Rockstar21

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sounds more like you're referring to the driver of the car rather than the car itself...

even if they cant drive, the car is faster than before, respectfully

MobTownTL

iTrader: (1)

^that. haha


thought my 07 5AT TL was the shit... until I stepped into the 335i...

rockstar143

iTrader: (6)

I've gotta get me one of these 335's...
I thought my 6MT was quick...till I drove my buddies G37S. That thing puts you in your seat!

Dave_B

Yes, it is mostly a driver issue. Loud exhausts, wheel spin, torque steer, axle tramp, etc. all can fool the senses and mind into thinking a car is faster than it really is. I'm guilty of this as well. Everything past 100' in a drag is easy (MPH). But first 100' will make or break you and the reality is most people can't get cars off the line for squat, especially higher powered FWD cars.

Secondly, reaction time means everything. If the other driver punches the gas just .3 slower than you, that's over 2 car lengths lost by the end of the 1/4 mile even though the cars may run identical times. You can't see the difference in reaction time from the other seat. All you see is you walking away and it gives the perception of being faster.

All this is why I harp so much on pointless street racing is.

sleepysvt98

Dave, we should hit the track up for fun sometime. This weather is nearly perfect for it. I just haven't been to KCIR in years.

swoosh

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^^^ Im in too...

erick3

the g37s and the tl-s 6mt are just about even from a roll...just sayin'

D's Up

What happened to your buddy's possessed TL-S that was beating 370's and 335i's? That car was nuts.

EwitzDavid

i own both a 05 350z and a 07 tl type s. my g/f drives the tl and we raced from a roll and the race was only even for a couple of secs until i started pulling away. i doubt OP pulls like 6-7 cars.

Aman

^ Did you read the thread?

DisgustipatedAP1

My TL weighs roughly 300 lbs less than your Type S (if it's 6MT 400~ lbs less if it's 5AT) and has more whp. And I shift faster than your GF, no contest.

No, that'd require effort. Just read the thread title, skim the OP and reply. That's how it's done.

BEAR-AvHistory

Think you might be overstating the weight spread by quite a bit.

Things might go better if you just made a vid to prove your case.

If you don't want to get it timed at a track because the tracks near you are all to slow & you don't want to dyno it because the dynos near you are all bad just do a simple phone vid.

A 0-60 & 0-100 (simulates a 1/4 mile run) vid will let the guys here who doubt your claims run a stopwatch against the vid. Seems like a simple solution to knowing how fast your car really is.

Any car that can win by 6/7 car lengths after two major driving mistakes (launch bog & rev limit hit) should show some pretty impressive numbers on the vid.

BTW how do you know you have more horsepower the the Type S which is +28crank hp out of the box along with more torque. You have no idea what your horsepower is because as you said, for the reasons you have given, you have never tested it.

Additionally, you have no idea you can shift faster then his girl friend because like the horsepower & speed its never been tested.

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

^^^ Thanks-fuc$ing-you LOL....

Dave_B

Alright. List your weight reduction mods.

Dave_B

Let's do it. You gather the TLs and I'll gather the Gs. I haven't been to the strip since 09, maybe 08.

F23A4

Have a designated camera man when you go.....preferably someone who a) is not cross eyed, b) has a steady hand and c) has a video recording device that's NOT a cell phone.

Sonnick

^ This.

Taking equally driven cars....are you ready?......G35/TL is a drivers race (slight edge to G35)

No one is saying it didn't happen Disgust (well, at least I'm not). But sever driver error seems to be the culprit here. 6-7 cars while you hit the rev limiter AND bogged? As Dave pointed out, that alone is good for about .5 in the 1/4, which is about 2 lengths. So you would've pulled 8-9 lengths if you hadn't done that? Again, despite your driver error on that run, his or her must've been much worse in order for your margin of victory to be that great.

To put it in perspective, I've ran a properly driven revup G35 6MT with TP/E (idk what else, because he was shady) and it was basically neck and neck, with me coming out ahead > or = to 1/2 car each time. And I drive the sh1t out of my car (ask), put down similar power as you, and am 200+lbs lighter than a TL. Just saying.

Sonnick

Fixed.

anx1300c

iTrader: (2)

LOL, he's comparing his own car with two gallons of gas, no spare, tools etc to a Type-S with a full tank, spare, tools, heavy all season mats, and hopefully a half keg in the trunk.

In reality, there's a 70 lb weight difference between a 6MT base with navi and a 6MT Type S, 77 lbs if the base doesn't have navi. Knock off maybe another 35-40 lbs for the OP's bolt ons and 20 for his lighter wheels.

Dave_B

Ok, so:

1) 2 gallons of fuel (-90lbs) (assuming 17 gal tank)
2) No spare (-25lbs, maybe)
3) Lightweight wheels (-20lbs) BUT what about the tires, they might offset the loss.
4) No floor mats (-15lbs)
5) Lighter exhaust parts (-30lbs, at best)

I'm seeing about a difference of 180lbs assuming the TLS was loaded to the gills with options and fuel. In reality, it was probably closer to a 120lbs difference, if that. Also, we don't know if he's overweight. Seeing that the TLS has a bit more power, I don't how the difference could be so great.

Bottomline, this guy probably exagerates a bit.

paperboy42190

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the most i ever filled my tank was nearly 15 gallons, and i was on the Empty line already, like if you started your car the needle wouldnt even move up. since the tl has a 17.1 gallon tank, is that to say you guys are racing with the gauge at the E line alrdy?

also, do floor mats really weigh 15 lbs?

e30cabrio

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I did not read past the first few posts but I have to chime in.

I had an 01 CLs with a 3.7 stroker & every bolt on and kicked the s*it out of all manner of TLs and it was no match for my full bolt on Dynoed @ the wheels 271.2hp 262tq 06Z.

Perhaps your partners can't drive? Perhaps their cars are broken?

I neither know nor care but must say I do not believe your car could out perform a properly Z or G.

e30cabrio

iTrader: (6)

I do not believe your car could out perform a properly set up Z or G.

Is what I meant.

DisgustipatedAP1

Already have, look around. But I'll do it again just to humor you.
18 gallon tank, 3 gallons = -90 lbs
Spare tire removed = -34 lbs
Lightweight wheels + lighter tires (roughly 1.5 lbs lighter each tire than the 235/45/17 Michelin's I had on before) = 25 lbs
Bolt-ons removed = 30-40 lbs
Windshield washer fluid gone = 5 lbs
Owners manual/stuff out = 2 lbs (LOL)
Floormats gone = 5 lbs

Total = at least 190 lbs less than stock

Also got an 11 lb battery I'm putting in, so that's a reduction of 34 lb. Also going even lighter on the rims, so that's another 20~ lbs off the wheels.

So basically a bunch of guys on a forum think there's no way a TL 6MT running 255mm Nitto NT05's, full bolt-ons and almost 200 lbs of weight reduction can destroy G35's and 350z's with bolt-ons and God-only-knows tires? Typical.

P.S. I weigh 190 lbs. Definitely not overweight.

DisgustipatedAP1

Will do.
I know math is hard, but try running the numbers again.

Unless your 01 CLS was a POS without a proper tune, I call bullshit. That thing would rape a slow 06 350z. Anything below 07-08 350z VHR is subpar. Your full-bolton 06 350z can't even pull on a VHR 350z...

And haven't there been people in this very forum saying they've beaten VHR 350z's with their 6MT TL-S? Come the fuck on.

paperboy42190

iTrader: (7)

I weigh 125 lbs

rush

iTrader: (1)

Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA9kj...e_gdata_player


Sent from my iPhone

DisgustipatedAP1

Dude, it must be fake, some guy here is saying his slow-ass 06 350z with full-boltons is faster than his 3.7 CL-S!

I mean, that video of that CL-S 3.5 you posted of the car with a passenger AND the windows down AND the sunroof open destroying its aerodynamics yet STILL pulling cars on the 350z in 1 gear higher than optimal (4th gear)... that proves nothing! Duh!



Props to rush. Some of the people in this thread are just ridiculous.

e30cabrio

iTrader: (6)

My CLs was quite fast. My Z is significantly faster and after my 4 liter stroker goes in it will be much faster.

I'll buy you a clue Where should I send it?

e30cabrio

iTrader: (6)

QFT take a look in the mirror to see one of the people you refer to.

That video only proves there are two people willing to put everyone on the road at risk.

BEAR-AvHistory

Still waiting for the vid

Sonnick

e30: Being that you have an 01 CL, unless you did the MT swap your 3.7 is auto. If so, I can somewhat see why your full bolt on 6MT Z would be quicker. The DE Z's really aren't all that fast though, at least as fast as a lot of people think, unless you start switching FD's. The HR is where things get interesting.

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

LOL its a 17.2 Gallon tank to begin with

so you have had a 45 pound weight reduction from your tires....were you running blocks of iron before ?

11.25 pounds per side....even if you get the lightest 17" rims and tires you are looking at ~33 pounds per side (14 pound rims and 19 pound tires)....you wanna tell me you were running 45 pounds per side originally ? the stock TL rims + tires are ~40 pounds....so the weight reduction you will have is ~7 pounds per side which is a total of 28 pounds and no way close to 45 pounds.....unless you are will to run 16" rims+tires....of magnesium rims which are like 6-8grand per set....

either way cant wait for you to post your new setup of rims + tires....

and +1 on how much do you weigh :P

paperboy42190

iTrader: (7)

its a 17.1 gallon tank according to acura specifications.

also, that CL needs an alignment bad! did u see how off-center his steering was just to go straight? lol

DisgustipatedAP1

Yeah, it's hilarious that people think DE 350Z's and G35's are fast at all, over on S2KI tuned AP1's and AP2's destroy them all day. But the VHR 350z's are ridiculously fast. I don't think most people even know the difference between 03-06 Z's and 07-08 Z's.

Your numbers are way, way off. Stock 3G TL rims weigh 24-26 lbs depending on your source, and stock tires weigh a good 25-26 lbs each. I went down to rims that weigh 19.5 lbs each, and tires that weigh about 24 lbs each. The new rims I'll be getting weigh 16 lbs each, and the new tires should weigh about 23 lbs each.

Now do the math and tell me where it gets you.

e30cabrio

iTrader: (6)

What I find hilarious is that without knowing anything about cars people make what they believe are informed conclusions.

My Z has a Titan 4.083 FD, it has a Quaife LSD and it has (for a DE) excellent power.

I get that power to the ground much better than any FWD car there is and I can off the line and up to the speed limit (where I say fetch the police and sustain that speed limit to the other driver who is unconcerned with the public safety) destroy 335CIs all day long. My Cl lost by 3/4 car length to them.

FWD cannot get the power to the ground.

I am building a stroker 4 liter motor that will put down 330/300 to the wheels minimum and then I will be done modding the Z.

Additionally, my car is a base (that I added the options I wanted) which weighs 3200lbs.

Sonnick

^^ With the 4.08 FD I can see your car being considerably quicker than most DE Z's. I still don't know how your 3.7 CL lost to 335i's when I am even with them?

e30cabrio

iTrader: (6)

I would guess auto without LSD. It's all about getting the power on the ground.


By far the best single mod I have on my car is the differential. The FD & Quaife made the biggest single difference of any other single thing.

I smile every time I take a turn at far faster than I should and just smoothly transition to the direction I am going.

DisgustipatedAP1

And you would still lose to a stock 350z VHR. Shoulda bought an '07 instead of an '06.

You'll spend all that money building a stroker, when a VHR could come close to those numbers just with bolt-ons + tune.

e30cabrio

iTrader: (6)

!) I already have done the build, it is ready for install. (2) HR only has 6 more BHP. That equates to an average 250/230 WHP. My car has 271/262 WHP and I walk stock 370s all day long.


Additionally that has no bearing on the beating many a Z will put on a TL.

How did you go from Z hater to fanboi?

Car:
http://my350z.com/forum/new-owners/4...ix-06-6mt.html

Motor:
http://my350z.com/forum/na-builds/51...-na-build.html

As a final aside, none of these cars we are discussing are really really fast.