280,000 Miles. Change trans fluid or not?
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So against the opinions here I have decided to leave the transmission alone and not touch the fluid or switches. I went to a shop that specializes in high mileage Hondas and acuras. The main page on their website has their over 200,000 mile club on it. They overwhelmingly told me to just drive the car. I know people on here have differing opinions but most people don't have 280k on a transmission that they do not know the history of. They said even a simple 1x3 drain and fill can cause more problems than good. If it holds out another even 10k that's close to 2 years of driving for me. At that point if it needs a tranny so be it.
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It's a roll of the dice, as others have said.
If your brother is being truthful when he said that 95% of his driving was highway miles, then it's safe to assume that the clutches haven't worn out to the point of making the fluid dangerously dense (At least not the fluid currently inside of the transmission and torque converter). In this case, you should change the fluid.
As the clutches inside of the transmission wear out (from slipping- all A/Ts do this), they deposit clutch fragments into the fluid. These added particles make it more dense, which wear out the seals and internal clearances. When the fluid is changed for new, less dense, fluid it runs right past the worn out seals. Because the operation of an automatic transmission is dependent on hydraulic pressure, the transmission fails to operate for the above reasons.
That having been said, changing the fluid won't damage the transmission per say (since the damage has potentially already been done) but a chance exists that after you change the fluid, the car won't go into gear or move at all.
You can tell a lot about the health of the transmission by the condition of its fluid. Does it smell burnt? What color is it? Honestly if you're going to be driving it in stop and go traffic, you'll be shifting through the gears (as opposed to cruising in 5th on the highway) and the torque converter clutch will be locking and unlocking the torque converter.
At the very least you should change the pressure switches. I had a 2G (1999-2003) TL and even though mine had the updated casing and proper fluid changes, it still failed prematurely (a design flaw most Hondas of the late '90s and early '00s suffer from- you don't have to worry about this type of transmission failure). From what I read about the 3G, the pressure switches seem to be the achilles heel. At least as far as the 5 A/T is concerned.
If your brother is being truthful when he said that 95% of his driving was highway miles, then it's safe to assume that the clutches haven't worn out to the point of making the fluid dangerously dense (At least not the fluid currently inside of the transmission and torque converter). In this case, you should change the fluid.
As the clutches inside of the transmission wear out (from slipping- all A/Ts do this), they deposit clutch fragments into the fluid. These added particles make it more dense, which wear out the seals and internal clearances. When the fluid is changed for new, less dense, fluid it runs right past the worn out seals. Because the operation of an automatic transmission is dependent on hydraulic pressure, the transmission fails to operate for the above reasons.
That having been said, changing the fluid won't damage the transmission per say (since the damage has potentially already been done) but a chance exists that after you change the fluid, the car won't go into gear or move at all.
You can tell a lot about the health of the transmission by the condition of its fluid. Does it smell burnt? What color is it? Honestly if you're going to be driving it in stop and go traffic, you'll be shifting through the gears (as opposed to cruising in 5th on the highway) and the torque converter clutch will be locking and unlocking the torque converter.
At the very least you should change the pressure switches. I had a 2G (1999-2003) TL and even though mine had the updated casing and proper fluid changes, it still failed prematurely (a design flaw most Hondas of the late '90s and early '00s suffer from- you don't have to worry about this type of transmission failure). From what I read about the 3G, the pressure switches seem to be the achilles heel. At least as far as the 5 A/T is concerned.
Last edited by Yikes; 01-11-2016 at 02:21 PM.
#46
It's a roll of the dice, as others have said.
If your brother is being truthful when he said that 95% of his driving was highway miles, then it's safe to assume that the clutches haven't worn out to the point of making the fluid dangerously dense (At least not the fluid currently inside of the transmission and torque converter). In this case, you should change the fluid.
As the clutches inside of the transmission wear out (from slipping- all A/Ts do this), they deposit clutch fragments into the fluid. These added particles make it more dense, which wear out the seals and internal clearances. When the fluid is changed for new, less dense, fluid it runs right past the worn out seals. Because the operation of an automatic transmission is dependent on hydraulic pressure, the transmission fails to operate for the above reasons.
That having been said, changing the fluid won't damage the transmission per say (since the damage has potentially already been done) but a chance exists that after you change the fluid, the car won't go into gear or move at all.
You can tell a lot about the health of the transmission by the condition of its fluid. Does it smell burnt? What color is it? Honestly if you're going to be driving it in stop and go traffic, you'll be shifting through the gears (as opposed to cruising in 5th on the highway) and the torque converter clutch will be locking and unlocking the torque converter.
At the very least you should change the pressure switches. I had a 2G (1999-2003) TL and even though mine had the updated casing and proper fluid changes, it still failed prematurely (a design flaw most Hondas of the late '90s and early '00s suffer from- you don't have to worry about this type of transmission failure). From what I read about the 3G, the pressure switches seem to be the achilles heel. At least as far as the 5 A/T is concerned.
If your brother is being truthful when he said that 95% of his driving was highway miles, then it's safe to assume that the clutches haven't worn out to the point of making the fluid dangerously dense (At least not the fluid currently inside of the transmission and torque converter). In this case, you should change the fluid.
As the clutches inside of the transmission wear out (from slipping- all A/Ts do this), they deposit clutch fragments into the fluid. These added particles make it more dense, which wear out the seals and internal clearances. When the fluid is changed for new, less dense, fluid it runs right past the worn out seals. Because the operation of an automatic transmission is dependent on hydraulic pressure, the transmission fails to operate for the above reasons.
That having been said, changing the fluid won't damage the transmission per say (since the damage has potentially already been done) but a chance exists that after you change the fluid, the car won't go into gear or move at all.
You can tell a lot about the health of the transmission by the condition of its fluid. Does it smell burnt? What color is it? Honestly if you're going to be driving it in stop and go traffic, you'll be shifting through the gears (as opposed to cruising in 5th on the highway) and the torque converter clutch will be locking and unlocking the torque converter.
At the very least you should change the pressure switches. I had a 2G (1999-2003) TL and even though mine had the updated casing and proper fluid changes, it still failed prematurely (a design flaw most Hondas of the late '90s and early '00s suffer from- you don't have to worry about this type of transmission failure). From what I read about the 3G, the pressure switches seem to be the achilles heel. At least as far as the 5 A/T is concerned.
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