EMF213

Monday night I decided to see if I could take avantage of the super low pricing on the '06 TLs. I went back to the dealer where I got my '04 TL (NBP/Ebony, 5AT, NON-Navi with everything ASpec except the steering wheel).

I ended up doing the deal, but they gave me next to nothing for the ASpec on the trade. They said they were clearing out '06 TLs (standard mind you) for 28.8k and that they couldn't give me the 27k I wanted on my trade-in.....too hard to sell my car when someone can buy an 06 for such a low price. I argued with them for 30 minutes saying that I basically have $5k in optional equipment that they're giving me nothing for.

Anyway, has anyone traded an ASpec recently? Mind if I ask what you got for it? My car has 19,700 miles and is immaculate!!!

I still think I got a good deal; $30.6k for and 06 ASM with Navi!! But I really thnk they shorted me on the trade. Thanks.

pimpin-tl

Now they will sell it for like 28-30k.

Dealers like to rip people off and give stories like that.

dan.....k

iTrader: (1)

Why did you trade an 04 for an 06?

MichaelBenz

iTrader: (2)

Yes...you arent gonna get a return on the A-Spec kit at all. Thats just the way it is....

EMF213

That what I told them they'd do!! B@stards!!

EMF213

Kinda wanted the Navi and a different color.....got tired of Black. Also, the seats are better and I decided I liked the original 17" wheels again...

Plus the firm ride started to bug me a bit....getting old I guess. LOL!!

Oh yeah.....Plus my payment went DOWN!!!

jupitersolo

The Aspec kit really isn't that expensive, it's the labor that the dealer charges to put the damn thing on that's expensive. You got a pretty good deal on the '06, it makes up a little for the low trade-in.

jimmyl729

take out ur a-spec kit parts and sell them separately on ebay or something.

put back the original parts and bring it back to the dealer for trade-in.

i think you can do better than 30.6k at this point of the year since they need to clear out, why not try negotiating longer or going to another dealership?

dan.....k

iTrader: (1)

I understand. It sucks that dealerships aren't giving any extra for A-spec.

mlody

Well here is how the A-spec works. Basically what you got right now is a nice TL with different wheels that is lowered and a fancy body kit. Well wheels and suspension it is a swap – so if you have original parts, just swap them and sell A-spec wheels and suspension separately. The body kit retails for about $800, so on a used car the kit is probably worth $200-300 more if that. The kit is expensive because you are paying twice for wheels and suspension which you later on can’t recap unless sell original or a-spec parts separately. unless you find an enthusiast, such person might be willing to pay you perhaps $1000 more over the regular TL for the parts you got, any dealer with probably pay you 200-300 more because it has body kit and anything else will not count. Good luck on sale/trade

neuronbob

To answer the OP's question, I traded my 04 A-Spec with 56k miles for an 06 RL two months ago. I got a good deal on the trade. The dealer is now selling my old car for $25k.

pohljm

unless a complete moron walks onto the lot there is no chance in hell that you could sell a non navi 04 for that when you can get a non navi 06 for 29K

jupitersolo

The bodykit at a dealer is going to cost at least $1000, in most cases more.

hondacuraworld.com sells it for $825 or so at regular. He did a special for $800 shipped a couple months ago. Then there's what the dealer charges for the install $600 or so.

ndabunka

Although you didn't come right out and say it, it sounds like the low price on the new car makes up for any shortage. Hey, the dealerships got to make their money someonwhere, right? In any case, like others have said, the retail price of a kit has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the trade in value of that exact same kit. Fact is, an A-Spec and a non-A-Spec will probably bring the exact same trade value. It also sounds like your's wasn't REALLY a full A-Spec anyway (in that you didn't have the steering wheel and ALL true FULL A-Spec's came with the wheel). Maybe that was another reasons they didn't bump upi the trade any? So, did you have the A-Spec suspension and the 18" A-Spec wheels as well? Either way, congrats on the new ride.

SuperStar

I was offered 29.5k trade in on my 05 navi aspec TL with 14k on the clock, 6+ weeks ago.

ndabunka

Superstar - No offense but your statement doesn't mean anything since it has no reference points. You were offered $29.5K on "what"? Dealers offer high numbers all the time (and in return give no discouts on the new car) and therefore, it's more like an offer for $26.5K (i.r. $3K discount on new). Next time, provide reference details if you want to help.

EMF213

Thanks for the responses everyone. I agree that what made the deal work for me was that I got such a good price on the 06 with navi....basically $2k under invoice. However, I do feel that if Acura expects the buying public to spend such high amounts for accessories (maybe they don't) they need to value them at least a little if/when the car comes back.

A car with Navi v. one without gets a better trade-in value, therefore why wouldn't a car with a $1000 body kit, $2000 wheels, $400 spoiler $800 suspension, etc....??

I flat out told the salesperson and his manager that I won't be making the "accessories mistake" again. Granted, cars are NOT investments, but heck, if you want to charge me $5k for accessories, you'd better give me SOMETHING for them on the back end....

Hybrid

Accessories are only worth something on the back end (trade-in) if prospective buyers of the car will pay more for them. Sometimes they will, and sometimes they won't. That's actually part of the problem. Many buyers wouldn't want an Aspec kit, and would probably pay more for a car the DIDN'T have it. It would be kind of like a manual transmission, where the used car market for them is limited, and most people don't want it, and therefore it can hurt resale value on some cars.

winstrolvtec

My dealer told me that there is no listed book value on the package. So a fair price would be $2500 added to the current book value, or half the value of the package more, which is what you can usually get for added options, packages, etc. Problem is not every dealer is fair. I think becuase you stole a car in their eyes, that they were gonna get it somewhere else.

SuperStar

Ahh, good point. They offered 26.5k trade in on the pricing I wanted for an 04 FX45 tech/sport/winter. They gave me another 3k for the ASPEC. (Which I laughed at on the inside) (bringing trade in up to 29.5k) If memory serves me right the FX45 price was 33k, so it was 4.5k + TTL. (FX had 18k on the clock)

I decided against this for a few personal reasons, mainly not being able to live with the FX navigation and deciding that I already had an suv and didnt want another.

As a side note, this was about 2 weeks before the 07 TL's were released.

SuperStar

Just realized I cant subtract, 3.5k difference.

futrTLowner

i know its not kinda on this same topic..but i seen a 05 white aspec TL that had clear bra, n wood trim with 20k on it goin for 35!! i was very astonished when i seen this..seein i just bought my 06 white/ebony navi for 31! granted no aspec or what not but stil..so i can see them tryin to sell an 04 for 29-30k!

dealers r scumbags..well most

jupitersolo

Well when I first started looking at TL's it was going to be a used 04. The website said it was Aspec and it had an Aspec price, when I got there it was just the bodykit. I asked the sales rep to get me more information on it, but the guy that listed the car wasn't there.

If someone didn't know what they were looking for the may have bought it at that price with just the bodykit.

EMF213

Well, I picked up my 06 ASM/Ebony Navi TL on Friday. I told the dealer that although I did the deal and I'm happy with my decision, they left a bad taste with me for giving me nothing for my ASpec kit. They didn't care and stuck to their argurement that they can't sell the car for any more than a stanard TL because the 06 left-overs are so cheap.
I obviously didn't expect to re-write the sale agreement since I already signed it. But I did ask if they could get me the body kit and lip spoiler at cost or something. In an attempt to "help" the situation, my salesman goes to talk to his manager and comes back 5 minutes later with what they claim is "their cost" on the accessories (labor included)....

$1750!!!

I said, "You're kidding, right??" to which he said "No, the lip spoiler is $500, alone..."

Well, needless to say, I said no, thanks.......$crew me a little more why don't you!!!

The Service manager, who knows me, later said he'd see what he could do to help me out, which I appreciated. But he11, I can buy the lip spoiler on Ebay for $285 and install it my self!! They also tried to tell me that it takes TWO HOURS of labor time to put it on!! Gimme a break!! The spoiler on my last TL took the guy 20 minutes....

EMF213

Oh, forgot to mention....

I LOVE the 06 AND the Navi!!! So, yes, I AM happy with my decision....

Seems like Acura fixed/made better a bunch of things from 04-06. The seats: much better! The doors not slamming shut on my shins: a definite PLUS!! The leather on the steering wheel: feels more durable and looks more matted to me. The shifter feels more solid and doesn't click as much. And even the suspension and steering feel seems tighter!! My 04 (pre ASpec) had tons of body roll!! But the 06 with stock suspension, wheels and tires has a slightly softer, more comfortable ride with LESS body roll. NICE!!

Love the car....and the Navi and voice commands are SWEET!!

bstansbu

Congrats on your 06 upgrade. i couldnt agree with you more. I have an 06 6sp Navi also. This was the first ca I have ever had that had Navi. I will never buy another car again that does not have a navi system. im hooked. BEN

EMF213

Thanks. I'm hooked also. Previously, I always figured I didn't need NAv because I generally know where I'm going.....But,
on Saturday I drove out of state to go play golf. Trip took approx. an hour and twenty minutes; the TL babe guided me there perfectly!! Awesome!!

mlody

I can believe that A-spec could cost about $1750 including labor if they find a sucker who leaves them all the parts!! Lets say it takes 8 hours for a tech to put everything together – lets assume the tech gets paid $30 per hours so the cost would be about $240 for labor give or take $100 or so. That leaves about $1500 for parts. In most cases they will likely claim old parts and make money reselling them or perhaps returning as an overstock or something – god knows what they do. So here it how it goes - they put new steering wheel, they will claim old one, they put new wheels/tires, they will claim old one, they put new suspension, they will claim old one, they will put side skirts, they will claim old one. The only things that they will not get in return are front and rear body kit parts and A-spec badges. If they are high volume dealer, they really easy could unload old parts in a month or less for repairs/warranty claims and make tons of $$