Aman

"Fast" is all relative. I thought my car was fast, coming from a 110 horsepower car with a 3AT. But a jet fighter pilot probably thinks the Veyron is nothing.

e30cabrio

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Sure compared to walking a model T is fast.

civicdrivr

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I stopped reading when I saw

swoosh

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^^^

how did i miss that LMAO !!!

e30cabrio

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The lols keep coming.

Dave_B

You didn't know that his 6MT is able to have the next gear outlapping the current gear on the shift like a VW's DSG-type sequential manual or most any late model automatic?

Dave_B

You're the only person I know of that looks at low fuel as a weight reduction mod. It's as if you're assuming all other cars on the road run fully fueled all the time That's also the heaviest spare tire I've heard of.



Just for a frame of reference, here are Top 10 350Z VQ35DE NA bolt-on times. These are verified and legit times. Even the 25th spot is a 13.4@105mph. Point is, these cars on average are .5 to .7 secons and 3mph+ faster than a bolt-on 6MT TL. They make more power (typically in the 265-270whp range), have a fatter powerband, deeper factory gearing, and most importantly, they're lighter (3,250-3,300lbs). I'll just leave it as this and let you believe what you want.

1. AudibleMayhem ---Built Block -03 Tour 6spd 12.338@110.18mph 1.700 60ft
2. Sfarrah ----------------------03 Enth 6spd 12.876@107.81mph 1.750 60ft
3. Aceman -----------------------03 Base 6spd 13.005@106.55mph 1.926 60ft
4. Veetec -----------------------04 Base 6spd 13.010@105.69mph 1.804 60ft
5. 03threefiftyz ----------------03 Tour 6spd 13.027@107.39mph 1.970 60ft
6. Alberto ----------------------03 Trac 6spd 13.131@107.15mph 1.895 60ft
7. ajcool2 ----------------------04 Tour Auto 13.138@105.90mph 1.919 60ft
8. denchan350gt -------- Coupe --04 G35_ Auto 13.147@107.12mph 1.898 60ft
9. Cripplegto -------------------04 Enth 6spd 13.170@104.23mph 1.818 60ft
10. DayBlueZ --------------------04 Tour Auto 13.170@103.19mph 1.922 60ft

anx1300c

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[QUOTE=DisgustipatedAP1;13241754]My TL weighs roughly 300 lbs less than your Type S (if it's 6MT 400~ lbs less if it's 5AT) and has more whp. And I shift faster than your GF, no contest.




[QUOTE=DisgustipatedAP1;13249930]Already have, look around. But I'll do it again just to humor you.




18 gallon tank, 3 gallons = -90 lbs
Spare tire removed = -34 lbs
Lightweight wheels + lighter tires (roughly 1.5 lbs lighter each tire than the 235/45/17 Michelin's I had on before) = 25 lbs
Bolt-ons removed = 30-40 lbs
Windshield washer fluid gone = 5 lbs
Owners manual/stuff out = 2 lbs (LOL)
Floormats gone = 5 lbs

Total = at least 190 lbs less than stock

It's just silly to count consumable fluids as weight reduction when calling out another car's owner. Anyone can remove their spare, jack, tools, mats, run their car down to empty.

Like I said before, a TL-S 6MT has a curb weight of 3559 lbs, end of story. Base 6MT is 3482 w/o navigation; that's 77 lbs.

Now add about 35 lbs for your bolt ons and 25 for your wheels for a total of of 137, a far cry from 300.

paperboy42190

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o man guys so much mess and arguing in this thread. can someone just have some cold hard facts(WITH SOURCES) about the weight and power of each car?

swoosh

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another thing OP....about exaggeration....

i just copy pasted this from Innacurates thread...and he is the one who practically "invented" weight loss for the TL....

90lbs compared to 44 pounds LOL....unless ur fuel tank is 36 gallons LOL.... :snickers:

link to the post for weight loss:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=877

anx1300c

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So it's looking like a distinct possibility the factory weight difference is even less than I always thought...interesting.


http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/AcuraTL-S/

TL-S 6MT- 3559 lbs.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...7-lexus-is-350

TL-S 6MT- 3525 lbs

http://www.caranddriver.com/features..._type-s_page_5

TL-S 6MT -3515 lbs

http://www.insideline.com/acura/tl/2...-acura-tl.html

Base TL 6MT- 3489 lbs


http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...mparison_tests

Base TL 6MT- 3480 lbs

anx1300c

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Well, that's a mistake on Innacurate's part. A gallon of gas weighs 6-7 lbs, so 13 x 6.5 = 84.5, or 14 x 6.5 = 91

swoosh

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^^^ really ? I thought it was more like 3-4 pounds and hence ~13 gallons = 39-52 pounds and hence I quoted Inaccurate...well....my bad....

here is post from answers.yahoo dot com
8*.74 = 5.92

13.5*5.92 = 79.92lbs less if he is running 17.2-13.5 which is 3.7 gallons

anx1300c

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I think it changes weight depending on temperature, but I could be wrong. Regardless, it's around 6 lbs or a bit more.

BEAR-AvHistory

Just a quick post on the "slow" Fontana track.

This was posted at the other forum I visit. The results are consistant with other 135I reports from other tracks.

1/4 mile time 2011 n55 135i - 09-18-2011, 07:31 PM

i race my car today at fontana speedway and it ran a
60... 1.745
330...5.134
1/8...7.978
MPH..85.43
1000...10.424
1/4...12.482
MPH..108.96
thanks to my jb3 and the guys at modbargin it will go faster if i now the best shift ponit

BTW to be fair the track goes up 15' start to finish.

DisgustipatedAP1

Are you trying to call me a liar or something? Everyone in SoCal knows that Fontana is one of the slowest tracks in the country. It's 1000' above sea level, hot as hell, the strip isn't very good and it runs uphill.

I guess 04accordcpe is a liar, another SoCal resident?

http://www..net/forums/7g-performanc...all-motor.html

135i running horrible times @ Fontana, and other 135i owners agreeing it's a shitty track.

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7856

Oh look, more SoCal resident liars.

http://forums.n54tech.com/showthread.php?t=12423

Would you like anymore? Or would you like to use your irrelevant example of some 135i running a decent time as 'proof' that I'm making excuses about Fontana's horrific times in comparison to good tracks?

P.S. The 135i you linked was running 100 octane.

DisgustipatedAP1

And how fast is a bolt-on TL, truly? I can't really find good, verifiable times for a 6MT TL at a good track. It's all over the place. And you're pulling 'best of the web' BS out: just because those 350z's are that fast doesn't mean the one I raced is anywhere near that level. Those are tuned etc. You act as if every G35 and 350z out there has the right bolt-ons and is that fast.
[QUOTE=anx1300c;13254114][QUOTE=DisgustipatedAP1;13241754]My TL weighs roughly 300 lbs less than your Type S (if it's 6MT 400~ lbs less if it's 5AT) and has more whp. And I shift faster than your GF, no contest.




How is it silly? Go to a road course, that's what weight scales are for. To weigh your car. I'm giving the weight of my car. Take it as you will.



So quick to jump to conclusions, and so rude.

BEAR-AvHistory

Take my comment however you want......You posted a whole bunch of times from guys who are obviously not afraid to run at Fontana & are willing to post their times bad or not. Something you will not do.

You are also the one making claims – 6/7 car length win after two major screw ups - that is well outside the limits of reasonability. When someone makes such claims its up to them to back them up with some kind of proof when challenged or suffer the reasonable doubts of the readers.

There are any number of ways to prove your claim but you have found a number of excuses not to try any of them. Since you are just another poster on the internet making an over the top claim without some kind of proof your claim IMHO has no merit.

The guy who posted the 135i time was running 100 octane because he runs a turbo charger modded with a juice box (his post clearly says a JB3) & anyone can generally get 100 octane fuel at the track if they need it, even at lot of Sunoco stations that sell it at the pump. I will be running 93 octane in my JB4 with maybe a little 100/130 av-gas to sweeten it.

BEAR-AvHistory

DRAG TIMES QUICKEST TL LIST

1) 13.125* 107.100 8.554 83.880 2.110 Acura TL 2005 Paul R.
2) 13.320* 107.000 2.300 Acura TL Supercharger 2004 Brett
3) 13.700*+ 101.630 Acura TL A-Spec 6sp 2006 Al
4) 13.751*^ 102.830 8.918 80.430 2.118 Acura TL Supercharger 2005 Paul R.
5) 14.088* 100.650 9.119 78.110 2.121 Acura TL 2004 pierce fleming
6) 14.110* 99.010 9.090 78.220 2.142 Acura TL 6mt 2004 Pierce Fleming
7) 14.270 99.430 9.270 77.680 2.220 Acura TL Type S 5at 2007 Ricardo Villa
8) 14.290 98.870 9.347 78.880 2.290 Acura TL TL 2005 Alex Sukhorukov
9) 14.300*# 99.000 Acura TL A-Spec 2004 NA
10) 14.374* 97.630 9.336 76.060 2.236 Acura TL type s 2007 David Arias

11) 14.374* 97.120 9.317 77.380 2.230 Acura TL Type S 5AT 2007 JP Bearcat
12) 14.410*# 99.100 Acura TL SH-AWD 2009 NA
13) 14.500# 99.000 Acura TL 2004 NA
14) 14.516# 98.720 9.520 77.850 2.386 Acura TL 2005 Alex Sukhorukov
15) 14.590 96.800 Acura TL 2005 Jairo
16) 14.620# 96.000 9.425 75.130 2.201 Acura TL sh-awd 2009 na
17) 14.780*# 94.400 Acura TL 2004 NA
18) 14.790 93.390 9.510 73.950 2.208 Acura TL 2002 Brandon Webster
19) 14.810*# 96.710 Acura TL SH-AWD 2009 NA
20) 14.812 97.280 9.702 75.880 2.405 Acura TL 2004 craig lewis

Its not on the list but the quickest modified 6MT TL from a member here that I saw posted was a 13.9 @ 100mph Looks like it takes a Supercharger to make a big advance.

BTW some of these guys like "Bearcat" post here.

anx1300c

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[QUOTE=anx1300c;13254114]It's silly to say your car weighs 300 lbs less than a TL-S 6MT simply because it doesn't; not even close. You don't seem to be able to comprehend that.


How am I jumping to conclusions or being rude by saying Inaccurate made a mistake when calculating the weight savings by reducing the amount of fuel one keeps in their gas tank? I read something that was stated, and based on easily obtainable factual information, found it to be in error.


To give you a quick example of one being "rude", here's you telling me in post #105: I know math is hard, but try running the numbers again. Considering the source, I find that quite comical in its irony, and I thank you for the laugh.

Oh, and another dash of irony: You telling me I jump to conclusions, yet you say: And I shift faster than your GF, no contest.

swoosh

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^^ thanks for taking one for the team bro....

I think he directed that post towards me

Dave_B

Well said. My strip is at 900' and sits in the middle of a humid river valley. Rarely is the density altitude at my strip below 2,500'. I still run there because I have no other track that's better. Cry for me

Him posting those times from Fontana are meaningless to me. I've seen way more Vipers, Corvettes, *insert car* running slower than it should than I've posting up stellar times. Sure, the track and conditions obviously play a role, but the reality is there are a lot of crappy drivers out there in modded street cars.

These Socal guys and their whining about tracks is legendary. I swear every site, it's the same story.

BEAR-AvHistory

I can’t say much about the crappy track thing since I lived 10 miles from Englishtown when I was an active racer. The one thing I remember was almost everyone on their first runs down the strip complained how slow their cars were compared to what the magazines got.

I already had a lot of experience maybe 25 years. One of my cars was a Chevy 2X4 barrel small block powered ‘33 Ford 3 window coupe running on street tires that I built from the frame up weighing 2450lbs driver up on the track scale. First night out was a bunch of really bad low 14 mid 13 second runs full of humongous bogs out through 100+ feet. I also had to shift about 20 yards before the finish line.

Took me over a month going 2/3 times a week before I was able to get it to consistently hook-up & run cleanly. Getting the launch downright was a real bi*ch. Its not always as easy as it looks on YouTube.

Dave_B

^This. Years ago when first took my lightly modded Maxima to the strip, I ran consistent lower 15s@92-93mph. I was upset because many across the country were running at least 14.7s@94mph with the same mods. I couldn't get the car to hook at all, even launching at 2000rpms. After months of practice at the strip, I learned how to effectively launch the car at 4500rpms+, calculated the correct shift points, and understood the effect of DA on ET/MPH. I got the car into the consistent 14.6s@96mph with no other changes.

It's hiliarous that these Socal guys would rather complain about how slow the track is they've never run at. Do they not realize that you apply all sorts of correction factors to get an idea of what your ET/MPH should be to normalize your times when running on different days. I love the "up hill" argument as well. Even if the track was 15' higher on the far end (it's not), you're only talking about a 1.1% grade which is well within NHRA guidelines. Most tracks are fractionally uphill.

Vasher

18 gallon tank, 3 gallons = -90 lbs
Spare tire removed = -34 lbs
Lightweight wheels + lighter tires (roughly 1.5 lbs lighter each tire than the 235/45/17 Michelin's I had on before) = 25 lbs
Bolt-ons removed = 30-40 lbs
Windshield washer fluid gone = 5 lbs
Owners manual/stuff out = 2 lbs (LOL)
Floormats gone = 5 lbs

Total = at least 190 lbs less than stock

You forgot to account for this uber important weight reduction mod;

Took a dump at McDonald's = 2.5 lbs

Also, you could cut more weight by draining your oil before you run. If you really want to eek out some extra weight you could take some laxatives.

e30cabrio

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QFT


Thank you!

I needed a good laugh.

paperboy42190

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i weigh 125 pounds, is that a weight reduction since most ppl are heavier than me?

civicdrivr

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Absolutely. Make sure to get a hair cut and blow your nose too, that can save a few milligrams.

e30cabrio

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Race naked?

paperboy42190

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^only if you're a girl

e30cabrio

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None of it matters because OP is a ninja shifting super dooper racemonster. His TL beats fighter jets!

anx1300c

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I would never take a dump at McDonalds. I prefer Barnes & Noble's facilities.

swoosh

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Extend the steering wheel to the rear ? more weight taken off the front....

Vasher

Carbon Fiber cock sock, the ultimate driver mod.

Make sure to trim your toe nails. I also shave my arms and legs. Less resistance.

swoosh

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^^^ LMFAO !!!

civicdrivr

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He should also remove his axles and brakes - less rotating mess.

paperboy42190

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the TL needs more traction in front when racing from a dig

civicdrivr

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Hmmm....so thats the trick.

Sandbags on the engine? He'll be taking down Enzos with his ninja shifting skills.

swoosh

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as the OP said:

he has 2-fifty-five

vhtran

2-fifty-five in the front ... what's for the rears ?

+1 on the sandbag