dave_ramkumar

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love my 3g as well, if the 4g was better i would of definitely got it instead of the M3

Pz_

I'm on board with dropping the 3G body on the 4G frame. I'd even take the interior to boot. Honestly, the 4G is a really nice car, it just looks awful. I can't just complain about the front, the back or the sides. From every place I look at it, it just doesn't click for me. I'm not a hater of "new" designs either. Take that Cadillac CTS coupe for example. It has a lot of sharp edges and lines in it, it's a very different design. It didn't turn out bad at all, it just works a lot better than the current TL. For me at least, I mean there must have been a big group of people somewhere in the design process that all loved it. They had to have asked regular people what they thought right? Right?

georgegiorgio

Hey Guys,

You know what the 4G reminds me of?

The Tumbler... haha...

Really, I've been on it (4G loaner) several times... probably a total (back and forth) over 2 months, that's because my 07 TL Type-S went in for service (transmission, brembo caliper, rattle, and among other issues)...

The feeling I had for the 4G is, indeed better built quality than our 3G TL... no rattle, but seriously there aren't much space for little things, the trunk opening is too high, and the whole car really feels heavier, I drove both 3.5 and 3.7...

Just a hideous design...

NBPacuraTL

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I remember my mom had a 4g loaner. It wasn't all that great from what I recall. Honestly, the SH-AWD versions with the 5 spoke rims looks very nice. I'm starting to see a lot of 4g TL's in my area.

My opinion, all car has their ups and downs. I see some potential the 4G TL's. Hell, the ron jon grill for it makes the car look A LOT better. Will it be able to sell as much as 3G TL's who knows. But I won't be surprise if it did sooner or later.

I hate cars

That's the kind of info I was looking for.

It's not surprising sales dropped in '09 but I'm really surprised at the drop in '07 with the 3G makeover. Maybe it's more popular on acurazine and less popular to the average consumer... Looking at the numbers, Acura may have been better off leaving the looks alone and adding more features from '04 to the present.

pkarandi

Yeah - I agree. Acura should have followed the Infiniti G35 update method in 2008 (or 2007 - I can't remember). The new G35 is definitely different and clearly indicates an update to consumers, but the basic lines of the car were maintained. It didn't look like a whole new car.

Blazing GT

The amount sold is diminishing

Comptechtl2367

In 07 the econ. was really starting to tank, they came out with revised model right in time for the market to crash!
They new TL is was to BIG! Park your 3G next to one and it looks even bigger. Bring back the 3G with RWD and a more powerful engine and it would be golden!

smarty666

I agree with you but Honda CEO recently said that Honda and Acura have no plan or desire to deal with V8 or RWD so you'll have to go to another make in order to get either of those things unfortunately! Check out automotive news on here if you want to read the press release!

Shoot2Thrill

2007 was also the introduction the BMW 335 with the N54 engine.

I hate cars

That's too bad. Acuras have always lacked power including the NSX. With the exceptional handling of their FWD models, I can only imagine what they could do with RWD.....and power. I always find myself making excuses for the FWD and lack of power like the good looks and such but I guess that's for another thread.

vuuha05

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"if it's not broken, don't fix it"..guess Acura didn't get the memo

DuoDSG

I know for me personally it's more of a looks issue. My 2004 TL still blows the pants off of every car I see here at school, despite being six years old. Acura hit the market spot-on with its design. Even if it's not the newest car on the block, I know that the few times I've seen a 4G TL here in Logan, the first thought in my head is "dang, I feel sorry for that guy, driving that thing".

If you're buying that new of a car, aesthetics obviously matter to you...but in this case, it's an epic fail. Like the guy who wears socks with sandals. No matter how expensive the sandals are, it's still fugly.

They're gorgeous on the inside and all, but they tried to play Tron with the body style. Sure, maybe we don't know that we like it or want it yet, but when it comes to sales, you want something that will sell while the vehicle is in production. The crappy economy only compounds the styling snafu.

I plan to keep my TL until it absolutely croaks. Which will be a while yet, seeing that it's a Honda, as long as I keep up on its maintenance.

leedogg

I'm willing to bet that the original designers for the 3g Acura now work for either Chevy or Ford, both of whose latest cars carry a lot of the design queues that make us think they're 'imitating' the 3g. Seems like Acura got ex-Hyundai designers.

Pz_

I dunno, I think they are really turning the design around for Hyundai. When I think of where both companies were, looks wise, a couple years ago. Seems like Hyundai went forward and Acura went backwards. Well, I guess maybe the TL went waaaaay too far forward.

mani

My cousin is in the process of trading in his 4thgen TL with 31k miles. He paid $42 out the door back in January 2009.
I just bought my 3rd gen TL typeS $28k out the door and guess what we tried the best and Acura was only willing to pay him $26K.

He was willing to sell it to me for $28K but i simply passed and still had to choose my car. And you wanna what the Acura sales people had to say about y they wanted to pay him only $26k? They simply said the 3rd gen Type-S are hot cakes and more demanding by clients compared to the fugly 4th gen.

You can search online and find a 4th gen TL Acura certified for like $25k right now.

I hate cars

I didn't know that. I would almost buy one for that price.

DMZ

Along with the economy .....
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T Ho

4G is an ugly ass car, that's why it's not selling.

I currently own both a 2G and 3G, so it's not that I'm completely biased to 3G only.

esco786

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The answer to the subject of this thread: YES

keith7120

I have owned a TL since the 96 model. The 96 model was not much to look at but the options were plentiful, the car had great power but could not handle a simple curve without excessive body lean. I then bought the 99, 2001 type S and the 2007 type S. I now have the 09 SH-AWD. I must say that when I owned the 07 type S, I hated the 4g TL. It finally grew on me and test drove it. I was hooked instantly. I also think the 19inch tires added to the appeal of it. But anyways, my 09 SH-AWD is the best TL I have owned. Ride comfort, handling, Tech Package, better reverse camera, blue tooth audio, etc.My only gripe is gas mileage and the need to use premium fuel. I don't miss my 3G TL-S at all.

LaCostaRacer

I think the 4G is a nice car. My biggest problems with it are: looks- mostly side and back now and the fact that it grew a bit too long in the length. I'm also not a huge fan of the center console/arm rest design either. I like my 3G console 2-level design with my retracting map pockets better than the 4g's.

I hate cars

You brought up a year old thread for that?

DaeHanMeenGuk

Maybe he was using the search function? Better than making a new thread about a topic that's already been covered right?

07BLKTL

Hell I'm surprised he managed to search something like that out, it's such a broad subject I wonder how he even found it lol or what he was actually looking for when he did find it lol.

AZP-TL

I've been seeing a lot more 4G TLs on the road recently, I think the front end looks a lot better ever since the redesign which probably has something to do with it; they were pretty rare to see before that. I still like my 3G TLS far more.

Have you guys seen the new RLX? Shows a lot of the design direction Acura will be going in.

AbyssBlue2005

The 4th gens look good if they are modded but stock I don't care for them. Not to mention they appear to be a lot bigger of a car.

pimpin-tl

The Tl sales have increased a lot since the 2012 release. So it is doing better.

LaCostaRacer

I hear you- search is a little dicey even with a narrow subject. I always search before starting a thread but you sometimes miss them. It would be nice if thread posters added some keywords possibly. I have often better lock Googling than using the search feature within these forums.

Anyway, it's nice to see the 2012's are selling better. I know the incentives are good and wonder how incentives are helping to drive sells?

MonkeyTrucker

Not interested in the 4g ... probably be in a different model after my 3g.

ez12a

if i had a choice between my car and a 2012 TL SH-AWD 6MT i'd pick the 4th gen.

TheBumbino

This I would really hope to see a TL style coupe like the CL was.

In response to this whole thread I think that Honda got caught in the economy trap so many manufacturers need to follow or lose a lot of business. Basically they can build a bunch of cool interesting cars that won't sell well or they can be like Toyota and build a bunch of uninteresting bland crap that will sell to the majority public. As we all know boring hybrids and plain sedans IE: the camry and prius will sell. The majority of car sales are to people who know nothing about cars and just want something to go from A to B without much maintenance.

Some manufacturers managed to stay in the middle and still have interesting cars but the rest are ugly crossovers best example I like to use is Nissan/Infiniti.

I just wish they wouldn't have bastardized Acura they have Honda to sell their boring grocery getters.

Along with that companys who don't move into this trend suffer immensely. American car manufacturers are a great example. The big 3 american car companies were very late to the game and were not building cars that fit this terrible ecofriendly attitude. They almost all went under. Chrysler is a excellent example. While I have always liked Chrysler but they decided not to follow the trends and have suffered.

It's a sad world we live in for us car guys but this is the truth of things.

pimpin-tl

I have owned two 3rd gens and now two 4th gens. The 4th gens are a ton better over the 3rd gen. The 2012 is much better looking than the 2009. I still like the style better on my 3rd gens, but after getting use to the 4th in the 2012, I like it more. Way more refined,better built,and more of a luxury car feeling over the 3rd gens.

parasitius

RLX concept made me instantly think Lexus mid-2000's... Current RL is cooler design -- you rarely see one, so it catches your eye with the pointy tip that isn't overly pointy.

I was absolutely pumped up waiting for TL 5th gen. but I guess RLX indicates what it's going to look like, so I'm very depressed now. Seems they saw "okay or extreme attempt with 4th gens failed, now we need to be conservative so we can get back our old sales numbers"... *sigh*. If that's what they're gonna do, I'd rather upgrade to 4th gen with beak and get some Ron John pieces to fix it. Standing by till 2014...

WayneJay

There could be some merit to that statement. IMO, I think the problem is that they went too far with the 4G. Historically, Honda tended to push the envelope here and there, but they generally had the right balance in being a bit trendy while also playing it safe. This time, I think Acura went too far. I think it's not much different from when they let Chris Bangle loose at BMW and he created the E-65/66 7-series and E-60 5-series. The difference there (In my opinion) is that BMW will always sell based on their performance and prestige.

ez12a

but at the same time, the 3G TL looks nothing like the 2nd gen RL.

some have said the 5G TLX will look something like the Concept C:
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/hon...t-c-auto-shows

UA6

That grill Those wheels

THEReeM718

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I'm starting to see a lot more 4G's on the street. The 4G is slowly growing on me . Hopefully the new TLX will be awesome.

GKinColo08TL

I don't think Acura knows the meaning of the word "tweak". I think they should have tweaked the 3G...improve it but don't radically redesign the exterior of perhaps the best looking sedan ever built.

DaeHanMeenGuk

My opinion is that Acura has decided to "mature" as a brand and go full on luxury. Acura used to have a nice balance of sport and luxury in the vehicles but now it seems like they have abandoned it. The Type-R/Type-S trim has been stopped. The only coupe we'll see is probably the NSX and the rumored baby NSX which will be slightly cheaper (can anyone confirm this for me please?)

I guess Honda/Acura is saying that if the consumers want a coupe, we should look into the selection of coupes that Honda has.

As for the 4G TL, at first, I wasn't a big fan of it. But the minor tweaking they did to the "Acura Beak" helps a lot. Would I get one? Possibly much later in the future. But for now, I'm sticking with the 3G.