what is this going to do to my engine?

NOX 3.2

thanks for the info...
sorry, I think I got the turbo confused with the Nitrous Oxide system...

my fault, I'm still learning


Does the SuperCharger make you save or use more gas ?

Norse396

Hard to imagine pushing much PSI with the supercharger when the '04 TL has 11:1 compression, the blower would have to be pretty low output, not sure it would be worth the money.

caball88

the compression definitely has to be lower in order for a forced induction system to be effective on this car. supercharger and turbo chargers will make u use more gas. since the air is compressed there is alot more of it in the same amount of space in the engine. now more fuel will need to be added for the extra air, hence the extra power. depeneding on how much boost its running the power increase will vary.

Swat Dude

Cold air is also more dense and will have the same affect as far as allowing more fuel and air into the engine. Since I'm not really familiar with superchargers or turbochargers, can someone tell me what an intercooler is and how it works?

gbriank

http://www.howstuffworks.com/question122.htm

This site explains things a little better than I could...

Both methods increase power to the engine and both suffer lower fuel economy (more so on supercharged engines).

Dubya

I see a bigger problem here. How the hell are the front wheels going to be able to handle 30-50 more horsepower?

Then there's the voiding-the-warranty issue to consider - not insubstantial on a car of this caliber.

gbriank

Intercoolers
When air is compressed, it heats up; and when air heats up, it expands. So some of the pressure increase from a turbocharger is the result of heating the air before it goes into the engine. In order to increase the power of the engine, the goal is to get more air molecules into the cylinder, not necessarily more air pressure.

gbriank

An intercooler or charge air cooler is an additional component that looks something like a radiator, except air passes through the inside as well as the outside of the intercooler. The intake air passes through sealed passageways inside the cooler, while cooler air from outside is blown across fins by the engine cooling fan.

The intercooler further increases the power of the engine by cooling the pressurized air coming out of the compressor before it goes into the engine. This means that if the turbocharger is operating at a boost of 7 psi, the intercooled system will put in 7 psi of cooler air, which is denser and contains more air molecules than warmer air.

gbriank

my prior vehicle (SAAB 9-3 SE) was turbocharged and developed all of its power @2100 rpms. Lots of power with lots'o torque steer...

Swat Dude

Being that I'm a sales engineer in the HVAC business, I've been wondering why no one has ever put a small refrigerant coil in the air intake line and use the cars a/c system to cool the air down entering the engine. Of course, I've also wondered if the drag from the AC would offset the gain in having the cold air.

Donte99TL

Well the last review I read of the super charger on the CL said it didn’t help 0-60 times at all. They said it was too much power for the front wheel and all it did was chatter. They said it helped a lot when you where going faster. They said the roll ons where amazing.

PeterUbers

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Clearly, w/ FWD you won't be able to jump on the gas each time you wanna pull away from traffic.

However, that being said, as Donte mentioned, .. once you're rolling at 5-10mph, THEN you can jump on it and the nice 30lb-ft to 40lb-ft of CONSISTENT torque will just throw you to the back of your seat. It's the torque that makes the S/C a beautiful thing. The TL really lacks this ..

Most people aren't gunna appreciate the s/c for the 0-60 times... it'll be appreciated for it's passing power boost... your ability to throw yourself and your passengers back in their seats from a roll, etc.

Warranty issues: as w/ the current s/c for the Type S ... select dealers will choose to or choose against honoring the warranty. It'll be a dealer specific thing, so you must choose wisely.

chadr

Honestly with the 11:1 compression ratio forced induction is going to be an issue on this car and I doubt the cost per HP would be worthwhile. The best bang for the buck would be a dual stage 25/75 nitrous kit. In that situation you would be able to push either 25 or 75 addition hp to the car when you wanted the power and not burn additional fuel. etc in normal driving. I doubt I will do anything on that scale to this car but if I would going to drop 2k+ on mods it would likely be juice for drag racing.

theslik1

It's the compression that kills this car for forced induction. There just isn't much margin left at 11:1 to allow any significant gains. $4500 for 30-40 hp is not my idea of bang for the buck, and the additional strain on a high compression engine just isn't worth it.

Lower compression pistons would make a world of difference in this application.

pbm317_RENAMED

Actually, I believe Ford is working on a system using this kind of idea on their new Lightning pickup, used only in short power bursts (like stoplight races) to boost power almost like Nitrous. I'll try to find a specific article about it.

lindros2

Unless this thing also powers the rear wheels it's a waste.

-josh