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02-12-2004, 12:01 PM
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What is interesting about the DualDisc article is that Sony released some of this hyrbrid DVD-A format. The article mentions that they may be hedging their bets but nothing official from Sony.
02-12-2004, 12:33 PM
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Actually, the more I read about DualDisc, the more I get concerned...
With DualDisc, there is no forced DVD-Audio track. Likely, the DVD side will be filled with videos and 5.1 DTS/DD audio. This of course won't play at all in the TL.
Time will tell to see how things evolve...
Jon
With DualDisc, there is no forced DVD-Audio track. Likely, the DVD side will be filled with videos and 5.1 DTS/DD audio. This of course won't play at all in the TL.
Time will tell to see how things evolve...
Jon
02-22-2004, 09:36 PM
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No, it does not. Hybrid SACDs are guaranteed to be SACD on one side, and redbook CD on the other. This is good for the SACD format.
DualDiscs can have DVD-A on one side and redbook CD on the other (this would be great), but it can also hold DVD-V on one side and CD on the other. Or, in the case of Sony's DualDiscs, DVD PCM tracks on one side, redbook CD on the other.
So, with the lack of rigidity on the "other" side of the DualDisc, DVD-A could be sideswiped by more sexy things like DVD-V music videos.
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DualDiscs can have DVD-A on one side and redbook CD on the other (this would be great), but it can also hold DVD-V on one side and CD on the other. Or, in the case of Sony's DualDiscs, DVD PCM tracks on one side, redbook CD on the other.
So, with the lack of rigidity on the "other" side of the DualDisc, DVD-A could be sideswiped by more sexy things like DVD-V music videos.
Jon
Originally posted by wanta04tl
Does the SACD hybrid not do the same thing?
Does the SACD hybrid not do the same thing?
03-05-2004, 02:26 PM
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Hmmm, it seems "discWelder Bronze" may not be the absolute god-send many of us are hoping for. Evidently, it will allow only 99 songs to be written to a DVD Audio disc. Although, one way around that is to link the songs together (PITA) before burning.
Note the mention of "Group with up to 99 Tracks".
http://www.minnetonkaaudio.com/news/...erBRONZE.html1
Note the mention of "Group with up to 99 Tracks".
http://www.minnetonkaaudio.com/news/...erBRONZE.html1
03-05-2004, 03:17 PM
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Has anyone had luck using WinonCD as described in this link:
http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=173362
Signed, OBSESSED! ;-)
http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=173362
Signed, OBSESSED! ;-)
03-05-2004, 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by tl-lvr
Hmmm, it seems "discWelder Bronze" may not be the absolute god-send many of us are hoping for. Evidently, it will allow only 99 songs to be written to a DVD Audio disc. http://www.minnetonkaaudio.com/news/...erBRONZE.html1
Hmmm, it seems "discWelder Bronze" may not be the absolute god-send many of us are hoping for. Evidently, it will allow only 99 songs to be written to a DVD Audio disc. http://www.minnetonkaaudio.com/news/...erBRONZE.html1
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03-05-2004, 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by tl-lvr
Has anyone had luck using WinonCD as described in this link:
http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=173362
Signed, OBSESSED! ;-)
Has anyone had luck using WinonCD as described in this link:
http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=173362
Signed, OBSESSED! ;-)
It's not DVD-A.
03-09-2004, 11:51 AM
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Isn't the 99 track limitation a result of the DVD-A format moreso than a software limitation? I know that Red Book CD Audio is limited to 99 tracks too.
03-09-2004, 02:17 PM
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I doubt it. If it were a track limitation in the format, I would expect it to be soemthing along the lines of 64, 128 or some other power of 2.
Early CD players had this limitation as well mostly because the hardware did not include the extra display element to add in a third digit for anything over the 99th track.
Early CD players had this limitation as well mostly because the hardware did not include the extra display element to add in a third digit for anything over the 99th track.
03-09-2004, 05:32 PM
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Actually 99 is a limit in the spec for each group. DiscWelder Steel/Bronze have the additional limit of 1 group, whereas the spec allows up to 9. The TL player, however, has no way to switch groups; I believe it can only play group 1.
http://www.disctronics.co.uk/technol...vdaud_spec.htm
Mike
http://www.disctronics.co.uk/technol...vdaud_spec.htm
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03-11-2004, 08:34 PM
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Not dvd-audio but I just made 2 dts cd's
using the ambisionic encoding to 5.1 from the (how to) over at doom9. I must say they turned out sweet. I chose kansas leftoverature and meatloaf as my test subjects
and me and the wife just sat in the car in the garage for a good long while.
Using ambisionics keeps the rears at a nice level as its quite diff than most encoders, non attenuating so the field is all around you.
If you get surcode dts i highly recommend it.
no authoring just burn the dts wav files like a normal audio disc.
I would say u get 14-18 tracks depending on the length of them.
using the ambisionic encoding to 5.1 from the (how to) over at doom9. I must say they turned out sweet. I chose kansas leftoverature and meatloaf as my test subjects
and me and the wife just sat in the car in the garage for a good long while.
Using ambisionics keeps the rears at a nice level as its quite diff than most encoders, non attenuating so the field is all around you.
If you get surcode dts i highly recommend it.
no authoring just burn the dts wav files like a normal audio disc.
I would say u get 14-18 tracks depending on the length of them.
03-12-2004, 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by TL_Daemon
Not dvd-audio but I just made 2 dts cd's
using the ambisionic encoding to 5.1 from the (how to) over at doom9. I must say they turned out sweet. I chose kansas leftoverature and meatloaf as my test subjects
and me and the wife just sat in the car in the garage for a good long while.
Using ambisionics keeps the rears at a nice level as its quite diff than most encoders, non attenuating so the field is all around you.
If you get surcode dts i highly recommend it.
no authoring just burn the dts wav files like a normal audio disc.
I would say u get 14-18 tracks depending on the length of them.
Not dvd-audio but I just made 2 dts cd's
using the ambisionic encoding to 5.1 from the (how to) over at doom9. I must say they turned out sweet. I chose kansas leftoverature and meatloaf as my test subjects
and me and the wife just sat in the car in the garage for a good long while.
Using ambisionics keeps the rears at a nice level as its quite diff than most encoders, non attenuating so the field is all around you.
If you get surcode dts i highly recommend it.
no authoring just burn the dts wav files like a normal audio disc.
I would say u get 14-18 tracks depending on the length of them.
03-12-2004, 07:07 AM
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Originally posted by Salden
What is ambisionics? I can't find any reference to it over at doom9.
What is ambisionics? I can't find any reference to it over at doom9.
sry its in the forums under audio.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=60137
ambisionics is a surround format created in the 70's i believe but never adopted by the main stream.
03-12-2004, 09:58 AM
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I didn't have as much luck using ambisonics to go from 2-ch stereo to 5.1 DTS. The original 2-ch stereo version actually sounded fuller to me. I followed the guide posted by EyeOfHorus on doom9.
Plus, (and here's the biggest problem), I keep getting the clicks/noise-spikes when I put anything DTS in the car.
TL_Daemon, you don't have any clicks or noise when playing your DTS cd?
Plus, (and here's the biggest problem), I keep getting the clicks/noise-spikes when I put anything DTS in the car.
TL_Daemon, you don't have any clicks or noise when playing your DTS cd?
03-12-2004, 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by zon76
I didn't have as much luck using ambisonics to go from 2-ch stereo to 5.1 DTS. The original 2-ch stereo version actually sounded fuller to me. I followed the guide posted by EyeOfHorus on doom9.
Plus, (and here's the biggest problem), I keep getting the clicks/noise-spikes when I put anything DTS in the car.
TL_Daemon, you don't have any clicks or noise when playing your DTS cd?
I didn't have as much luck using ambisonics to go from 2-ch stereo to 5.1 DTS. The original 2-ch stereo version actually sounded fuller to me. I followed the guide posted by EyeOfHorus on doom9.
Plus, (and here's the biggest problem), I keep getting the clicks/noise-spikes when I put anything DTS in the car.
TL_Daemon, you don't have any clicks or noise when playing your DTS cd?
No clicks, but I did have to change from data cd's to music cdr's and i reduced speed to 4x
also make sure you are using the latest beta of besweet/1.5b25. Im doing it real simple i use 16/44100 and i dont upscale it and bring it back. my hmn filter is at 60hz cutoff .500 resonace and .250 on inamp /outamp.
as far as media the deck has taken every cdr ive thrown at it.. GC memorex tdk not bad atoll
I think my initial hiccups was my liteon im using the pioneer dvd burner at 4x just to be sure.
03-12-2004, 05:34 PM
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5 min edit rule gacck!
anyway i just burnt Rush Hemispheres using reg data cdr at 4x no probs :-)
Im thinking if you make dvd dts files and author it like normal, setting first song to autoplay then burn it with nero, except instead of going to video_ts put them in audio_ts.
this should produce a dvd audio disc.
I will post results proly sunday.
anyway i just burnt Rush Hemispheres using reg data cdr at 4x no probs :-)
Im thinking if you make dvd dts files and author it like normal, setting first song to autoplay then burn it with nero, except instead of going to video_ts put them in audio_ts.
this should produce a dvd audio disc.
I will post results proly sunday.
03-12-2004, 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by TL_Daemon
Im thinking if you make dvd dts files and author it like normal, setting first song to autoplay then burn it with nero, except instead of going to video_ts put them in audio_ts.
this should produce a dvd audio disc.
I will post results proly sunday.
Im thinking if you make dvd dts files and author it like normal, setting first song to autoplay then burn it with nero, except instead of going to video_ts put them in audio_ts.
this should produce a dvd audio disc.
I will post results proly sunday.
Mike
03-13-2004, 12:09 AM
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Actually, you would be making a dvd-audio dvd not dts. Basically you have your 6 channels of audio before surcode encodes them into 1 dts wav file. You would use discwelder to make those 6 channels into 1 dvd-audio track, right Mike?
03-13-2004, 12:38 AM
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Originally posted by Salden
Actually, you would be making a dvd-audio dvd not dts. Basically you have your 6 channels of audio before surcode encodes them into 1 dts wav file. You would use discwelder to make those 6 channels into 1 dvd-audio track, right Mike?
Actually, you would be making a dvd-audio dvd not dts. Basically you have your 6 channels of audio before surcode encodes them into 1 dts wav file. You would use discwelder to make those 6 channels into 1 dvd-audio track, right Mike?
Mike
03-13-2004, 09:33 PM
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svtmike:
Thank you for pioneering the DVD-A process for the TL. That said, there's a question that I cannot find the answer to:
It's about the navigation of these DVD-A tracks in the TL. Let's say that we burn the max of 99 stereo tracks on a DVD-RW in the DVD-A format that the TL is fortunate enough to read.....will we see ID3 type info on the screen (artist, track name)? Will we be able to navigate through folders (artist, album, track)?
Let me know if you know, and thanks again!
Thank you for pioneering the DVD-A process for the TL. That said, there's a question that I cannot find the answer to:
It's about the navigation of these DVD-A tracks in the TL. Let's say that we burn the max of 99 stereo tracks on a DVD-RW in the DVD-A format that the TL is fortunate enough to read.....will we see ID3 type info on the screen (artist, track name)? Will we be able to navigate through folders (artist, album, track)?
Let me know if you know, and thanks again!
03-13-2004, 11:32 PM
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Salden: That ends that. No point in having x thousand tracks with no ID's.
Do you know if the factory head unit has an aux input so that I might plug my iPod into it without the need for a powered FM modulator?
TIA
Do you know if the factory head unit has an aux input so that I might plug my iPod into it without the need for a powered FM modulator?
TIA
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