To GM Synchromesh FM or not to GM Sychromesh FM...that is the question...
#41
Not a Blowhole
As a longtime proponent of GMS-FM, and having posted in detail on its componentry and performance, you know where I stand on this.
GMS-FM is amber. But it is possible that chemical agents, called tracers, might be added by Honda to identify their MTF.
However, as I have posted many times, I think the likelihood of their doing an analysis is so slight, as to be of no concern, certainly to me. I have a 5AT, but I use the GMS-FM in the S2000, and will continue to do so, even if it were to mean the tranny warranty were "voided". Missing a shift or having a crunch can do damage to the tranny and/or the engine, and when I am driving hard, the improvement in shift quality and precision is worth any risk.
BTW, I repeat again: a warranty can only be voided in writing - they may deny the repair, but cannot void the general new car warranty. I would just sue them in small claims court, and have myself declared as an "expert", since I have done so on behalf of others in oil-related lawsuits. BTW, we have never lost.
Amsoil's MTF claims to be equivalent to both Honda MTF AND GMS-FM, which I question since how can one fluid be equivalent to specifically formulated products like GMS-FM, which was designed for the NV 1500 transmission used in GM's light trucks? But I am sure it is a good product, but I want GREAT, not Good, or I would never have bothered with seeking an alternative to Honda MTF in the first place. Plus, with the Amsoil, the issue of tracers remains.
I could not find one case where someone on the S2000 board at S2KI.COM had any warranty trouble with using GMS-FM - and several of the techs at a Honda dealer uses and recommends it for his car.
Look, if you are a fraidy-cat, stick with the Honda junk, but replace it annually - it really loses its grade stability fast - often at <15k. Endless posts of "should or shouldn't I?" always end up in the same place: owner choice.
If you have to agonize over the decision, do not do it. If you are a true gearhead, show some balls. What seems inarguable is that GMS-FM offers a noticeable improvement in shift quality in both the 6MT and the Honda S2000.
Decide, act, and live with the consequences. And while I do not believe in defrauding, Honda's clearly selfish attitude (or is it the dealer's?) leads me to consider that if their precious tranny starts to fail within the 4Y/50K warranty period, I would likely want to flush out any wear metals in the case with a cheap fluid like, well....Honda MTF....before going to the dealer for an analysis.
GMS-FM is amber. But it is possible that chemical agents, called tracers, might be added by Honda to identify their MTF.
However, as I have posted many times, I think the likelihood of their doing an analysis is so slight, as to be of no concern, certainly to me. I have a 5AT, but I use the GMS-FM in the S2000, and will continue to do so, even if it were to mean the tranny warranty were "voided". Missing a shift or having a crunch can do damage to the tranny and/or the engine, and when I am driving hard, the improvement in shift quality and precision is worth any risk.
BTW, I repeat again: a warranty can only be voided in writing - they may deny the repair, but cannot void the general new car warranty. I would just sue them in small claims court, and have myself declared as an "expert", since I have done so on behalf of others in oil-related lawsuits. BTW, we have never lost.
Amsoil's MTF claims to be equivalent to both Honda MTF AND GMS-FM, which I question since how can one fluid be equivalent to specifically formulated products like GMS-FM, which was designed for the NV 1500 transmission used in GM's light trucks? But I am sure it is a good product, but I want GREAT, not Good, or I would never have bothered with seeking an alternative to Honda MTF in the first place. Plus, with the Amsoil, the issue of tracers remains.
I could not find one case where someone on the S2000 board at S2KI.COM had any warranty trouble with using GMS-FM - and several of the techs at a Honda dealer uses and recommends it for his car.
Look, if you are a fraidy-cat, stick with the Honda junk, but replace it annually - it really loses its grade stability fast - often at <15k. Endless posts of "should or shouldn't I?" always end up in the same place: owner choice.
If you have to agonize over the decision, do not do it. If you are a true gearhead, show some balls. What seems inarguable is that GMS-FM offers a noticeable improvement in shift quality in both the 6MT and the Honda S2000.
Decide, act, and live with the consequences. And while I do not believe in defrauding, Honda's clearly selfish attitude (or is it the dealer's?) leads me to consider that if their precious tranny starts to fail within the 4Y/50K warranty period, I would likely want to flush out any wear metals in the case with a cheap fluid like, well....Honda MTF....before going to the dealer for an analysis.
#43
Registered Member
Originally Posted by Road Rage
As a longtime proponent of GMS-FM, and having posted in detail on its componentry and performance, you know where I stand on this.
GMS-FM is amber. But it is possible that chemical agents, called tracers, might be added by Honda to identify their MTF.
However, as I have posted many times, I think the likelihood of their doing an analysis is so slight, as to be of no concern, certainly to me. I have a 5AT, but I use the GMS-FM in the S2000, and will continue to do so, even if it were to mean the tranny warranty were "voided". Missing a shift or having a crunch can do damage to the tranny and/or the engine, and when I am driving hard, the improvement in shift quality and precision is worth any risk.
BTW, I repeat again: a warranty can only be voided in writing - they may deny the repair, but cannot void the general new car warranty. I would just sue them in small claims court, and have myself declared as an "expert", since I have done so on behalf of others in oil-related lawsuits. BTW, we have never lost.
Amsoil's MTF claims to be equivalent to both Honda MTF AND GMS-FM, which I question since how can one fluid be equivalent to specifically formulated products like GMS-FM, which was designed for the NV 1500 transmission used in GM's light trucks? But I am sure it is a good product, but I want GREAT, not Good, or I would never have bothered with seeking an alternative to Honda MTF in the first place. Plus, with the Amsoil, the issue of tracers remains.
I could not find one case where someone on the S2000 board at S2KI.COM had any warranty trouble with using GMS-FM - and several of the techs at a Honda dealer uses and recommends it for his car.
Look, if you are a fraidy-cat, stick with the Honda junk, but replace it annually - it really loses its grade stability fast - often at <15k. Endless posts of "should or shouldn't I?" always end up in the same place: owner choice.
If you have to agonize over the decision, do not do it. If you are a true gearhead, show some balls. What seems inarguable is that GMS-FM offers a noticeable improvement in shift quality in both the 6MT and the Honda S2000.
Decide, act, and live with the consequences. And while I do not believe in defrauding, Honda's clearly selfish attitude (or is it the dealer's?) leads me to consider that if their precious tranny starts to fail within the 4Y/50K warranty period, I would likely want to flush out any wear metals in the case with a cheap fluid like, well....Honda MTF....before going to the dealer for an analysis.
GMS-FM is amber. But it is possible that chemical agents, called tracers, might be added by Honda to identify their MTF.
However, as I have posted many times, I think the likelihood of their doing an analysis is so slight, as to be of no concern, certainly to me. I have a 5AT, but I use the GMS-FM in the S2000, and will continue to do so, even if it were to mean the tranny warranty were "voided". Missing a shift or having a crunch can do damage to the tranny and/or the engine, and when I am driving hard, the improvement in shift quality and precision is worth any risk.
BTW, I repeat again: a warranty can only be voided in writing - they may deny the repair, but cannot void the general new car warranty. I would just sue them in small claims court, and have myself declared as an "expert", since I have done so on behalf of others in oil-related lawsuits. BTW, we have never lost.
Amsoil's MTF claims to be equivalent to both Honda MTF AND GMS-FM, which I question since how can one fluid be equivalent to specifically formulated products like GMS-FM, which was designed for the NV 1500 transmission used in GM's light trucks? But I am sure it is a good product, but I want GREAT, not Good, or I would never have bothered with seeking an alternative to Honda MTF in the first place. Plus, with the Amsoil, the issue of tracers remains.
I could not find one case where someone on the S2000 board at S2KI.COM had any warranty trouble with using GMS-FM - and several of the techs at a Honda dealer uses and recommends it for his car.
Look, if you are a fraidy-cat, stick with the Honda junk, but replace it annually - it really loses its grade stability fast - often at <15k. Endless posts of "should or shouldn't I?" always end up in the same place: owner choice.
If you have to agonize over the decision, do not do it. If you are a true gearhead, show some balls. What seems inarguable is that GMS-FM offers a noticeable improvement in shift quality in both the 6MT and the Honda S2000.
Decide, act, and live with the consequences. And while I do not believe in defrauding, Honda's clearly selfish attitude (or is it the dealer's?) leads me to consider that if their precious tranny starts to fail within the 4Y/50K warranty period, I would likely want to flush out any wear metals in the case with a cheap fluid like, well....Honda MTF....before going to the dealer for an analysis.
You know, there is very little to go wrong in a manual transmission.. you almost have to try to destroy them. There are no pumps or vanes or torque converters or wet disk clutch packs. They are really rather simple devices. Which is why they tend to last so long and work so well.
A high quality product is not going to hurt them. It would not be in Honda's best interests to have installed synchronizer cones or bearings or gears of such soft or weak metal that their sole hope for longevity lies with the fluid installed in the gearbox. At least, I would hope as much.
#45
Originally Posted by mickey3c
I find it amusing the people need a GM product to make the superior acura product perform better.
Who said its superior?
Its a tarted up honda accord.
The TL is not an expensive car.
I dont know what the s2000 costs, but many owners of those cars use the GM
stuff also.
I dont think there are any other full size luxury sedans with manual transmissions
other than maybe the bmw 5 series (do they come in a manual?) and I would bet
they use the GM stuff if they have a manual transmission.
OK, name a GM product for around the same price that has 270 hp, handles well,
has the features the TL has, has 4 doors, seats 4/5 in comfort, is not filled with cheap feeling/looking plastic parts, gets 32 mpg on the hiway or better and
has a quiet ride.
What GM product do you like better than the TL???
Does it have a manual transmission?
GM seems to have come up with a lube that does very well with the syncros, so
why not use it?
I bet ANY car with a manual trans works better with the GM mtffm.
Brett
#46
Racer
Originally Posted by Michael Wan
Let me lay out the facts on this "warranty business" from the way I understand it.
1) Honda cannot deny a warranty claim solely because of a different fluid used. The must prove that the fluid was the cause of the failure. Doing this requires analysis of the parts (there are 3rd party labs that specialize in this, determining what caused the failure to a certain part) and analysis of the fluid. BTW, even though using a different fluid cannot be the sole basis for denying a warranty, it isn't that difficult for them to figure out if Honda is secretly putting an easily detectable tagnant in the Honda MTF.
Mike
1) Honda cannot deny a warranty claim solely because of a different fluid used. The must prove that the fluid was the cause of the failure. Doing this requires analysis of the parts (there are 3rd party labs that specialize in this, determining what caused the failure to a certain part) and analysis of the fluid. BTW, even though using a different fluid cannot be the sole basis for denying a warranty, it isn't that difficult for them to figure out if Honda is secretly putting an easily detectable tagnant in the Honda MTF.
Mike
And, again, given all that, I wouldn't have any problem putting in a different transmission oil. The chance of a problem during the warranty period is small. Plus, even if there is a problem, the dealer will probably cover it under warranty anyway.
#47
3 rd gear problem
i have an 05 TL with 6MT (23k miles) and have had some trouble with third as well.
what has happened to me on an ever increasing basis is this...
i get about half way into third gear and it seems like i could force it in but i usually back out and then it will usually drop right in. it probably happens maybe 1 out of 10 times.
is this similar to problems anyone else has had? is it more of a consistent problem?
I do not think my problem is syncro related, seems mechanical in the linkage.
went to the dealer today, of course they acted as if they never heard of the problem and of course it did not do it when we went for a ride.
thanks!
mlpnya
what has happened to me on an ever increasing basis is this...
i get about half way into third gear and it seems like i could force it in but i usually back out and then it will usually drop right in. it probably happens maybe 1 out of 10 times.
is this similar to problems anyone else has had? is it more of a consistent problem?
I do not think my problem is syncro related, seems mechanical in the linkage.
went to the dealer today, of course they acted as if they never heard of the problem and of course it did not do it when we went for a ride.
thanks!
mlpnya
#48
The Creator
1900 miles on my 6MT and with the cold weather, it's nearly impossible to shift into 2nd or 3rd until it warms up. Noticable grinding into 2nd even with the pedal fully depressed.
Ordered a 6-pack of GMSFM today - Thanks Road Rage!
Ordered a 6-pack of GMSFM today - Thanks Road Rage!
#49
Senior Moderator
That ain't right!
Soopa.... one reason I ended up with a 5AT is that the 6MT I drove on a demo had a slight grind going into 2nd- even slow shifting.
The salesman was embarrassed and put the car right in the shop saying that it shouldn't do that.
I'm thinking it might be an adjustment or something. Have you brought it to their attention?
Of course, if you're like me, you probably hate to take your car into the service dept and turn it over to those clowns. I've had mine a year and a half and it has NEVER been back to the dealer since I took delivery. I service it myself.
Then, in your case, it's a long drive to the dealer where you got it.
The salesman was embarrassed and put the car right in the shop saying that it shouldn't do that.
I'm thinking it might be an adjustment or something. Have you brought it to their attention?
Of course, if you're like me, you probably hate to take your car into the service dept and turn it over to those clowns. I've had mine a year and a half and it has NEVER been back to the dealer since I took delivery. I service it myself.
Then, in your case, it's a long drive to the dealer where you got it.
#51
One size fits all...
Amsoil's MTF claims to be equivalent to both Honda MTF AND GMS-FM, which I question since how can one fluid be equivalent to specifically formulated products like GMS-FM, which was designed for the NV 1500 transmission used in GM's light trucks?
That one size fits all claim just doesn't wash with reality. Sure, their product may hit the centerline of specs for some applications, but it will also definitely end up at the fringe, either high or low, of being in spec for others.
I'm solidly with RR on this. I want the best fit for the application, not a close one.
#52
Instructor
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by mlpnya
i have an 05 TL with 6MT (23k miles) and have had some trouble with third as well.
what has happened to me on an ever increasing basis is this...
i get about half way into third gear and it seems like i could force it in but i usually back out and then it will usually drop right in. it probably happens maybe 1 out of 10 times.
is this similar to problems anyone else has had? is it more of a consistent problem?
I do not think my problem is syncro related, seems mechanical in the linkage.
went to the dealer today, of course they acted as if they never heard of the problem and of course it did not do it when we went for a ride.
thanks!
mlpnya
what has happened to me on an ever increasing basis is this...
i get about half way into third gear and it seems like i could force it in but i usually back out and then it will usually drop right in. it probably happens maybe 1 out of 10 times.
is this similar to problems anyone else has had? is it more of a consistent problem?
I do not think my problem is syncro related, seems mechanical in the linkage.
went to the dealer today, of course they acted as if they never heard of the problem and of course it did not do it when we went for a ride.
thanks!
mlpnya
#53
Not a Blowhole
Originally Posted by kosh2258
This is precisely why I've always been skeptical of AMSOIL claims to having a "universal" anything in their product line outside of the motor oil.
That one size fits all claim just doesn't wash with reality. Sure, their product may hit the centerline of specs for some applications, but it will also definitely end up at the fringe, either high or low, of being in spec for others.
I'm solidly with RR on this. I want the best fit for the application, not a close one.
That one size fits all claim just doesn't wash with reality. Sure, their product may hit the centerline of specs for some applications, but it will also definitely end up at the fringe, either high or low, of being in spec for others.
I'm solidly with RR on this. I want the best fit for the application, not a close one.
That said, I have to agree with your interpretation and understanding of my commnents about the "universal gearbox" fluid issue. Michael Wan and i have been around the block on this onew several times, so i would refer readers to those threads and the ideas exchanged, rather than an endless rehashing here. But note that GM has gone to the trouble of spec'ing very unique manual tranny fluids for very specific applications (GMS-FM for the NV1500, "Syncromesh" for the Getrags, Dex III for the TTC T-56's, and so forth). Logic suggests this was not done just to keep busy - after all, they are busy now trying to stay ahead of some sort of stock implosion, and a bankruptcy procedure.
MW keeps asking me to drain the GMS-FM out of "Khan"'s tranny (my S2000's name since its S/N is 1701), and while I am willing to accept that the Amsoil is a good product, I do not believe in the logic of change for change's sake, taking leaps of faith, and being the guinea pig for something that might compromise the great results I am getting with GMS-FM. Is that faulty reasoning, or am I getting fat and lazy in my dotage?
Why accept ground beef, when there are corn-fed T-Bones to be had?
#54
Not a Blowhole
Originally Posted by Hybrid
You may have missed the point of my post slightly. I agree that things CAN be proven if necessary, and I agree that the law says what you say, but the reality of it is that if the service dept. thinks there is something wrong (such as the wrong fluid), and they want to deny a warranty claim because of it, all they have to do in REALITY is tell the customer that the claim is denied and give them their car keys back. Maybe they just violated the law, but so what? It's now the customer's problem. The customer would then have to get a lawyer or go to small claims court. There, Honda just might win easily, if everyone agrees the "wrong" fluid was used, for example. Hey, the manual says to use the Honda stuff, and anything else just might cause damage. (The manual seems to imply that for most fluids). The car owner would really have to push things to win. I have never heard of a dealer having a lab do any sort of analysis or "proof" where they deny a warranty claim. Generally, it could be more expensive than the repair. (Of course, the mfgr. might have lots of analysis work done in cases where their are failures of parts in lots of cars, but this is a different issue).
And, again, given all that, I wouldn't have any problem putting in a different transmission oil. The chance of a problem during the warranty period is small. Plus, even if there is a problem, the dealer will probably cover it under warranty anyway.
And, again, given all that, I wouldn't have any problem putting in a different transmission oil. The chance of a problem during the warranty period is small. Plus, even if there is a problem, the dealer will probably cover it under warranty anyway.
RR.
#55
05 TL 3rd Gear
Originally Posted by mlpnya
i have an 05 TL with 6MT (23k miles) and have had some trouble with third as well.
what has happened to me on an ever increasing basis is this...
i get about half way into third gear and it seems like i could force it in but i usually back out and then it will usually drop right in. it probably happens maybe 1 out of 10 times.
is this similar to problems anyone else has had? is it more of a consistent problem?
I do not think my problem is syncro related, seems mechanical in the linkage.
went to the dealer today, of course they acted as if they never heard of the problem and of course it did not do it when we went for a ride.
thanks!
mlpnya
what has happened to me on an ever increasing basis is this...
i get about half way into third gear and it seems like i could force it in but i usually back out and then it will usually drop right in. it probably happens maybe 1 out of 10 times.
is this similar to problems anyone else has had? is it more of a consistent problem?
I do not think my problem is syncro related, seems mechanical in the linkage.
went to the dealer today, of course they acted as if they never heard of the problem and of course it did not do it when we went for a ride.
thanks!
mlpnya
BTW, in my case it was an Acura dealer that suggested replacing the transmission fluid with this BG Sycromesh - so I am assuming that it will be covered under the warrenty - after all - the Acura autorized dealer where I bought the car installed it - and they were the ones that suggested it and did the work.
I'd strongly suggest letting the dealer know about it and giving them the opportunity to do the right thing.
Good Luck,
Kevin
#56
Not a Blowhole
Originally Posted by JERU
Just curious, everyone seems to talk about particulates coming out when they drain the fluid. Did anyone just change out the Honda Fluid with fresh Honda fluid? Its pretty obvious that removing a bunch of shavings, etc and putting in new fluid is going to make the tranny shift better, regardless of whose fluid it is. The idea of putting in the GM fluid is tempting, but if all the tranny needs is a drain and refill (Honda stuff) to get the smooth shifting back, than that seems easier than all the possible headaches with non recommended fluid. Does Acura just need to change the timing of the first drain and refill in
the manual? Any comments welcome.
the manual? Any comments welcome.
#57
mlpnya
mlpnya,
Just read the last sentence of your post - that is very disapointing behavior from the dealer. The dealer I used was Chevy Chase Acura in Chevy Chase, MD - maybe you could give them a call and try to get a little background on the problem - and maybe you could use that information in dealing with your dealer.
I hate it when car dealers/mechanics try to you feel like it is you and not the car that has a problem.
Kevin
Just read the last sentence of your post - that is very disapointing behavior from the dealer. The dealer I used was Chevy Chase Acura in Chevy Chase, MD - maybe you could give them a call and try to get a little background on the problem - and maybe you could use that information in dealing with your dealer.
I hate it when car dealers/mechanics try to you feel like it is you and not the car that has a problem.
Kevin
#58
Not a Blowhole
Originally Posted by klkitts
This problem sounds identical to what happened on my '05 MT TL - though it has been happening since I drove the car off the lot. Since it only happened infrequently - like you said - maybe 1 in 10 - I wasn't sure what was going on. I told the dealer and they said they'd had 7 other customers report exactly the same thing. The installed something called BG Syncromesh - not sure - I guess this is similar to the GM Synromesh people talk about - and since then it has just worked flawlessly. I am not one that believes in a "Fix in a bottle" - but I swear that it has made a 100% improvement. Will it last forever? I don't know. But it is working perfectly for now.
BTW, in my case it was an Acura dealer that suggested replacing the transmission fluid with this BG Sycromesh - so I am assuming that it will be covered under the warrenty - after all - the Acura autorized dealer where I bought the car installed it - and they were the ones that suggested it and did the work.
I'd strongly suggest letting the dealer know about it and giving them the opportunity to do the right thing.
Good Luck,
Kevin
BTW, in my case it was an Acura dealer that suggested replacing the transmission fluid with this BG Sycromesh - so I am assuming that it will be covered under the warrenty - after all - the Acura autorized dealer where I bought the car installed it - and they were the ones that suggested it and did the work.
I'd strongly suggest letting the dealer know about it and giving them the opportunity to do the right thing.
Good Luck,
Kevin
1) Regarding the "click" someone experienced after switching to GMS-FM. This has nothing to do with the tranny fluid, and was there before and after you swapped out the fluid. The 6MT has a hydraulic clutch, and the fluid is completely different, and separate, from the tranny fluid. It is actually DOT3 brake fluid.
2) Regarding the BG Syncromesh - it is another aftermarket tranny fluid of the "light gear oil" variety, but is not formulated like GMS-FM. It is closer to GM "Syncromesh", whicxh was designed for the Getrag trannies GM sourced for a while in cars like the Beretta. It may or not work well with the TL, but my reports from the field in the S2000 is that it was no better than HG MTF. Some of BG's claims and products are a bit "over the top" for me, and when i "debated" a local BG distributor on a local radio show about some of their claims, it was embarassing how little he knew about oil-related technology and cars in general, other than top say "throw in a bottle of 44K and see what happens" to every call. It was like Dr. Morbius talking to a conifer seedling.
3) Kevin raises an excellent point about the hypocrisy of some Acura dealers - they warn against using GMS-FM, yet they often hawk BG Products to build profits during a 30k "service". One such product is their MOA (Motor Oil Additive). This is, by my analysis, nthing more than a large amount of many components of oil additives packages already in engine oil, but in MOA it is in massive quantities - nearly 30% by volume!!! Their "expert" I debated on the radio show rambled on that "MOA replenishes (my word - not his - he stumbled about looking for the word until the moderator and I helped him) the additives 'lost' in the engine oil". Well. lost is not quite right, but depleted is. Like all good service pitches, their pitch is based in fact, but then taken to an area where I say they have not proven anything. Yes, MOA replenishes, but so does --- drum roll - an oil change!!!! There is no evidence to support, and much evidence to question, that if a little add pack is good, adding a lot more is better.* In the case of things like detergents, or the polymers which make up VI improvers, or the chemistry of pour point depressants, MORE can be detrimental. And 44K in the formula I analyzed several years ago was a very strong solvent - not one I would slap into any car, with any injector seal.
Anyway, whether they are great products, OK products, or good profit generators aside, you have Honda dealers pitching them, even though the Onwer's Manual warns that they are not needed, and may be detrimental (see section on oil additives). And of course, GMS-FM is so dangerous that it will void your tranny warranty if the bottle is even waved at the car as it drives by. What a crock!!!
*On the other hand, if you want an oil/fuel additive combo with proven safety and efficacy, look at the Lube Control products that our esteemed moderator, MW, has recommended. They work, but having a clear Missionm statement, sound engineering and formulation, and a positive track record on BITOG. But of course, they likely endanger trhe warranty as well.
#59
Burning Brakes
Originally Posted by millerrh
Like many of you with 6MT, I have the problem where I fight it to go into 3rd gear from time to time. Everyone on this board swears by the GM Syncromesh fluid, but I verified with Acura that it would indeed void your transmission warranty.
So my question to you guys -- is it worth it? Should I switch fluids anyway, running this risk? I REALLY want my car to shift right...this third gear thing irritates the hell out of me.
Maybe the answer is switch it and if I need to take the car back for warranty work, change out the fluid with Honda MTF.
So my question to you guys -- is it worth it? Should I switch fluids anyway, running this risk? I REALLY want my car to shift right...this third gear thing irritates the hell out of me.
Maybe the answer is switch it and if I need to take the car back for warranty work, change out the fluid with Honda MTF.
I did it as soon as RR recommended it. it made such a big difference. i am thinking of doing the same thing for my S4.
#60
Instructor
Thread Starter
"Trannies are like women in some ways - what applies to one seldom applies to another, and when you find one that feels right with the right lubrication, do not screw things up by seeking a solution elsewhere."
Now this is classic.... freakin awesome.
Now this is classic.... freakin awesome.
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Today's forecast for MA is 50's..ohhahh, so oil change and tranny fluid change are on schedule, one comment I have to make about the day I picked up the 3 Qts from a local Chevy dealer, these were covered with so much dust that made me think that this product is not of much demand .... , I hope there is no shelf life on these cans ...lol j/k....
#62
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[QUOTE=Trannies are like women in some ways - what applies to one seldom applies to another, and when you find one that feels right with the right lubrication, do not screw things up by seeking a solution elsewhere.[/QUOTE]
Boy the femi-nazis on this site, if there are any, are gonna love you for that one. Be prepared to get slammed.
Boy the femi-nazis on this site, if there are any, are gonna love you for that one. Be prepared to get slammed.
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getting back the subject on hand, this stuff is the s..hit...wow, I did the oil change both transmission and engine and the car feels better than when I bought it new ...thanks to all that made this possible....GM I wouldn't buy a car from you but keep this miracle oil coming...I'm calling my kid maybe I'll do the change on his Civic....
#64
Not a Blowhole
Originally Posted by Xpditor
Soopa.... one reason I ended up with a 5AT is that the 6MT I drove on a demo had a slight grind going into 2nd- even slow shifting.
Now, the S2000 will spoil a guy, but nevertheless, all things considered, and for my purposes using the TL as a commuter/family ride with some spunk, I too went with the 5AT. But even if I were to compromise with just one car, I doubt I would go with the 6MT TL, unless i did what i did with my 2002 TL-S: CompTech mods on header, exhaust, springs, roll bars, etc.
The GMS-FM will help with shift quality, but has no effect on the clutch take-up. One cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, so they say.
Off-topic:
BTW, I did a complete change out of the S2000's brake and clutch fluids with Ate "Super Blue" brake fluid. Very good for track temps at VIR, but I still think the best brake/clutch fluid for most folks is Ford's DOT3 - it is just an amazing "conventional" DOT3 fluid, and does not have to be replaced as often as the Ate (every year is best, 2 years at the max). It is also cheap and easy to source. I recall posting in detail on it a while back.
The Ate comes in blue tinted and regular amber color. The hot setup is to alternate, so one knows shen the old fluid has been flushed by the color change. The blue can leave a slight residual stain on the plastic reservoirs according to my buds at S2KI.com.
#65
Burning Brakes
Originally Posted by Road Rage
Off-topic:
I still think the best brake/clutch fluid for most folks is Ford's DOT3 - it is just an amazing "conventional" DOT3 fluid, and does not have to be replaced as often as the Ate (every year is best, 2 years at the max). It is also cheap and easy to source. I recall posting in detail on it a while back.
I still think the best brake/clutch fluid for most folks is Ford's DOT3 - it is just an amazing "conventional" DOT3 fluid, and does not have to be replaced as often as the Ate (every year is best, 2 years at the max). It is also cheap and easy to source. I recall posting in detail on it a while back.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...ight=Ford+DOT3
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after 2 changes w/ Syncromesh, i tried the amsoil mtf this last change... the only diff i notice is an occasional notchiness going into 2nd when the tranny is cold... only lasts for about 3 min--
#66
Safety Car
GM ALL THE WAY THE CAR IS BETTER THAN NEW!!!! by the way Id like to know who figured out that the gm syncro mesh is the best one to use.... i know that the integra hooker uppers use a different synchromesh fluid....... y not use that one?? when i went to gm i realized the guy pulled out the one he uses on his integra and I said eehhh wrong one and he was about to argue with me I was like dude i know this is the wrong one and he looked it up on the forum and was confused.
#67
Drifting
Originally Posted by Hybrid
The customer would then have to get a lawyer or go to small claims court. There, Honda just might win easily, if everyone agrees the "wrong" fluid was used, for example. Hey, the manual says to use the Honda stuff, and anything else just might cause damage. (The manual seems to imply that for most fluids).
In order for Honda to get away with requiring Honda Brand Oil, I'm pretty sure they are going to have to prove there is something in their oil that is needed, and prove that a lack of this is detrimental to the engine/tranny. Otherwise, they could just say you need to use Honda brand gasoline too.
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