Anyone who owns a TL check out the Toyota Avalon
02-17-2005, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Spingrinder
The new 2006 GS is already out. It's an even chunkier, rounder car, with less power than the old GS. It now also uses a V-6 instead of the beautiful, purring inline 6.
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PS An animal it is. . .sumbitch will get away from ya if you romp to hard on wet or sandy surface like I did yest. I was ALL over the road - what a f..king hand full! Jumping around like a new puppy!
02-17-2005, 09:15 AM
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I went and looked at one the other day. They didn't have one available to test drive at the time so I don't have any comments on the car's dynamics. However, just sitting in it, I got the feeling that it is probably a nice car to ride in, but is certainly not a "drivers' car. Some nice features like keyless start, infra red cruise and reclining rear seats, but its missing the touch screen navi and "drivers car" cockpit feel.
02-17-2005, 12:43 PM
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People talking apples and oranges here..
An 05 avalon... people... not the 96 etc...
I was curious myself if the 3.5 that is in this car will be used on the ES...
As in ES335 or GS335
There are not too many car choices if you want decent sized car with over 250 HP etc..
TL
G35
ES
etc
I would be faily confident that this car will cut in the the lexus ES330. The engine and transmission should show up in the ES since the avalon is priced out less....
An 05 avalon... people... not the 96 etc...
I was curious myself if the 3.5 that is in this car will be used on the ES...
As in ES335 or GS335
There are not too many car choices if you want decent sized car with over 250 HP etc..
TL
G35
ES
etc
I would be faily confident that this car will cut in the the lexus ES330. The engine and transmission should show up in the ES since the avalon is priced out less....
02-17-2005, 02:37 PM
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Avalon = Fairy tale sounding Mythical beast, just like Griffin, hey maybe they should call it the Toyota Griffin! Remeber if you see this car in like 10 yrs in the street you heard it here first!
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Sorry everyone. I have driven Toyota all of my 32 licensed years. Excellent cars. But.........as many have pointed out.....boring. It was not an easy decision for me to which to Honda/Acura as Toyotas have always been so dependable. I am a little torn now as I have experienced a couple of disappointments with my '04 TL that I don't think I would have with Toyota quality eg. terrible, terrible, seat leather, a few squeeks that I still don't have in my 11 year old 4Runner.
Still happy I bought the TL but .....
Still happy I bought the TL but .....
02-19-2005, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Cesci
Sorry everyone. I have driven Toyota all of my 32 licensed years. Excellent cars. But.........as many have pointed out.....boring. It was not an easy decision for me to which to Honda/Acura as Toyotas have always been so dependable. I am a little torn now as I have experienced a couple of disappointments with my '04 TL that I don't think I would have with Toyota quality eg. terrible, terrible, seat leather, a few squeeks that I still don't have in my 11 year old 4Runner.
Still happy I bought the TL but .....
Still happy I bought the TL but .....
02-19-2005, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Lucky37
Avalon = Fairy tale sounding Mythical beast, just like Griffin, hey maybe they should call it the Toyota Griffin! Remeber if you see this car in like 10 yrs in the street you heard it here first!
Avalon=Avalon (myth or legend), in Celtic mythology, the island of the blessed, or paradise.
02-19-2005, 02:28 PM
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Honest truth? theres this new shit in town called White Haze, only a select few have unlimited acces to it, but i don't think thats the problem. Now that i know the true meaning of the Avalon, will it change my mind about the car? Lets see.....
Avalon... hmmm....
Still thinking....
No. Done.
Avalon... hmmm....
Still thinking....
No. Done.
02-19-2005, 02:56 PM
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I work at a toyota dealership,keep your tl. New TL have more than a Avalon will ever have. I have a 98 TL won't even think of trading it for a new Avalon
02-19-2005, 04:00 PM
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I work at a toyota dealership,keep your tl. New TL have more than a Avalon will ever have. I have a 98 TL won't even think of trading it for a new Avalon
02-19-2005, 04:11 PM
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I work at a toyota dealership,keep your tl. New TL have more than a Avalon will ever have. I have a 98 TL won't even think of trading it for a new Avalon
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Toyota Avalon 2005 Toyota Avalon Limited 4dr Sedan (3.5L 6cyl 5A) change Acura TL 2005 Acura TL 3.2 4dr Sedan w/Navigation System (3.2L 6cyl 5A) change Pricing Toyota Advantages Avalon TL MSRP $33,540 $34,900 Colors Toyota Advantages Avalon TL Interior Color Chips 3 Available 4 Available Exterior Color Chips 9 Available 8 Available Base Engine Toyota Advantages Avalon TL Base Engine Type & Cylinders V6 V6 Base Engine Displacement 3.5 liters 3.2 liters Valvetrain 24 Valves double overhead cam (DOHC) 24 Valves single overhead cam (SOHC) Horsepower 280 hp @ 6200 rpm 270 hp @ 6200 rpm Torque 260 ft-lbs. @ 4700 rpm 238 ft-lbs. @ 5000 rpm Available Engines Toyota Advantages Avalon TL 6 Cyl Standard Standard Available Transmissions Toyota Advantages Avalon TL 5 Speed Shiftable Automatic Standard Standard Drivetrain Toyota Advantages Avalon TL Driven Wheels front wheel drive front wheel drive Suspension Toyota Advantages Avalon TL Independent Suspension four-wheel four-wheel Stabilizer Bars front and rear front and rear Tires and Wheels Toyota Advantages Avalon TL Tires P215/55HR17 all season P235/45WR17 all season Wheels alloy rims 17 x 7.0 in. alloy rims 17 x 8.0 in. Spare fullsize matching alloy temporary steel Roof and Glass Toyota Advantages Avalon TL Sunroof power glass power glass Rear Window Sunshade power Not Available Front Wipers variable intermittent rain sensing variable intermittent Rear Defogger Standard Standard Exterior Features Toyota Advantages Avalon TL Chrome Grille Being Researched Standard Rear Spoiler Optional Not Available Seating Toyota Advantages Avalon TL Total Seating Capacity 5 5 Front Seat Type bucket bucket Upholstery Type leather leather Driver Seat Power Adjustable Being Researched 8 Driver Seat Lumbar Support Standard Standard Driver Seat Height Adjustable Standard Standard Driver Seat Heated Standard Standard Driver Seat Ventilated Standard Not Available Passenger Seat Power Adjustable 4 4 Passenger Seat Lumbar Support Standard Not Available Passenger Seat Height Adjustable Being Researched Standard Passenger Seat Heated Standard Standard Passenger Seat Ventilated Standard Not Available Rear Seat Type bench bench Rear Center Armrest folding with storage and pass-thru folding with storage and pass-thru Rear Heat rear ventilation ducts rear ventilation ducts Power Features Toyota Advantages Avalon TL Power Door Locks remote power door locks remote power door locks Power Windows Standard Standard One-Touch Power Windows 2 2 Heated Driver Mirror Standard Standard Heated Passenger Mirror Standard Standard Auto-Dimming Outside Mirrors electrochromatic Not Available Outside Driver Mirror Adjustment power power Outside Passenger Mirror Adjustment power power Reverse Tilt Outside Mirrors Not Available dual mirrors Convenience Toyota Advantages Avalon TL Cruise Control cruise control cruise control Power Steering speed-proportional power steering speed-proportional power steering Steering Adjustment tilt and telescopic tilt and telescopic Cruise Control on Steering Wheel Standard Standard Audio Control on Steering Wheel Standard Standard Cupholders front and rear front and rear Remote Trunk Release Standard Standard Door Pockets front and rear front Seatback Storage Not Available Standard Cargo Nets Standard Standard Power Outlets - Front Standard Standard Center Console Standard Standard Overhead Console Not Available Standard Universal Remote Transmitter Standard Standard Retained Accessory Power Standard Standard Comfort Toyota Advantages Avalon TL Front Air Conditioning automatic climate control automatic climate control Front Air Conditioning Zones dual dual Air Filtration interior air filtration interior air filtration Auto-Dimming Rearview Mirror electrochromatic electrochromatic Reading Lights front and rear reading lights front and rear reading lights Vanity Mirrors dual illuminated vanity mirrors dual illuminated vanity mirrors Front Floor Mats Optional Standard Rear Floor Mats Optional Standard Cargo Area Floor Mats Optional Not Available Cargo Area Trunk Lights Standard Standard Premium Center Console Trim simulated wood alloy and wood Premium Dash Trim simulated wood Being Researched Premium Door Trim simulated wood alloy and leather Premium Shift Knob Trim leather leather Premium Steering Wheel Trim leather and wood leather-wrapped Memorized Settings Toyota Advantages Avalon TL Number of Drivers Being Researched 2 Driver Seat Standard Standard Exterior Mirrors Standard Standard Instrumentation Toyota Advantages Avalon TL Tachometer Standard Standard Clock Standard Standard External Temperature Standard Standard Low Fuel Warning Standard Standard Compass Standard Standard Trip Computer Standard Standard Safety Features Toyota Advantages Avalon TL Brakes - Front ventilated disc ventilated disc Brakes - Rear disc disc Braking Assist Optional Standard Anti - Lock Brakes 4-wheel ABS 4-wheel ABS Traction Control Optional Standard Stability Control Optional Standard De-powered Air Bags Standard Standard Head Air Bag front and rear front and rear Side Air Bag dual front dual front Seatbelt Pretensioners front front Rear Center Seatbelt Type 3-point belt 3-point belt Child Safety Locks Standard Standard Child Seat Anchors Standard Standard Front Headrests 2 2 Rear Headrests 3 2 Engine Immobilizer Standard Standard Xenon Headlights Standard Standard Headlight Auto Delay Being Researched Standard Headlight Dusk Sensor Standard Standard Daytime Running Lights Standard Not Available Front Fog Lights Standard Standard Signal Mirrors Standard Not Available Anti-Theft Alarm System remote anti-theft alarm system remote anti-theft alarm system Emergency Trunk Release interior trunk release interior trunk release Entertainment & Telematics Toyota Advantages Avalon TL Premium Brand Audio System JBL Being Researched Premium Brand Speakers JBL Being Researched AM/FM AM/FM AM/FM Cassette Standard Standard CD In-Dash 6 CD player 6 CD player Total Number of Speakers 12 8 Watts 360 225 Antenna Type diversity element Navigation System DVD navigation system w/voice activation - Optional DVD navigation system Phone Not Available pre-wired for phone
02-19-2005, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Xpditor
Driving TL=kissing Christina Aguelera
Driving Avalon=kissing your sister
Driving Avalon=kissing your sister
02-19-2005, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Xpditor
Driving TL=kissing Christina Aguelera
Driving Avalon=kissing your sister
Driving Avalon=kissing your sister
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02-19-2005, 11:56 PM
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Whoa there!!! You mean to tell me I'm going to catch all kinds of communicable diseases when driving my TL, and 95% of the rest of the world has driven her before?????
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02-20-2005, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by LessisBestmakingendsmeet
Wait a minute, an Avalon has more HP than our TL??????
02-20-2005, 09:05 AM
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To anyone who has some time on there hands,go to the Acura web page and do the inter active of the TL compare what the TL has to offer as standard equ. than go to the Toyota web page and see what the Avalon has to offer.Case closed.
02-22-2005, 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by louis427
I Have 2001 Avalon XLS(fully loaded) and it has 149,438 miles with no problems at all!Honda cannot even come close to Toyota Quality.
02-22-2005, 03:15 PM
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I own both and they are two totally different cars - not worth arguing about. If you want sport, fun and with some practicality, the TL is your car. If you want a great ride, total comfort and no worry quality, you really can’t beat the Avalon. I have 160,000 on the my current Avalon and have not had one, single solitary repair – ever. Hope I can say the same for the TL someday. PS the new Avalon has 280 HP.
02-22-2005, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Legend2TL
Even more interesting is that the all new 2006 GS300 has a less powerful V6 at only 245HP compared to the Avalon's 280HP V6. Maybe it was detuned cause of the 300HP V8 offered in the GS series.
None the less most people on this thread are correct, the Avalon's marketing target and the TL's have very little overlap. The closet vehicle Toyota has from a product comparison to the TL is the IS300 IMO.
None the less most people on this thread are correct, the Avalon's marketing target and the TL's have very little overlap. The closet vehicle Toyota has from a product comparison to the TL is the IS300 IMO.
02-22-2005, 05:34 PM
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Three words preclude me from even considering an Avalon... "NO MANUAL TRANSMISSION.
That's it, no consideration, no contest, no chance an Avalon will ever find a home in my garage.
Also, I have to say I am in FULL agreement with Road Rage when he writes,
"They would have to change a lot for me to consider that car over the TL - the Avalon is a "blue-hair car" around here, or for Consumer Reports types who really do not like cars, and like to be insulated. The Avalon is a smooth car, but if I wanted a cocoon, I would own an LS 430. I don't, and don't.
For me, gizmos like keyless ignition, automatic wipers, etc. only serve to insulate me from the driving experience - I like to be involved with the car, and if I cannot modulate the wiper speeds myself, I am ready for pasture.."
Amen. That's why I don't like automatic-on headlamps and am so happy the TL does not have that nonsense. There are a number of ares in which I do NOT like a car to take my decisions for me.
That's it, no consideration, no contest, no chance an Avalon will ever find a home in my garage.
Also, I have to say I am in FULL agreement with Road Rage when he writes,
"They would have to change a lot for me to consider that car over the TL - the Avalon is a "blue-hair car" around here, or for Consumer Reports types who really do not like cars, and like to be insulated. The Avalon is a smooth car, but if I wanted a cocoon, I would own an LS 430. I don't, and don't.
For me, gizmos like keyless ignition, automatic wipers, etc. only serve to insulate me from the driving experience - I like to be involved with the car, and if I cannot modulate the wiper speeds myself, I am ready for pasture.."
Amen. That's why I don't like automatic-on headlamps and am so happy the TL does not have that nonsense. There are a number of ares in which I do NOT like a car to take my decisions for me.
02-23-2005, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
Three words preclude me from even considering an Avalon... "NO MANUAL TRANSMISSION.
That's it, no consideration, no contest, no chance an Avalon will ever find a home in my garage.
Also, I have to say I am in FULL agreement with Road Rage when he writes,
"They would have to change a lot for me to consider that car over the TL - the Avalon is a "blue-hair car" around here, or for Consumer Reports types who really do not like cars, and like to be insulated. The Avalon is a smooth car, but if I wanted a cocoon, I would own an LS 430. I don't, and don't.
For me, gizmos like keyless ignition, automatic wipers, etc. only serve to insulate me from the driving experience - I like to be involved with the car, and if I cannot modulate the wiper speeds myself, I am ready for pasture.."
Amen. That's why I don't like automatic-on headlamps and am so happy the TL does not have that nonsense. There are a number of ares in which I do NOT like a car to take my decisions for me.
That's it, no consideration, no contest, no chance an Avalon will ever find a home in my garage.
Also, I have to say I am in FULL agreement with Road Rage when he writes,
"They would have to change a lot for me to consider that car over the TL - the Avalon is a "blue-hair car" around here, or for Consumer Reports types who really do not like cars, and like to be insulated. The Avalon is a smooth car, but if I wanted a cocoon, I would own an LS 430. I don't, and don't.
For me, gizmos like keyless ignition, automatic wipers, etc. only serve to insulate me from the driving experience - I like to be involved with the car, and if I cannot modulate the wiper speeds myself, I am ready for pasture.."
Amen. That's why I don't like automatic-on headlamps and am so happy the TL does not have that nonsense. There are a number of ares in which I do NOT like a car to take my decisions for me.
02-23-2005, 06:41 AM
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I have to agree that honda does not come close to toyota quality... do you want it fast or do you want it to last..
I find that the TL will have a lower resale unless you sell it to a gearhead since most people are more abusive on the honda than on the toyota. They see the car and driver specs and try to duplicate them. Of course there are plenty of people who do not drive tha way, but if the car is built for some performance who doesn't use it or abuse it from time to time.
The 04 tranny had to have an oil jet and while it is meant to reduce the failure you can read about it does not give many people a warm feelin about it.
I find that the TL will have a lower resale unless you sell it to a gearhead since most people are more abusive on the honda than on the toyota. They see the car and driver specs and try to duplicate them. Of course there are plenty of people who do not drive tha way, but if the car is built for some performance who doesn't use it or abuse it from time to time.
The 04 tranny had to have an oil jet and while it is meant to reduce the failure you can read about it does not give many people a warm feelin about it.
03-12-2005, 10:36 PM
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I own a 05 Tl SSM/Q/Navi and have driven the Avalon Limited.
Mo comparison the TL is a drivers car, the Avalon is a GRANDPARENTS car.
The Avalon leens heavy into the over 60 club with it's large interior, no xm, sluggish/tour boat handling.
Don't get me wrong the Avalon is a good car, but I LOVE MY TL WAY MORE !!!!.
That's my
Mo comparison the TL is a drivers car, the Avalon is a GRANDPARENTS car.
The Avalon leens heavy into the over 60 club with it's large interior, no xm, sluggish/tour boat handling.
Don't get me wrong the Avalon is a good car, but I LOVE MY TL WAY MORE !!!!.
That's my
03-13-2005, 09:07 AM
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Did you look at the 04 or 05 Avalon? The 05 is all new and has XM radio available. I will agree it isn't as sporty and the TL, but has some features I wish the TL had.
Michael
Did you look at the 04 or 05 Avalon? The 05 is all new and has XM radio available. I will agree it isn't as sporty and the TL, but has some features I wish the TL had.
Michael
05-09-2005, 05:51 PM
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I continued to see this car parking along side the street recently, it makes me wonder if I should go to test drive it and feel how it performs... 
Anyone ever had a chance to encounter or drive this car? Just curious. Thanks.
Anyone ever had a chance to encounter or drive this car? Just curious. Thanks.
05-09-2005, 06:08 PM
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Test drove an '05 Avalon Limited. Seriously considered the purchase until we drove and bought the '05 TL.
Basically, apples and oranges. The Avalon has that seriously soft ride and, as someone earlier put it, steer-by-wire. We were considering it because there's a Toyota dealer in town and the nearest Acura dealer is 100 miles away.
In the end, we had no use for that limo-like back seat, and we like to have a little more fun driving. Personally, I don't see any features the Avalon had that I think I'm missing in the TL.
<shrugs shoulders>YMMV. I hope the TL requires minimal if any serious warrany work. That's the only thing I really wondered about before choosing the TL over the Avalon.
Basically, apples and oranges. The Avalon has that seriously soft ride and, as someone earlier put it, steer-by-wire. We were considering it because there's a Toyota dealer in town and the nearest Acura dealer is 100 miles away.
In the end, we had no use for that limo-like back seat, and we like to have a little more fun driving. Personally, I don't see any features the Avalon had that I think I'm missing in the TL.
<shrugs shoulders>YMMV. I hope the TL requires minimal if any serious warrany work. That's the only thing I really wondered about before choosing the TL over the Avalon.
05-09-2005, 09:33 PM
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Avalon vs TL
I have been comparing the 2 models. I have driven the XLS Avalon with some of the goodies. I REALLY liked the JBL stereo. The console was well thought out as was the whole interior. There was tons of room in the back seat
The car is incredibly smooth and quiet. A very well made car. The XM radio looks like a half assed idea in design and implementation. I was interested in a LIMITED but was told they cannot be had around here. The one item I really wanted was the ventilated seats but they are not available in the XLS and no memory seats or HID are available on the XLS either. If the Limited were available
I would give it some serious consideration.
I will be pullng the trigger on a DGP w/Nav this week. I just need to decide on Parchment or Camel interior. Still trying to get a better price
The car is incredibly smooth and quiet. A very well made car. The XM radio looks like a half assed idea in design and implementation. I was interested in a LIMITED but was told they cannot be had around here. The one item I really wanted was the ventilated seats but they are not available in the XLS and no memory seats or HID are available on the XLS either. If the Limited were available
I would give it some serious consideration.
I will be pullng the trigger on a DGP w/Nav this week. I just need to decide on Parchment or Camel interior. Still trying to get a better price
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It was bad enough that we had to endure the indignity of the TL being compared to a Nissan Maxima. Now a Toyota? What's next? Hyundai anyone? A Ross 3-speed bicycle with a banana seat?
The Acura TL is a luxury car, not a pre-modded Accord, people.
BJ
The Acura TL is a luxury car, not a pre-modded Accord, people.
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05-09-2005, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by AcuraDon
I have been comparing the 2 models. I have driven the XLS Avalon with some of the goodies. I REALLY liked the JBL stereo. The console was well thought out as was the whole interior. There was tons of room in the back seat
The car is incredibly smooth and quiet. A very well made car. The XM radio looks like a half assed idea in design and implementation. I was interested in a LIMITED but was told they cannot be had around here. The one item I really wanted was the ventilated seats but they are not available in the XLS and no memory seats or HID are available on the XLS either. If the Limited were available
I would give it some serious consideration.
I will be pullng the trigger on a DGP w/Nav this week. I just need to decide on Parchment or Camel interior. Still trying to get a better price
The car is incredibly smooth and quiet. A very well made car. The XM radio looks like a half assed idea in design and implementation. I was interested in a LIMITED but was told they cannot be had around here. The one item I really wanted was the ventilated seats but they are not available in the XLS and no memory seats or HID are available on the XLS either. If the Limited were available
I would give it some serious consideration.
I will be pullng the trigger on a DGP w/Nav this week. I just need to decide on Parchment or Camel interior. Still trying to get a better price
05-09-2005, 10:56 PM
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What is the cr*p about old guys cars?
Excuse my grumpness, I am closer to 67 than 66 and I have an 05 TL
with ASPEC suspension, CompTech RSB, Tinting and BlueLed interior lights.
While reading this thread I got a little irritated with all of the disparaging
remarks about "old guys" and "blue haired people".
Just because someone has a few trips around the block doesn't mean they
don't enjoy what life has to offer...In my case a quick, well handling TL.
Jerry
with ASPEC suspension, CompTech RSB, Tinting and BlueLed interior lights.
While reading this thread I got a little irritated with all of the disparaging
remarks about "old guys" and "blue haired people".
Just because someone has a few trips around the block doesn't mean they
don't enjoy what life has to offer...In my case a quick, well handling TL.
Jerry
05-10-2005, 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by GrayFox
Excuse my grumpness, I am closer to 67 than 66 and I have an 05 TL
with ASPEC suspension, CompTech RSB, Tinting and BlueLed interior lights.
While reading this thread I got a little irritated with all of the disparaging
remarks about "old guys" and "blue haired people".
Just because someone has a few trips around the block doesn't mean they
don't enjoy what life has to offer...In my case a quick, well handling TL.
Jerry
with ASPEC suspension, CompTech RSB, Tinting and BlueLed interior lights.
While reading this thread I got a little irritated with all of the disparaging
remarks about "old guys" and "blue haired people".
Just because someone has a few trips around the block doesn't mean they
don't enjoy what life has to offer...In my case a quick, well handling TL.
Jerry
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Originally Posted by SnappyPappy
Right on brother! Plus the money to buy said conveyance. . .!
Well said. I just turned 60 and enjoy driving my 04 TL. It took me a long time to be able to afford a car like this and I'm still young enough to enjoy it. Look at Paul Newman, still racing after all these years.