Beat G35 Coupe 6-Speed..07 3.5 Altima 6-speed..vids inside
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Originally Posted by juruki
You always quote mag times. Your car does 14.3 @ 99 modded.
TL-S 14.1 @ 101 STOCK
TL Aspec 14.3 @ 100 STOCK
TL-S 14.1 @ 101 STOCK
TL Aspec 14.3 @ 100 STOCK
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Originally Posted by juruki
You always quote mag times. Your car does 14.3 @ 99 modded.
TL-S 14.1 @ 101 STOCK
TL Aspec 14.3 @ 100 STOCK
TL-S 14.1 @ 101 STOCK
TL Aspec 14.3 @ 100 STOCK
What I'm trying to say is that I will usually take advantage of people's inexperience when it comes to drag racing. I've beaten lots of quicker cars only because the driver sucked or the driver got really greddy with the throttle when I put a small lead on them from the start.
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Originally Posted by iforyou
as he posted a comparison test earlier from Motortrend that even the TL 5AT has a higher trap speed than the G35.
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I agree Dave, that's the same for the TL as well, where other tests have shown it can trap much higher than 94.4mph.
I also believe those times for the TL and TL-S, 14.3@100mph and 14.1@101mph, if driven by a skilled driver, can be improved too. A good example would be type-s09. Like you've said, launching a higher powered FWD car is very tricky, especially with the 6MT model, from my understanding from reading car mags, when they perform acceleration tests, they only do 3 trials. I am sure it took you more than 3 tries to get down to 2.1 60ft with your Maxima. Sure enough the test drivers have a lot of driving experience, but each car is different and it certainly takes more than 3 tries to get the best launch.
I also believe those times for the TL and TL-S, 14.3@100mph and 14.1@101mph, if driven by a skilled driver, can be improved too. A good example would be type-s09. Like you've said, launching a higher powered FWD car is very tricky, especially with the 6MT model, from my understanding from reading car mags, when they perform acceleration tests, they only do 3 trials. I am sure it took you more than 3 tries to get down to 2.1 60ft with your Maxima. Sure enough the test drivers have a lot of driving experience, but each car is different and it certainly takes more than 3 tries to get the best launch.
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Originally Posted by iforyou
II am sure it took you more than 3 tries to get down to 2.1 60ft with your Maxima.
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Originally Posted by juruki
I heard 5AT G's get better times than the 6mt's G's. Why is that?
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Originally Posted by iforyou
What about your G35? how many times did you run before you got 14.32?
RWD is just that much easier to launch consistently. My 94 Z28 was the same way.
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I believe most magazine testers use the brake stall launch methods too when conduction acceleration tests, at least that's what C&D and MT do.
Yea, there's no doubt RWDs are much easier to launch. I think that's the primary reason why you don't see that many TL's getting good times.
Yea, there's no doubt RWDs are much easier to launch. I think that's the primary reason why you don't see that many TL's getting good times.
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Originally Posted by iforyou
Yea, there's no doubt RWDs are much easier to launch. I think that's the primary reason why you don't see that many TL's getting good times.
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Originally Posted by Dave_B
7 runs, I think. First run was a launch off idle, no manual shifting, and got a 14.6@97mph. Seond run was with a brake stall launch and manual shifting and did a handful of 14.4s@97mph. Went back to the strip a couple months later in cooler and ran a couple 14.4s then a handful of 14.3s@97/98.
RWD is just that much easier to launch consistently. My 94 Z28 was the same way.
RWD is just that much easier to launch consistently. My 94 Z28 was the same way.
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Originally Posted by type-s09
one day i went to the track and ran 4 14.0s all with 2.1 60 fts...tell me that isnt consistent...all on street tires...o and when you say launch high and modulate clutch..thats definatly wrong on a 6-cylinder fwd..i launch at 2k rpm and rapidly releace with out totally dropping the clutch..its all full throttle from there unless traction is loss then its throttle control...with the clutch, the more you ride the clutch the less you are moving..just like tire spinning..
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Originally Posted by type-s09
one day i went to the track and ran 4 14.0s all with 2.1 60 fts...tell me that isnt consistent...all on street tires...o and when you say launch high and modulate clutch..thats definatly wrong on a 6-cylinder fwd..i launch at 2k rpm and rapidly releace with out totally dropping the clutch..its all full throttle from there unless traction is loss then its throttle control...with the clutch, the more you ride the clutch the less you are moving..just like tire spinning..
As for launching FWD, I guess it's all dependent on the car. My Maxima weighed ~2,950lbs and had 205whp/200wtq. I experimented with all sorts of launch rpms. When I first started racing it, I was launching at 1800-2300rpms and all I got was spin and then bog. The car was stuck in the upper 2.2s/low 2.3s. I was convinced I was launching too hard. I launched even softer and the 60 foots got worse. Then I decided to get really greedy and go against everything I knew about launching FWD. I upped the launch rpm to 4500-5000rpms, released the clutch quickly, and got all sort of wheel spin, but never any bog and the 60 foots were the same (upper 2.2s). I then tried 4500rpms, slipped the clutch enough to feel the car start rolling, then released the clutch quickly while feeding the gas to keep the rpms above 3500. Instantly I was in the upper 2.1s. I refined the launch as time went on and got it into the low to mid 2.1s. That stock clutch had 113K miles on it when I sold the car and the current owner (3 years now) is still on that stock clutch. Too bad the G35's stock clutch isn't remotely as strong.
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Originally Posted by 6SpdTerror
When u run at the track do u run with the traction on or off??
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heres a new video guys...i beat a 2001 honda s2000 with intake and exhaust...had about a car length from 50-130..close race..but TL ftw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY0Liu969O4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY0Liu969O4
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how come i'm not as quick as you? sure i'm a five speed auto...but c'mon! i don't think i'd even come close to taking a G35...
i have cai...
i have comptech catbacks...
does the p2r really help that much?! c'mon!!! lol
i have cai...
i have comptech catbacks...
does the p2r really help that much?! c'mon!!! lol
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Originally Posted by erick3
how come i'm not as quick as you? sure i'm a five speed auto...but c'mon! i don't think i'd even come close to taking a G35...
i have cai...
i have comptech catbacks...
does the p2r really help that much?! c'mon!!! lol
i have cai...
i have comptech catbacks...
does the p2r really help that much?! c'mon!!! lol
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Originally Posted by type-s09
6-speed ftw man...auto is a lot slower
#103
Originally Posted by Dave_B
Very true. For whatever reason, Honda hasn't made a correctly geared, fast shifting auto paired with the right type of torque converter stall speed. BMW, Nissan/Infiniti, and GM all have automatics that perform nearly as well as their manual counterparts.
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The 6MT on the TL is much, much faster than the 5AT TL. There is a wide gap between the two. For cars like BMW, Mercedes, Audi, G35, don't differ much from AT to the MT in the acceleration but Acura/Honda is very different.
Number 1 factor is the gear ratio, as already mentioned by Dave_B. The 6MT TL has very close gear ratios which will give you a huge jump in power.
Number 2 factor is the Less Drivetrain Power Loss. Here is the run down, from best to worst:
FWD 6MT > FWD AT > RWD 6MT > RWD AT > AWD
Number 3 factor is the lighter weight. The TL 6MT is the lightest in the entire TL class, weighing only 3487 lbs(w/o NAVI). With NAVI, it still only weighs 3494, which is even tiny bit lighter than an IS350.
This is another reason why the 6MT Regular TL cars drive like a 300+ HP car when it's only 258 hp.
In other words, the 6MT FWD is the most efficient powered vehicle. Don't let the 258 hp fool you.... it's a different breed. I test drove the AT version and know how slow it is compare to the 6MT. Yes, it will be faster than the AT TL Type-S, especially in the quarter mile.
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Number 1 factor is the gear ratio, as already mentioned by Dave_B. The 6MT TL has very close gear ratios which will give you a huge jump in power.
Number 2 factor is the Less Drivetrain Power Loss. Here is the run down, from best to worst:
FWD 6MT > FWD AT > RWD 6MT > RWD AT > AWD
Number 3 factor is the lighter weight. The TL 6MT is the lightest in the entire TL class, weighing only 3487 lbs(w/o NAVI). With NAVI, it still only weighs 3494, which is even tiny bit lighter than an IS350.
This is another reason why the 6MT Regular TL cars drive like a 300+ HP car when it's only 258 hp.
In other words, the 6MT FWD is the most efficient powered vehicle. Don't let the 258 hp fool you.... it's a different breed. I test drove the AT version and know how slow it is compare to the 6MT. Yes, it will be faster than the AT TL Type-S, especially in the quarter mile.
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Oh and the 4th, 5th, and 6th gear on the 6MT TL has much more power due to tight gear ratios, you can get from 112~ 150 mph much, much quicker too. It'll just keep going, like the G35's do. Lexus IS350 will suffer a bit here due to poor gearing on the 5th and 6th gear. They are too loose compare to the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gears on the IS350. That's why that car shines upto around 110 mph or so. This is why the '07 G35 and 335i take over at those high speeds, and the Regular TL 6MT following right behind....
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Originally Posted by Manual Transmission
Oh and the 4th, 5th, and 6th gear on the 6MT TL has much more power due to tight gear ratios, you can get from 112~ 150 mph much, much quicker too. It'll just keep going, like the G35's do. Lexus IS350 will suffer a bit here due to poor gearing on the 5th and 6th gear. They are too loose compare to the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gears on the IS350. That's why that car shines upto around 110 mph or so. This is why the '07 G35 and 335i take over at those high speeds, and the Regular TL 6MT following right behind....
#107
Originally Posted by type-s09
the tranny on the is350 was made for "red light to red light acceleration"aka 1/4 mile..they just dont want to suggest taking your $50k lexus to the dragstrip..it traps under 110mph so thats why...5th and 6th are for gas mileage..on an a/t car you have to make the gears longer to compensate for the torque converter to gain the gas mileage
and that is why the IS350 doesn't shine after 110 mph.. it's not meant to be for high speed competition. it is for gas mileage.
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Originally Posted by type-s09
the tranny on the is350 was made for "red light to red light acceleration"aka 1/4 mile..they just dont want to suggest taking your $50k lexus to the dragstrip..it traps under 110mph so thats why...5th and 6th are for gas mileage..on an a/t car you have to make the gears longer to compensate for the torque converter to gain the gas mileage
That is another reason why I prefer 6MT for much stronger pulls on every single gear. Hell, even the 6th gear on the TL is tighter than the 5th gear on the 5AT TL.
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Originally Posted by type-s09
heres a new video guys...i beat a 2001 honda s2000 with intake and exhaust...had about a car length from 50-130..close race..but TL ftw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY0Liu969O4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY0Liu969O4
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Originally Posted by iforyou
In return 5AT gets better (by quite a bit too) mileage than the 5AT G35....but..I prefer more speed
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Originally Posted by type-s09
the tranny on the is350 was made for "red light to red light acceleration"aka 1/4 mile..they just dont want to suggest taking your $50k lexus to the dragstrip..it traps under 110mph so thats why...5th and 6th are for gas mileage..on an a/t car you have to make the gears longer to compensate for the torque converter to gain the gas mileage
With regards to the torque converter vs gearing, at part-throttle and above 30mph or so, most every late model automatic will lock up the TC and make a direct connection to the tranny making it behave exactly like a manual. There's no slippage therefore there's no severe impact on MPGs. Additionally, a big reason why the autos in BMWs, G/Z/M, and the IS350 perform so well is because the TC will actually lock at WOT depending on gear and rpm. This direct connection greatly improves power to the wheels and throttle response Most autos aren't using this technology yet because the TC has to be extremely robust to handle that type of stress. I can't speak for the BMW and Lexus, but the G/Z/M auto also uses a fairly high stall TC (~3000rpms) therefore making for a harder launch. Judging from the large performance difference between the TL 6MT and 5AT, I doubt the Honda 5AT uses the fancy locking TC or a higher stall TC. Hopefully Honda will wake up and realize that you can make a performance automatic.
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Originally Posted by F23A4
Most mag road tests report only about 1-2 mpg advantage in TL VS G3x comparisons.
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Interesting, as from what i've seen, the G is usally at 25-26mpg on the hwy, vs 29-30 for the TL/TLS, AT or MT. City driving however, are the same.
I am not sure if Honda is already doing this, but I hope they will partner with some gearbox company instead, just like those other car companies.
I am not sure if Honda is already doing this, but I hope they will partner with some gearbox company instead, just like those other car companies.
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Originally Posted by StYLeZz101
very nice...my fren has an altima with the same mods and he leaves me when 4th goes in....damn auto....he wants to run a 6 spd tl...he thinks he cud beat it but i showed em the vids and hes like oh tha guy cant drive im like wtf...and ur the best?? hes like oh please i cud take one
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tell ur boy i got a 6-speed tl-s
Nice to see more 6 speeds out there!
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Originally Posted by illstrategy
tell ur boy i got a 6-speed tl-s
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Originally Posted by 6SpdTerror
Im yet to see a CBM TLs around queens. Where did u get ur car from? Paragon?
Nice to see more 6 speeds out there!
Nice to see more 6 speeds out there!