demer11

Ok before I start I know alot of people on here don't aprove of driving crazy on the highway but hey im young and I like to do crazy things sometimes. Which were all guilty of. When i see cars speed by me i think "which cars can we out perform" and yesterday I fell to the temptation of racing a is250. Basically smoked him. Couldn't keep up with me. Duh hes only got a 2.5 i know. Anybody wana share a similar exp? If you wana call it another fail race thread. Watever. But if you wana talk about cars we can compete against, im listening.

Rick_TL-S

I think the only cars we can give a run for their money are G's, 350Zs, the older GT Mustang w/ 300Hp, & possibly IS' models. Other than that, we can either beat without too much issue or get blown away.

These cars are great, but personally, I've given up trying to compare performance wise to anything. I think the FWD hampers the potential of the Type-S too much.

demer11

Yea there aren't too many vids of type s's on youtube either. So im curious

04TL6SPEED

im pretty sure a type-s would beat an is250 i dont know off the line, but i know at higher speeds it can outrun one!

Monte TLS,MAX

Humm what 350z's, and 05-10 GT mustangs can an "automatic" TLS give a run for their money. All 350's from 03 up even in auto are faster than an auto TLS, I don't want to get into the 07/08 HR's....slaughter. Same goes for the 05 + GT's auto or manual vs an auto TLS, and the only IS any stock TLS can beat is the 250........350 bye bye TLS. Closer to an auto TLS are the 03-06 G sedan automatics, 07+ G sedans bye bye auto TLS.

JTS97Z28

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I agree the lack of TL-S vids on youtube kinda stinks. What I wanted to see the most was a auto TL-S against an manual TL-S. I owned an automatic and now purchasing a 6mt. The 6mt seemed significantly quicker. How would this relate in a side by side run assuming excellent 6mt driver?

James

Ruby

another one of these huh...why don't you go to your local track and find out. I beat a modded 08 civic si, modded mini cooper s, 07ish audi a4, monte carlo ss, and a few trucks..other than that I got totally smoked by muscle dragster cars lol. The 1/4 mile track is where its at if you really wanna see what you can do.

ts_vaj

My 03 TL Type-S with CAI and Headers feels slightly faster than the new Type-S auto. The dyno numbers match up with an automatic 3rd Gen Type-S too.

Rockstar21

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good thing he said older..

most people would assume that means something other than the newest generation.

Rick_TL-S

Have had absolutely no trouble running 350Zs. I've ran 2, and both times, pulled past them once we got past 100. One of them even tapped his brakes to avoid me from pushing a fender by him during our first run.

'05 Mustang GTs are not that fast. Autos are dogshit slow, and it doesn't take much to hang on the rear of the manuals. A member & I on here have both run the same GT, and neither of us got left behind.

Notice how I also said possibly IS models.

Hotwired05

From personal experience, even tho I have a 6-speed, I have went against an 04 350z and got it, not by a lot but still got ahead, IS 250 also not much of a problem, the G35 Sedans, with 6-speed and a good driver is questionable.

IS 350 umm last one I raced smoked me bad lol, hell it even managed to kill my friends G8 GT. BMW 335i - no chance, 328 BMW- close but can take it, 05 Mustang GT's (auto) are slower than people think, Charger R/T Hemi -walked him.

Again, this is with a 6-speed and grippy tires, given that you can launch the car properly (took me a while to adjust) The automatic in the TL-S hinders it's performance, every Auto TL-S I went against (same or similar mods) I was able to walk, as well as the new SH-AWD TL (auto)

Aman

When you start racing cars like the Z, G, 328, etc... it's all about driver skill. Especially with MT.

demer11

When I was against the is250 It was lliterally no competition... and 335i's, we can't take em? Cars.com says coupe does 0 to 60 at 6.04 aand 1/4 in 14.7. Those numbers are very similar to ours

Ruby

A BMW 328i...? Are you serious? Those things are a joke. You must be confusing it with the 335.

alexSU

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lmao they need to hire a new driver...335i does the 1/4 around 13.4-13.6@104-105mph

demer11

Yea I was thinking, so when the hell do the twin turbos kick in wwith those numbers? I guess after the quarter mile

Monte TLS,MAX

Well the only "older" GT as Rick stated with 300 hp is the 05-10 (remember the 11 had the drastic power increase to 4** HP), no pre 05 GT had 300 they had 260.

Monte TLS,MAX

If you are manual you can possible be close to a 03-06 350z, automatic TLS nah (wow past 100 that a serious race..hehe). 07/08 HR Z's no chance, those things can trap 105 to 108 stock. 05-10 GT manuals stock trap 104/105 , autos 100 to 102 and do 13's without issue, tell me what stock "automatic" TLS than can do that (mid 14's @ mid 90's). Key word is "automatic" as the original poster stated, automatic TLS's just do not put the power to the ground as well as the manuals. Manuals trap 4 to 5mph more and thats a fact, mid 90's vs high 90's to 101 ish.........big difference.

Monte TLS,MAX

Yours is believable as you have a 6spd & and as you stated and I stated the manual vs the automatic in this car their is a big difference in accelleration and trap speeds. When I had my auto TLS, I would get walked by 6spd ones at the track.

anx1300c

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Actually, the '10 GT got a little bump to 315 bhp, but it wasn't much quicker.

F23A4

I've driven several variations of the 3G TL and unless I 'needed' and automatic TL, I'd opt for the 04-06 6MT over an 07-08 TL-S 5AT.

Going back to the original topic, I'd be interested in seeing how an 07-08 TL-S 5AT does against a TSX V6.....though I suspect it'd be a stalemate.

Monte TLS,MAX

Yeah I know

Monte TLS,MAX

That would be interesting to see, I wonder if anyone has ran into one. I hardly ever see the V6 on the road, I wonder how many people are buying them.

Hotwired05

Actually there's a video floating around somewhere, either on Azine or youtube where I think an auto TSX V6 went against AT TL-S from a roll. The TSX slowly kept creeping away from the TL-S. Not sure if either was modded. I have yet to come across one to go against. Last two V6 TSX I saw had chicks behind the wheel, they were white and one of them had a fuzzy steering wheel cover and I doubt they'd want to race lol

Monte TLS,MAX

After reading F23A4's post, I was curious to and did some research, and what you said about it creeping away makes since judging by the times C/D got for it 14.6 @99mph. That trap speed is a few mph higher than an auto TLS can do so it has better top end power, so that vid you saw puts into perspective.

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...06720d4d53.pdf

anx1300c

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That 99 mph is surprising. All the other tests have it at 96-97 mph; should be a close race. Crazy price for a TSX though.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test

http://www.insideline.com/acura/tsx/...and-video.html

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...v_6/index.html

anx1300c

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Of course we can't put too much faith in Edmund's Inside Line, considering they could only get a 14.96 @ 90 mph out of an '04 TL 6MT.

They're notoriously bad manual drivers.

Rick_TL-S

If you're in a manual, and you can't beat a 350Z, turn your keys over.

Like I've said, I've had no issue running 350Zs & I doubt a 6Spd wouldn't have much trouble pulling on them.
Oh look, another person in this forum who bench races every scenario w/ QTR mile results.

Do some searching in this forum; you'll find that doesn't carry over very well to most of the racing posted in this forum, seeing as most of us aren't going to race from a stop & then go until we hit what we believe is a 1/4 mile. Go look up some of Sonnick's threads for proof. 14.04 is what he has listed in his sig., yet he's gone up & beaten/hung with cars that should "slaughter" him because "they're in the 13's"....

And I never said a word about manual vs. automatic TLs.

F23A4

Monte has been around for quite some time, is generally spot on with his assertions and has a solid feel for the vehicles in question.

The reference to 'automatic vs manual' TL is likely intended to lend some perspective, particularly as the Accord V6/TL exhibit MAJOR performance differences dependent solely upon the transmission type. Sonnick's car is a 6MT that's decently modded (not to mention, helmed by a good driver) racing a 370Z that's modded (though the jury is out on whether or not mods help or hurt the Z).

But steering this back on topic, the question the OP has posed is which vehicles (pressumably stock and performance oriented) can an 07-08 TL-S 5AT outperform, all other factors being equal?

F23A4

Indeed. While having my MDX serviced @ the dealer on Saturday, Clinton Acura had the same TSX V6 on the sales floor that had been sitting there when I had my last MDX service. This time it was marked down by $5,000. Clearly, they're not flying out of the showroom. (If they mark it down another $5k, it just might wind up in my garage. )

demer11

yea to get back on point, can we beat 04-08 maximas? 3.5liter altimas? v6 new gen camrys? and new gen v6 accords? these cars in my opinion are our competition.

SatinSilverAV6

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It is all a drivers race. With equal drivers: The Camry V6 is the quickest out of them all running 14.3 stock at best. The TL-S Auto, 04-08 Maxima and 07+3.5L Altimas are all capable of 14.5-14.6 stock. The 8th Gen Accord V6 is the slowest running a high 14 to low 15's at best.

SatinSilverAV6

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There is a guy on here named UNEVANKO with his TSX V6 that ran a 14.43@98.66 with a 2.231. He has a K&N drop in filter and resonator removed. Not to shabby!

Ruby

I ran a 14.7 (see the time slip in the 1/4 mile thread) But it was 90 degrees out and I ran my car 20 times that day..Give me grippier tires and cooler temps I bet I could see 14.3 if I'm lucky...but honestly I don't really care I'm bone stock down to the paper filter and I just went to see what I could do.

Sonnick

Although sometimes irrelevant, bench racing has it's certain moments. That's all people can base opinions on since there are few people who run the TL/TL-s at the track. I'd love to get behind the wheel of a bone stock 3G TL-s 6MT to see what it can do. Although I'm sure it wouldn't be easy to launch...

As for my run with the 370z, he had I/E at the time (usually dyno 20-25whp higher than stock with those 2 mods). However, the driver has 100lbs on me, and didn't shift at redline for 3rd gear. He is a good driver as well. He pulled 1.5-2 cars on me from 10-105. The first time we ran he was stock with 1100 miles or whatever, and had a 200+lb passenger. I pulled about a fender to 1/2 car I believe on 3/4 runs. 1 run we were dead even. Thanks for the props Lee

Btw, my 1/4 run in my sig was when I had I/Jpipe only on a crappy 2.24 60'. I've since went back and the car felt like poop. I didn't launch because I believe my motor mounts are bad, and ran the same 14.04 with an even worse 2.35 60'. My tax return should be coming soon and I will be using some of that money for the custom Jpipe (will have many pics/vids, etc) as well as a dyno. And then my exhaust will be complete hehe.

The TL/Accord are great cars. They are not slow. They are not fast. The TL is an amazing car in every respect, more luxurious than performance-oriented for sure, but still packs a punch when modded. J&Rs standalone system is going to make our cars MUCH more mod-friendly and I expect many mid to low 13s out of our cars. I suspect there will be a few in the 12s with DRs or slicks without question. I would go as far as saying there are a few of us that could post 12s with slicks right now. With a 1.7-1.8 60' there are easily 5+ people that would be in the 12s without question.

F23A4

You're not kidding. I test drove an 08 AV6 EX-L 5AT back to back with my old 07 AV6 EX-L 5AT and came away unimpressed with it's performance.

anx1300c

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Stock 05-10 GT manuals trapping 104-105 mph is far from the norm. Average is more likely ~102 mph. There does seem to be a huge variance in those cars since there was one at the track a couple years ago trapping 98-99 mph in 55 degree weather at 400' elevation. It was an '08 5MT with 12k miles on the odo and yes, the guy could drive. He had another one prior to that and that one trapped 102-103 all day, bone stock. Needless to say, he was pissed.


But the 8G Accord coupe 6MT is quicker than all of them!

Monte TLS,MAX

Not at all!

Monte TLS,MAX

10k markdown, I'm with ya hehe!

Monte TLS,MAX

Yeah I know, I'm just basing it off of the ones that I have seen run in person and some time slips over on the Mustang forums. I bet he was pissed with those times, I know I would be hehe!