DisgustipatedAP1

So last night I raced some of the local big-ego VQ-equipped G and Z cars around here.

1st race: 03-05 G35 auto, bolt-ons etc

From a dig: I kinda fucked up the launch and bogged, and I also hit the rev limiter in 3rd (wtf), but I still got him by 6-7 cars once we hit 120.

2nd race: 03 350z, 6 spd full bolt-ons

This one was just embarrassing. I got an amazing launch on him @ 3k rpm, spun a bit through first and then hooked, had 3 cars on him and by the time we hit 120 I still had 3+ cars on him. Poor guy.

3rd race: bone stock 8th gen Si with lame-ass roof rack

This one happened earlier in the day. Asked the guy if he wanted to run, he said ok... we both went when the light turned green, by the time I hit 2nd gear I had about 6 cars on him and still gaining, so I just let off before I hit 3rd.

Next week, I don't think any of the local Z or G guys will be wanting to race after their friends tell them what happened.

P.S. I'm using my 17x9.5 Enkei NT03+M's with 255mm Nitto NT05's from my S2000. These tires have gobs and gobs of grip and allow for some excellent launches. I'm going to practice with 3k~ RPM launches and see how I do.

vhtran

Godly car you have there. Hit the strip and see how your car does.

DisgustipatedAP1

Thanks man. Unfortunately all of the drag strips near me are literally the worst in the entire US (Southern California, we have Fort Irwindale and Fontana). Evo/STI's that would run mid-high 12's at good tracks run like mid 13's to low 14's at Fontana.

juruki

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You bogged the launch and hit the limiter vs the modded G35 and you still pulled 6-7 cars? You got a turbo on your S2k? :P

paperboy42190

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he was racing with his TL 6 speed

nice runs man...how do u like ur exhaust?

phee

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I still don't buy it. Was the g auto?

I put 4 cars on a G but that's with excellent shifting in my lighter car. He had mods too..

1999 Tl 6 speed (not my civic)

DaChef320

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OP what kinda TL do u got a stock or boosted? cause if its stock i don't see how can u beat the 350 6SP by 3 car lengths

dgsedan06

You've got to be boosted... A "full bolt-on" 350z 6MT is no joke.

Sonnick

Good runs. Get some of these on video. Although I am a bit skeptical on the extent you beat some of these cars, anything can happen on the street. A full bolt on Z should pull you, and the G35 auto full bolt on should've been a close run.

Get a video of your car, maybe a speedo run? I wonder how it sounds.

DisgustipatedAP1

I like it a lot. It's a bit too quiet but it sounds amazing. I've got nothing but compliments on it.

G was auto. I shift much faster than an auto G, my car weighs less and has more power...

Why not? I'm a much better driver.

A full bolt-on DE 350z (which I raced) isn't even as fast as a bone stock HR 350z, yet there's people in this forum with TL-Ses who have beaten those...

Should, could, would, but they didn't.

I can make you a speedo run if you want.

Sonnick

Do it

Did you go 3in on the exhaust or no?

BEAR-AvHistory

Paperboy said he would run you back in July.....Did you ever step-up & get it done?

Sonnick

Yes, that's the "05 TL 6 speed vs 07 TL-s 5AT" thread. The stock 6 speed pulled by about 2 - 2.5 cars to 120 from a 60 roll. The TL-s auto had a V2 CAI I believe, but also had a slipping tranny. So the margin may have been slightly less with a working tranny. Maybe they should do it again

BEAR-AvHistory

I am not surprised the 6MT won since I ran & beat few Type S 6AT with my ‘06 base TL 6MT. It would be nice to see a 6MT vs. S/6MT. Never had a chance to try a S/6MT before I sold the car as they are pretty rare here.

Parked next to one in a Costco once but as far as I know it’s the only one I ever saw.

oarichard

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wow, does that mean I beat all those cars too?

Lol, if you run me now it would be a much better race than last time, esp with those nittos/mods.

Let's give it a go sometime, you know where I'm at

bouncer07

I'd love to see your trap in a 1/4 mile. It doesnt matter what times you pulled. At the track is where the skills come.

Dave_B

Mid 14s, I bet. Though he'll never take it to the strip because Socal guys, regardless of car make, don't race at the strip and have LOTS of excuses for it. It's epic.

Always amused by those on this site that think auto G and Zs are slow. Apparently most on this site don't know that the 5AT G/Z is about 0.1 seconds slower in the 1/4 mile than the 6MT cars. The new 7AT cars are quicker than the 6MTs. This isn't a Honda auto in there cars.

TylerT

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Since the OP has prior track experience with his SI (running high 13s), I don't think he'd have any trouble getting low 14s @ 100+

Dave, we don't have the luxury of torque + RWD .. can you please go back to your VQ cave?

Thanks,
3G Racing & Competition community.

paperboy42190

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type s 6at? u meant 5at?

swoosh

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sorry dude....i would like to call the BS flag....

6 car lengths on the Si....and all you got is an intake + exhaust mod....
3 car lengths on a MT 350Z which was fully bolted on....

u shud find some drivers who can drive cars....

I remember i was on the road with an R8 and he put only 1 car length on me from 40mph....later i thought I dont think he was racing or I dont think he knew how to race....

I think you should take your car to the track if you want to prove you have been actually "destroying" more powerful fully bolted on RWD cars....

sorry but your story doesnt seem believable...

Rick_TL-S

Is pulling out 1/4 mile times/speeds for the Nissan/Infiniti cars the only thing you do in this forum?

swoosh

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^^^ OP is talking about taking a bolted on Z and G from a dig and racing upto 120mph...for the first time I agree with Dave....I would love to see the OP's 1/4 mile time strip....there is no way he will take on those cars with the mods listed....

DisgustipatedAP1

You're ignorant, honestly. SoCal has THE WORST DRAG STRIPS in the country. I have nothing to gain by going to the track, as I'd have to adjust the times to show what they'd be at with a 'regular' track. It's like dynos, and SoCal has the lowest reading. If I go to the track and post times, all people like you will say is 'SLOW!' because they're going to be 0.5-0.7s and 2-4 MPH trap speed slower than what a good track can get. Tell me why a friend of mine ONLY hit 13.0 @ 110 MPH on a turbo Del Sol with 350~ whp and slicks, and why Evo's/STI's famously run horrible times at that track? Even 5.0 '11 GT's run high 12's/low 13's at Fontana. It's a garbage track.

Never had an Si, but my 2500~ lb S2000 isn't what you'd call a slow car. It destroyed G35's as well. But that must be a lie too? Was it a lie when I pulled 8-9 cars on an (auto?) G35 on the freeway with my S2000 as well even when I gave em a half-car headstart?

The hell? I've got way better tires, same/more whp than the Z and WAY more whp than a bone stock Si, yet you're calling BS? A fully bolt-on 350z DE is only making 250-260 whp at best without a tune and cams, spacers, etc. Even with a full tune and every bolt-on they usually only hit 280~ whp, less than an HR 350z bone stock. And I don't even know if this guy had good mods: his exhaust had silencers in it and stuck out really far, looked like a junky Greddy or Skunk2.

An Si is a 15 second car bone stock with a very low trap speed, so I'm not surprised. C'mon, he had a rough rack.

I already beat these cars and their drivers. I have no idea why people think DE Z's and DE G's are fast; they're not. Especially not auto. You really don't think a full bolt-on TL 6MT with track-level 255mm tires, weight reduction and a good driver isn't going to stomp either of those cars? A DE 350Z is a very high 13/low 14s car too bonestock.

As much as FWD sucks, my well setup, well-driven FWD TL 6MT is more than capable of taking out lame DE Z's and G's, even with bolt-ons.

BEAR-AvHistory

Three questions, exactly how & on what basis would you "adjust" the times?

Second, if your time is slow on a SoCal track then everybody else time on a SoCal track would be proportionately slow so all things would be equal.

Last, what is your rear wheel HP & how was it measured.

BTW what you have to gain going to any track with a christmas tree is fair start real racing not some "I cudda won but he jumped on me" etc.

BEAR-AvHistory

Yes my bad meant 5AT.

rockstar143

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I thought it was a pretty good story and didn't even find it that hard to believe, just thought it was ironic that that si guy is probably posting on some forum right now
"So last night I raced some of the local big ego Acura cars around here." ...

swoosh

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Lets just take the Z for example....

03-05 Z:
VQ35DE 3.5 L (210 cu in) V6
287 bhp (214 kW) at 6,200 rpm
274 ft·lbf (371 N·m) at 4,800 rpm
3,188 lb (1,446 kg) (Base)
3,197 lb (1,450 kg) (Enth)
3,217 lb (1,459 kg) (Perf)
3,247 lb (1,473 kg) (Tour)
3,225 lb (1,463 kg) (Track)

So it roughly has 287hp/274tq and weighs say 3200 pounds....

05 TL 6MT...
Torque: 238 ft-lbs. @ 5000 rpm
Horsepower: 270 hp @ 6200 rpm
Curb weight: 3482 lbs

The Z was fully bolted on and you have intake/exhaust mods and you took him by 3 cars lengths....right

you dont have enough torque and you weigh a lot more....guess your a good driver and the people you drive/race with dont know how to drive....

courtesy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_350Z
http://www.edmunds.com/acura/tl/2005...tyle=100449884

PS: am not trying to hate...I just said you may be a good driver...am just listing the facts down....you didnt really destroy the Z as much as you got "lucky"

Rick_TL-S

It's beside the point. Any time I see him post in this forum, it's always concerning how fast a G/Z should be running the 1/4 mile & how it should have fun.

I swear someone could post about beating a fully bolt on Z with a GT-R & he'd post about how much better the Z should have done.

swoosh

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^^^ i lol-ed...

i do agree...Dave does tend to get kinda emotional on the Z's and the G's....i dont think he would go after the GTR thow, its a nissan after all LOL....

rockstar143

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Speaking of which...anyone see the GTR piece on Top Gear last night?!?!

I'm thinking of selling my house and kidney to buy one.

justnspace

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^you dont have to. camp out on Ebay and find a listed one without a reserve.

Sonnick

OP, how much weight reduction do you have? With your mods you are probably putting down 270whp or so. Maybe you are just overexaggerating the extent of your wins? Could that be possible? I know I've done that before as I'm sure everyone is guilty of it at some point without realizing it.

Dave's not a bad guy. He takes pride in his VQ, that's all.

justnspace

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^no way he's in the 270 zone.
240-265

Sonnick

Why? He has full bolt ons. The only thing holding him back slightly is the fact that he has the E-shift procats instead of the PCDs.

justnspace

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^a CAI and a cat back will magically get me in the 270 zone?
I'm at 240 with more efficient exhaust mods.

Sonnick

I was going by my numbers (255) and factoring in the 3.2 vs my 3.0. Real world numbers I was only making 245 or so I'm guessing. So maybe he's around 260, I stand corrected .

If you added a catback you'd make a good amount more power. Not 20whp, but you'd make substantially more power throughout the band.

swoosh

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^^^ I agree with Justn....he is no way near the 270 zone....he just has intake + an exhaust...he is more in the 255-265 (265 toppsssssssss).....

now if would have said he took the Z from a 50mph run, I would completely agree....since the TL gets insane at 50mph in 2nd gear....he would have gotten a car length jump on the Z right there....

Sonnick

Why does everyone keep saying he only has I/E? He has CAI/Jpipe/Exhaust/Hi Flow Cats damnit! Lol. Other bolt on TL 6MTs have seen 260+, so I based it on that, and also my own numbers with the 3.0.

justnspace

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its all hear say!
until the dyno!

Dave_B

Thanks for making my point. Not every track is going to be quick, but Fontana is not a "crap" track. It's pretty normal when it comes to the times I've seen reported for various makes and mods. It's not like a Cecil, E-town, or some of many quick tracks on the East coast, but it's not garbage.

Your dyno argument is flawed as well. One of the world's most optimistic dynos is located in Socal. It's located at Church Automotive Tech in Wilmington.



Fast is all relative. Car to car, mod for mod, driver to driver, a DE Z is a quicker car than a 6MT TL. Stock DE Z, auto or 6MT have gone 13.6s. A G, regardless of tranny, is comparable to a TL. It's a driver's race. Mod for mod though, the G is probably going to be quicker because of the much larger base of power mods to choose from. My STOCK 5AT G sedan went 14.3@98mph. Point is, it's a level playing field with all these cars.

I don't doubt you beat these cars. I do doubt the distance though. My guess is these guys gave up way earlier than you did. Why would someone keep their foot in it if they know they're loosing?