jsw

I have been reading this excellent forum regarding the 2004 TL. I am seriously thinking about purchasing the TL and I am curious if anyone has a major reason not to do this. I have read all of the messages about the glove box, tires, and memory seats but these seem like they are getting fixed. Are there any major flaws that people have found in the car?

I have looked at the 2004 BMW 5 series and determined that there is no comparision with the TL by the time you are charged extra for all of the additional basic add ons that people generally purchase.

I am in the Dallas area and have been offered $1,500 off the non nav version and only $500 off the car with nav. Anyone know if this is reasonable.

adam209

the only downfall is that you won't want to get out of the car 500 off msrp for navi seems good but you probably could get 250-500 more off if you work at it.

BrandHdriver

You should be able to get $2k off MSRP for a non-NAV car. Both dealerships in Austin will give you this deal.

I have S/N 315XX, Feb. build, and I have had no problems w/ 600 miles on the car.

BrandHdriver

JoganJani

I'll say go with the Nav. You'd love it.

wonderboy

I saw a brand new black/black one in the parking lot today, looks really sharp. Kinda felt jealous and I have an 03 TL-S. Too late now!

gordon_gekko

Welcome,


I say try and find the best deal on a TL w/nav and you won't be disappointed

webster

Yes....the new Volvo S40 !

Skeedatl

While I think the 5-Series is a better driving car, I don't think it's $20,000 better. If you're looking for a great looking, reliable cruiser you'll be hard pressed finding more value in a car than the TL.

That said I don't have Navi 'cause between the shortage and the discounts on non-Navi it meant an extra $3000 and not getting my color choice. Now after hearing all the cool features you get with navi, 8" screen, dynamic solar sensing climate control and voice control; I'm regretting it.

If it's in your budget you should get navi...this coming from someone regretting not having Navi.

lflorack

Wasn't for me! I had an '03 TL-S. great car. Saw the '04 TL and fell in love! Traded the '03 in and am very happy.

BlackSunshine

It's not free? That's the only reason I can think of not to get it.

Although... If I continue to find more things wrong with it's build quality, my answer may change. I left the domestic market for the import market years ago based on quality and value. This first week is definitely putting that theory to the test.

Z Factor

Very few here regret having bought their TL's, so I would say the answer is no.

jimthegreek

None whatsoever.. its a great car...

Im selling mine, but thats only because I want a convertible car

TL_6SPD

WWD

crk1216

I just traded my '02 TL-S for a '04 Navi.....best decision I have ever made in my life. This car is a dream!!!! I do agree with Skee the 530 is a much better car...but not for the money..keep your $20,000 get the TL-Navi.

vtechbrain

The Volvo s60 does not stand a candle to the TL, the s40 does not a candle to the Accord, never mind the TL. Actually the TL is higher ranked than the s80!

DohNuts

I agree...and the all-new S40 is based on the Ford Focus platform, so it's likely to be a lot smaller inside than the TL; even the S60 is probably smaller.

Tecworld

The S40 is decent competition for a TSX, especially the Turbo 5.

As for any downside with the TL, I'd only say there are lighter, crisper handling cars, and RWD or AWD cars. That's about it.

doogles

The only thing that I can think of after having driven mine for 500 miles is the torque steer. And this is only a (mild) problem(?...some actually like it) on twisting roads where I am accelerating strongly. Pretty hard to one-hand the wheel, at least until I know the car better. On the open highway, it's not a problem. It just takes a bit more concentration than if you are driving RWD. But I think, with all things considered, that this is still a better deal than a bimmer, and a better all-around car than the G35 (better interior, FWD is better in snow) so I am glad that I made the choice I did. Other than that, I couldn't be happier--there is fantastic power, the car is very quiet inside, and driving the 6MT is like slicing a warm knife through butter--I drove my 5MT Accord for 10 years and couldn't drive it as smoothly as I drive my TL. Did I mention the XM, which absolutely rocks...?

guia x

The only thing I don't like about my 04 TL is that I don't have a bluetooth phone to use with it. But that's the phone companies fault for not putting out a nice phone that I like. Other than that I have no regrets. Well maybe that I got the 5AT instead of the 6MT, but I don't regret it when I stuck in traffic.

BTW, I also recommend getting the Navi. I don't know how I could ever buy a car without one ever since we bought our MDX with Navi. The TL's Navi is even better. The best option you could ever get on a car.

webster

And I assume you have driven the new S40 ??????

webster

The new S40 is FWD

Peter7777

My only quibble is that the accelerator pedal requires a bit more force to push down on than in my old Buick. Other than that bit of trivia the TL is just about perfect.

Turbowhat2

TL is a great car. So is a G35 Coupe. Most people from both parties enjoy their cars.