A Base TL beating a Type S has it been done?
03-16-2007, 02:09 PM
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A Base TL beating a Type S has it been done?
Have any of you raced a type s and beat it? I'm talking beat it with out making any changes/mods to your base TL and still pulling it off.
03-16-2007, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by your_mom
Interesting question. The Type-S has more HP, but is also heavier because of the bigger engine. I bet it would be a closer race than people think.
thats what I kinda think, a few years back I had a type s and my dad had a base TL and he whiped me "twice" "that F*cker" I was like WTF, tho his TL was used for alot of road trips so it was really broken in.
03-16-2007, 02:50 PM
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It's absolutely possible. Put my 'slightly' modded 06 auto with 10k miles vs an 07 TL-S, fresh off the sales lot and someone new to the paddle shifters or a 6 speed. Easy win for the 06.
This is just one of hundreds of scenarios. Seat me in an Acura Vigor with 200K vs. an NSX with a noob driver and watch me (and most of you as well) smoke 'em.
But experienced drivers and broke-in engines..... has anyone tested this?
This is just one of hundreds of scenarios. Seat me in an Acura Vigor with 200K vs. an NSX with a noob driver and watch me (and most of you as well) smoke 'em.
But experienced drivers and broke-in engines..... has anyone tested this?
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This is kind of a silly question/thread.
Obviously, if two robots with identical driving skill were driving a TL and a TL-S and the cars were both in the same exact condition -- let's say brand new right off the assembly line -- obviously the car with the higher performance specs is going to win.
Like Dedpheonix said, there are hundreds of scenarios. A good driver will beat a not-so-good driver with similar equipment more often than not, so using that logic, it's quite feasible that a base TL could beat a TL-S.
Obviously, if two robots with identical driving skill were driving a TL and a TL-S and the cars were both in the same exact condition -- let's say brand new right off the assembly line -- obviously the car with the higher performance specs is going to win.
Like Dedpheonix said, there are hundreds of scenarios. A good driver will beat a not-so-good driver with similar equipment more often than not, so using that logic, it's quite feasible that a base TL could beat a TL-S.
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03-16-2007, 03:41 PM
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This is like one of those brain teaser puzzle questions huh? I got it! add a couple tons of weight to the TL-S, give it shitty wheels with no traction and the base TL will beat it!
what do I win?
what do I win?
03-16-2007, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by leedogg
This is like one of those brain teaser puzzle questions huh? I got it! add a couple tons of weight to the TL-S, give it shitty wheels with no traction and the base TL will beat it!
what do I win?
what do I win?
03-16-2007, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Acuraboy7
Have any of you raced a type s and beat it? I'm talking beat it with out making any changes/mods to your base TL and still pulling it off.
03-16-2007, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by your_mom
Interesting question. The Type-S has more HP, but is also heavier because of the bigger engine. I bet it would be a closer race than people think.
03-16-2007, 06:36 PM
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it all depends on the driver.
I remember an episode on Fifth Gear, where they visited a group of car enthusiast who had modified their cars; and there were some that had exotics. The car enthusiast all tested the 0-60 on their cars, but none could meet or beat the manufacturer set time.
In another instance, my friend knows a professional driver who handled a stock integra better than my friend's one with all his anti-roll bars.
I remember an episode on Fifth Gear, where they visited a group of car enthusiast who had modified their cars; and there were some that had exotics. The car enthusiast all tested the 0-60 on their cars, but none could meet or beat the manufacturer set time.
In another instance, my friend knows a professional driver who handled a stock integra better than my friend's one with all his anti-roll bars.
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Anyone is south florida 
From Royal Palm Beach to Boca with a regular TL want to find out, my TL-S auto with 4000 miles on it is waiting....no its not a challenge just want to answer the posters question 
From Royal Palm Beach to Boca with a regular TL want to find out, my TL-S auto with 4000 miles on it is waiting....no its not a challenge just want to answer the posters question
03-16-2007, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SANS-TLS
Anyone is south florida From Royal Palm Beach to Boca with a regular TL want to find out, my TL-S auto with 4000 miles on it is waiting....no its not a challenge just want to answer the posters question
From Royal Palm Beach to Boca with a regular TL want to find out, my TL-S auto with 4000 miles on it is waiting....no its not a challenge just want to answer the posters question 
I would love to know the results of that
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Can anyone confirm the curb weight of both the TL with the TL-S? I just thought they either changed the stroke or increased the bore of TL-S so weight shouldn't be that much different. I think that maybe from standstill to about 45 mph or somewhere around there it could be a driver's race but beyond that the difference in power will give the edge to the TL-S.
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Base TL : 3636
TL-S : 3674
They both could use a visit to Jenny Craig. As for who could beat who, I think they're both close enough that a driver's skills will come into play.
TL-S : 3674
They both could use a visit to Jenny Craig. As for who could beat who, I think they're both close enough that a driver's skills will come into play.
03-17-2007, 11:10 AM
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i have, raced a white type s i have an 06 bonestock, we took off from the light i let off on the gas in the begining cuz i didnt think he was racing then i hear is engine rev. up so we start going at it hes pulling ahead of me a lilttle bit at a time not by much, it was also cuz he had that lil head start by me not flooring it, w.e it was a nice race i lost obv. but i think if i idnt let up on my car i would of been at least neck and neck with him. he was driving an atuo btw. and i have an auto
03-17-2007, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ironviet
Can anyone confirm the curb weight of both the TL with the TL-S? I just thought they either changed the stroke or increased the bore of TL-S so weight shouldn't be that much different. I think that maybe from standstill to about 45 mph or somewhere around there it could be a driver's race but beyond that the difference in power will give the edge to the TL-S.
03-17-2007, 12:24 PM
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In the long run the 3.5 will be stronger, the 3.2 will start to poop out. lets say 2 TL's are going 40MPH one TL with the 3.2 and one with the 3.5 and they both floor it, the 3.5 is going to most likely win, off the line I can see maybe a neck and neck race cuz they stroke about the same that way., and when you factor in one's a little heavier, ones a little lighter blah blah blah...Still the 3.5 will always have an advantage over the 3.2
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Originally Posted by ironviet
Can anyone confirm the curb weight of both the TL with the TL-S? I just thought they either changed the stroke or increased the bore of TL-S so weight shouldn't be that much different. I think that maybe from standstill to about 45 mph or somewhere around there it could be a driver's race but beyond that the difference in power will give the edge to the TL-S.
Base Navi: Automatic: 3636 lb 258HP 14.09 lb/HP
Type S Navi: Automatic: 3674 lb 286HP 12.85 lb/HP
Type S Navi: Manual 6-Speed: 3559 lb 286HP 12.44 lb/HP
Any race between two automatics requires no skills. Lower lb/HP ratio wins.
Quite lower lb/HP ratio (even lower if calculated with wheel power, because automatic is wasting more energy than manual), clutch advantage (starting with higher revs) makes an easy win for manual.
03-19-2007, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CometVR4
I'm sure Acura brought on the Type S with the bigger motor knowing the Base TL is faster....
its not that much faster
03-19-2007, 01:03 PM
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Interesting question. The Type-S has more HP, but is also heavier because of the bigger engine. I bet it would be a closer race than people think.
04-07 TL is 258hp (270 old) and 3575 lbs (base)
I seriously doubt that the 100lbs if from the larger engine it is most likely added weight of rims and other things added to the car....
03-19-2007, 02:54 PM
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this is a stupid question, look at car and driver for 0-60 and you will see which one is faster, which is obvi the type-s.
but on the road it all depends on several factors: driver, mods, auto manual, does one driver have more balls than the other, do both drivers know there racing
but on the road it all depends on several factors: driver, mods, auto manual, does one driver have more balls than the other, do both drivers know there racing
03-19-2007, 08:40 PM
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car and driver times are good for reference but are not concrete in any way whatsoever. the reason is that conditions vary a lot when they do the trial runs. conditions that affect times are things such as altitude and temperature. then if you look at motor trend, automobile, and the other car mags times will differ there too. usually when they test they make a certain amount of runs then average it out.
i think having the cars go head to head with similar driver weight and with several runs would be the only way to know the difference. overall i think we can all agree the TL-S is faster but the question is how much faster is what most of us are concerned about in realistic conditions too.
i think having the cars go head to head with similar driver weight and with several runs would be the only way to know the difference. overall i think we can all agree the TL-S is faster but the question is how much faster is what most of us are concerned about in realistic conditions too.
03-20-2007, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by kappa821
this is a stupid question, look at car and driver for 0-60 and you will see which one is faster, which is obvi the type-s.
but on the road it all depends on several factors: driver, mods, auto manual, does one driver have more balls than the other, do both drivers know there racing
but on the road it all depends on several factors: driver, mods, auto manual, does one driver have more balls than the other, do both drivers know there racing
There isn't really a 0-60 time posted for the TL-s yet, Road and Track clocked the MT at like 5.7 which I think is a joke, and both TL's now have the drive by wire so it might have improved the base TL. The mags haven't said much so thats why I put the question out there to get some idea of how much quicker.
03-20-2007, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Acuraboy7
thats what I kinda think, a few years back I had a type s and my dad had a base TL and he whiped me "twice" "that F*cker" I was like WTF,
Maybe you had a bad start. I donno.
Originally Posted by HiTEC
With that in mind it would be interesting to see a well driven manual against a type S auto.
The 6MT TL-S should be about .5 sec quicker than the standard TL 6MT.
03-20-2007, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by YeuEmMaiMai
07 Type S is 286HP (old) rating and 3680 lbs (baseAT)
04-07 TL is 258hp (270 old) and 3575 lbs (base)
I seriously doubt that the 100lbs if from the larger engine it is most likely added weight of rims and other things added to the car....
04-07 TL is 258hp (270 old) and 3575 lbs (base)
I seriously doubt that the 100lbs if from the larger engine it is most likely added weight of rims and other things added to the car....
03-20-2007, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by YeuEmMaiMai
07 Type S is 286HP (old) rating and 3680 lbs (baseAT)
04-07 TL is 258hp (270 old) and 3575 lbs (base)
I seriously doubt that the 100lbs if from the larger engine it is most likely added weight of rims and other things added to the car....
04-07 TL is 258hp (270 old) and 3575 lbs (base)
I seriously doubt that the 100lbs if from the larger engine it is most likely added weight of rims and other things added to the car....
03-29-2007, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by meowCat
LOL!!! Your dad beat youuu!!!!! HA HA. That's a shame. Maybe he's more experienced driver perhaps? Maybe you had a bad start. I donno.
It'll be dead even, very very close. I have heard that the Type-S Auto is somewhere in the 5.9 sec range in 0-60. The Standard TL 6MT's official number is also 5.9 sec. With a good condition and good clutching techique, 5.8 sec can be had easily. So I say they are about the same.
The 6MT TL-S should be about .5 sec quicker than the standard TL 6MT.
Maybe you had a bad start. I donno.It'll be dead even, very very close. I have heard that the Type-S Auto is somewhere in the 5.9 sec range in 0-60. The Standard TL 6MT's official number is also 5.9 sec. With a good condition and good clutching techique, 5.8 sec can be had easily. So I say they are about the same.
The 6MT TL-S should be about .5 sec quicker than the standard TL 6MT.
His TL was really broken in, it had been to FL like 3 times, it back then the base TL was at 0-60 in 6.7 VS the type S at 6.4....yeah i'd also have to say I was still learning then, hes a good driver!
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