Anyone transplant a RL Driveline in TL
06-07-2007, 01:32 AM
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Anyone transplant a RL Driveline in TL
Hey any of you acura gear heads out there every try to transplant a 3G RL driveline into a 3G TL? I have always imagined that somewhere there must be a RL with a Salvage Title and a willing 2007 TLS to take the SH-AWD driveline!
06-07-2007, 06:57 AM
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To be perfectly honest this exact idea has been on my mind for quite some time now. To transplant SH-AWD into my car. I wonder how much would be involved in something like that. I think it would be worth it cause the FWD is the only thing holding me back from SC'ing my car cause I just feel that I already have too much power for FWD. Supercharging it would just be ridiculous.
06-07-2007, 08:08 AM
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The wheelbase on the RL is 110.2"
The wheelbase on the TL-S is 107.9"
That means right away, there's already going to be a custom driveshaft needed... who knows what else will need to be changed out, extended, cut, etc.
Sounds possible, but would take some mechanical knowledge, machine shop work, and some free time!
The wheelbase on the TL-S is 107.9"
That means right away, there's already going to be a custom driveshaft needed... who knows what else will need to be changed out, extended, cut, etc.
Sounds possible, but would take some mechanical knowledge, machine shop work, and some free time!
06-07-2007, 10:28 AM
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Isn't the SH-AWD what makes the RL heavy? Given that, adding SH-AWD to the TL would make it just as heavy and be a pain. I think it makes more sense to swap a 6MT into the RL.
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06-07-2007, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by your_mom
Isn't the SH-AWD what makes the RL heavy? Given that, adding SH-AWD to the TL would make it just as heavy and be a pain. I think it makes more sense to swap a 6MT into the RL.
06-07-2007, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by johnny--2k
because they are god awful heavy (not that the TL is a featherweight though) and no option for a 6MT.
06-07-2007, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 94eg!
So you want 6MT w/ AWD right? Then please explain how your gonna attach the AWD system to your 6MT TL without bringing the RL's auto tranny too...
Ummm, well, if you read my posts, I am not. Dont think it would be feasable or cost efficient. That's why I said, wait for the 4G TL with the SH-AWD and possibly (most likely) a 6MT.
06-07-2007, 12:56 PM
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FWIW - If I can keep my TL without sending it packing for some odd reason and depending upon what's new on the TL in the coming years... I'm thinking on a complete repower, re-tranny and re-rearend. Much easier to use the TL "shell" and start from the ground up with the driveline from something completely different rather than hoping things would "line up" using a sibling vehicle... There would definitely be a whole bunch of fabrication needed and a guy would need to pretty much scrap his ride doing so, but I think the TL would be silly fun with say a GTO or Mustang driveline in it.
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06-07-2007, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by fish008
Nothing like some low tech american muscle - in a well put together Acura. I would be ashamed to tell someone I did that, even if it made it much faster.
Sad to say, but you need to look a lot further down the list to find an Acura/Honda product.
Sooooo, it may actually be an "improvement?"
06-07-2007, 03:53 PM
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Ha... whats funny? Recent surveys have Buick and Ford rated better (#1, #2, and #3) in initial quality than Toyota Camry (#4) and the Taurus gets (#5)
Sad to say, but you need to look a lot further down the list to find an Acura/Honda product.
Sooooo, it may actually be an "improvement?"
Sad to say, but you need to look a lot further down the list to find an Acura/Honda product.
Sooooo, it may actually be an "improvement?"
What R U Drinkin' ?
06-07-2007, 06:00 PM
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Honda/Acura build their cars well...
They build FWD cars well... The TL-S is a perfect example. The car screams, kills many RWD competitors on the track, and has VERY impressive skidpad numbers.
AWD is NOT everything, and I'm not sure I would like it as much if it had AWD. More weight, more robbed horsepower, and worse gas mileage. All for what, a better launch? I for one enjoy still getting 30+MPG in a near 300hp car...
The lack of low end torque, but improved top end with a Vtec engine REALLY suites a FWD set-up. With AWD, you wouldn't have that much benifit, unless you're in the rain of couse, or going WOT around corners.
Unless the car gets an additional 50hp as well, AWD will be completely useless. I hope they don't do that...
They build FWD cars well... The TL-S is a perfect example. The car screams, kills many RWD competitors on the track, and has VERY impressive skidpad numbers.
AWD is NOT everything, and I'm not sure I would like it as much if it had AWD. More weight, more robbed horsepower, and worse gas mileage. All for what, a better launch? I for one enjoy still getting 30+MPG in a near 300hp car...
The lack of low end torque, but improved top end with a Vtec engine REALLY suites a FWD set-up. With AWD, you wouldn't have that much benifit, unless you're in the rain of couse, or going WOT around corners.
Unless the car gets an additional 50hp as well, AWD will be completely useless. I hope they don't do that...
06-07-2007, 06:41 PM
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My old 98 Audi A4 was AWD Quattro 2.8 260-280 miles to the full tank
my friends 98 fwd A4 300-350 to full tank average
awd = heavy,less millage
but fun to drive track days even more so
my friends 98 fwd A4 300-350 to full tank average
awd = heavy,less millage
but fun to drive track days even more so
06-07-2007, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by S PAW 1
What R U Drinkin' ?
You want the real shizzle behind my post, follow the link....
http://ultimatesnowmobiler.com/forum...ic=14673&st=15
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06-07-2007, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 94eg!
LOLWTF?
Best thing I've seen in a while. I ordered 1 set for each car...
Best thing I've seen in a while. I ordered 1 set for each car...
06-08-2007, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by onsknth
Quite amuzing yes... BUT as a poor man's AWD it theoretically could work and you could still make turns, it just needs some sort of mechanism to keep the belt/chain from hitting the side of the vehicle.
06-08-2007, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Converted
You guys are aware that product is a joke, right?
06-08-2007, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by onsknth
Ha... whats funny? Recent surveys have Buick and Ford rated better (#1, #2, and #3) in initial quality than Toyota Camry (#4) and the Taurus gets (#5)
Sad to say, but you need to look a lot further down the list to find an Acura/Honda product.
Sooooo, it may actually be an "improvement?"
Sad to say, but you need to look a lot further down the list to find an Acura/Honda product.
Sooooo, it may actually be an "improvement?"
06-08-2007, 10:26 AM
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awd would be hot, but for less weight,money, and less conversion hassle, how about rwd?
plus its more fun to drive imo...
plus its more fun to drive imo...
That would cost more money because you would be dealing with ALL custom parts, instead of just adapting an existing drivetrain to a similar vehicle.
Imagine how difficult it would be to turn the engine 90*, mount a custom transmission (adaptors, custom flywheel & clutch system). And you'll probably still have to use the RL rear end anyways.
06-08-2007, 11:29 AM
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RWD can be done...
http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1645997
Link taken from this thread:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188358
Easy? No. Doable? Yes.
http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1645997
Link taken from this thread:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188358
Easy? No. Doable? Yes.
06-08-2007, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by chill_dog
Build up thread (WARNING: 135 pages long
):http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=981613
Finished product:
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1984171
06-08-2007, 05:03 PM
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if anyone could fit an RL driveline to a TL, it would be the ultimate MOD. Honda reliability built in! Only major thing needed is probably a shorter central carbon fiber driveshaft for the TL!
06-08-2007, 07:23 PM
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please don't flame me on this... could the driveshaft have a segment cut off the have it reattached? i mean like a peice off the end, then reattach to the differential...
06-08-2007, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by HQTL6SPD
please don't flame me on this... could the driveshaft have a segment cut off the have it reattached? i mean like a peice off the end, then reattach to the differential...
06-09-2007, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 94eg!
Usually they just cut a segment out of the middle. As long as re-welded properly, and balanced, it would work...
Other issues besides the wheelbase mismatch...
Room for the transfer case and the rear differential. Not sure if there would be enough room for that under the TL.
Modifications to the exhaust. I attached a link to a video that was done that showcases the underbody of the RL. It's pretty impressive.
As far as the RL being heavy, yes it is, but the SH-AWD really minimizes that when you begin to toss it around. It really handles well. You guys should wander over to the RL forum. LOt's of TL to RL converts there who have really fallen in love with this car.
Again, check out the video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...acura+RL&hl=en
06-09-2007, 10:25 PM
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This one is a little better quality, but you need to copy and paste in in the address bar.
http://video.vtec.net/05/05jun/05rl_tovundercar.wmv
http://video.vtec.net/05/05jun/05rl_tovundercar.wmv
06-09-2007, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Converted
Honda/Acura build their cars well...
They build FWD cars well... The TL-S is a perfect example. The car screams, kills many RWD competitors on the track, and has VERY impressive skidpad numbers.
AWD is NOT everything, and I'm not sure I would like it as much if it had AWD. More weight, more robbed horsepower, and worse gas mileage. All for what, a better launch? I for one enjoy still getting 30+MPG in a near 300hp car...
The lack of low end torque, but improved top end with a Vtec engine REALLY suites a FWD set-up. With AWD, you wouldn't have that much benifit, unless you're in the rain of couse, or going WOT around corners.
Unless the car gets an additional 50hp as well, AWD will be completely useless. I hope they don't do that...
They build FWD cars well... The TL-S is a perfect example. The car screams, kills many RWD competitors on the track, and has VERY impressive skidpad numbers.
AWD is NOT everything, and I'm not sure I would like it as much if it had AWD. More weight, more robbed horsepower, and worse gas mileage. All for what, a better launch? I for one enjoy still getting 30+MPG in a near 300hp car...
The lack of low end torque, but improved top end with a Vtec engine REALLY suites a FWD set-up. With AWD, you wouldn't have that much benifit, unless you're in the rain of couse, or going WOT around corners.
Unless the car gets an additional 50hp as well, AWD will be completely useless. I hope they don't do that...