TacoBello

So premature compliance bushing failure isn't a safety concern? Neither are premature engine mount failures that can throw off the characteristics of the vehicle? Common, man.

leedogg

How were you able to tell that the HFL started draining the battery? (aside from a dead battery)

NBP04TL4ME

If you search this is unfortunately a fairly common occurrence. Two regularly reported symptoms are as follows:

HFL shows as constantly booting up on the MID when selected.
The console above the rear view mirror where the HFL module is located is and stays warm to the touch long after the car is turned off.

erg69

They did when the IS redesign came out in 06. We had 3 at the dealership I worked at that needed to be jump started all the time because no one ever wanted to drive them. We finally had to give them away well below invoice at the end of the year.

I too enjoy the control I get from clutching and shifting in my TL, but the ISF does it better electronically. When in sport mode, contrary to most other cars, the ISF driver has so much control over the gear box they could bend the valves..... like manual tl users do when they shift from 6th to 3rd when trying to go to 5th on the highway on accident. Also contrary to most cars, it shifts instantly when you pull either shifter on the wheel to whatever gear you want. Heck, it even blips the throttle when downshifting, a skill most manual drivers have yet to master. What would the center console look like with another row of gears for numbers 7 and 8?

I don't think its a manhood issue, just things evolving to a better way.

polobunny

I agree with you many cars with paddle shifters are doing much better than even their manual counterparts and most are better at it than the deprecated TL automatic shifting. As you say, things evolve, just waiting for an AT with a shifter where you get some force feedback...

FamilyGuy

Doesn't matter to me how good an auto trans is in manual mode, it will never give me the same level or experience that a real manual transmission does. A car also stops faster in neutral (trans disengaged) than it does in gear, and this is easy and quickly done with a manual. When in D on an auto trams you can also quickly hit the shift lever up into neutral in an emergency, but you lose this ability once in manual mode as most require a side step to engage manual mode.

erg69

Does a car stop faster using the engine and brakes at the same time? When you stomp on the brakes in an ISF it automatically downshifts to aid in braking, also so its ready to accelerate quickly if needed. I'm not a cheerleader for Lexus, I was the "f champion" at the dealer I worked for. They sent me to a week long training course on why the f is great and how to overcome the objection of "this car would be awesome if it were manual". You should take one for a spin sometime, fun car to drive.

We could also debate why mustard is good on a burger and should never be put on a hotdog. Really just personal preference I guess. Wait is that ketchup?

FamilyGuy

I'll take one out for a spin, but in all honesty, autos are just boring after you get used to a manual, and I've driven plenty of autos with manual mode. It's just not the same (for me). And having lived in New England for over 20 years, the best control I've experienced over the vehicle *in certain situations* always came when the engine is completely disconnected from the wheels. Note ABS still works in neutral. Still easier to rock the car out of a snow ditch back and forth with a manual too, vs between D and R on an auto.

I agree that now a days systems like traction and stability control will most likely keep your butt on the road in an emergency situation better than us under manual control of the vehicle, and many times these systems control the power output and where it goes, so here you want everything engaged, but not always. Years ago I pulled out on the street to make a left turn and some nut came flying around the corner too fast to stop. I punched it to get out of the way (too late to stop or turn back) and traction control kicked in and cut my power. A system that's supposed to keep me safe almost got me killed. A quick dumping of the clutch and re-engagement of the gear as I hit the traction off button saved my life. I now only use these systems under inclement weather, and prefer to stick with manual transmissions (unless truck or suv). That's just me.

So, the ISF's engine always revs down faster than it can brake? That's the only way it can aid in braking. In either case, I meant more towards the IS lineup in general, as in an IS350, comparable to our TLs, and not a $60-$70k sports car like the F, where you would expect some sort of performance above the norm. Shit, I'd take a 458 Specialle any day no matter what transmission it comes with

I would love to have an IS350 with a 6spd, or an F if I could afford one.

AlanW

No matter how fancy, how ever many gears it has, dual stage clutches & however it shifts, doesn't an automatic transmission still have a torque convertor?

thoiboi

That's some y2k BS right there


should've let it rolled over then sell it as a low mileage matrix :P

erg69

Yup.

anx1300c

iTrader: (2)

People didn't want to drive those three cars because they were anemic IS250's, not because they were manuals. Had Lexus put a manual is the 350, it would have opened up a much broader demographic.

NBP04TL4ME

Or Y3K

TacoBello

LOL!!!

2003 Toyota Matrix, with a beat to shit interior and exterior, with only 26 miles on the odometer!!

Acura-OC

BS?


Let me google that for you

polobunny

Nobody was calling BS on it, it's some Y2K shit because 1999 apparently would loop to year 0...

NBP04TL4ME

Close but not exactly. Most computers were only programmed to have two positions for the date year field. So in the years leading up to 1999 [99] there was fear the computers would shut down or have other undesirable results on new years day in 2000 when they rolled to [00]. The problem/issue became knows as Y2K (Year 2000) and the solution was what we have today where the date year is four positions. So this year is 2015 instead of 15 and theoretically we are good until the year 10000

thoiboi

I think Acura OC was too young to get the reference..

TacoBello

Didn't the later year IS300s also have a manual option that barely sold?

NBP04TL4ME

It could be argued that there are lots of AZ members that are too young to understand the reference. In other threads, I have been called "middle aged"

Acura-OC

No one understands me. That hurts.

thoiboi

polobunny

Nope, you're confusing for first gen (pre 2005... or 05 if you were as pedantic as NBP04TL4ME)

That's putting it nice, let's face it, you're on the downward slope at 48.

Just kidding by the way, I'm sure the explanation can serve some.