JD TL-S

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I was just at Union Grove Raceway in Wisconsin. They were having an

Import Wars special event. The weather was great. 70 degrees and sunny.

The cars were getting great traction. The only TL there was an 07 TL-S

with an auto. Its best 1/4 mile was 14.85 seconds and the worst was 15.05.

NOT very impressive. There were MANY Dodge Neon SRT's running high 12's

and low to mid 13 second 1/4 mile runs. SO many Civic's with minor add-ons

running much faster then the TL-S. Even a stock Civic Si wasn't much slower

then the TL-S. I was wondering why SO many other cars were blowing away

the TL-S. Even Cobalt LS was about as fast, or should I say as slow as the TL-S.

6MTUA5

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Damn the TL-S is slow...

6MTUA5

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I think those times are a little slow. It should be able to do low 14s, maybe it was the driver?

awilson529

Sorry to burst the bubble, but a TL-S is not fast. If you bought the car thinking it was fast, you bought the wrong car.

286hp in a car that weighs as much as a TL translates to a pretty slow.

Vanilla_Gorilla

I wouldnt go as far as to call the Type-S slow, but its not a super fast car. You do have to consider the weight of the car.

3rdGenHybrid

def. the fact that its an AUTO and its got a bad driver....I've seen Stock 6mt TL-S Hit high 13's.....as for the TL-S not being a fast car....you must have bought an auto too....

JD TL-S

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YAH, not a fast car, but I expected low 14's, not about 15 flat. The driver was pretty good,

also consistant, but it was an automatic which makes sense. In all the tests I read it ran

high 5's to 60, which should be about 14.0 sec 1/4. OH well, I guess if you want a quick

car, go buy a Neon SRT. Or an EVO, STI. Couldn't believe how FAST MANY of the other cars

were!! HOLLY COW. The TL-S was embarrassing.

stillhere153

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Put those same cars on some curves then measure how "slow" it is, it isn't a sport compact like srt4 or civic... my civic smokes all motor g35, 350z, base tl or tl-s, tsx (newer cars are heavier since they are safer)

Bearcat94

The only high 5's, 0 - 60 I've seen published were 6MT. Thought the auto was ~6.2, 0 - 60? Don't know how that translates to the 1/4 mile.

3rdGenHybrid

The tl-s might not be the fastet....but you got better odds pickin up a chick in a TL-S than a Neon.....Heated leather seats? Navi? Bluetooth? 7speaker surround? with all that stuff...14.0 isn't a bad number....and the car handles like a dream....

awilson529

Nope, I own a 6mt. I stand by my statement of the TL-S being a slow car.

ballinfizzle89

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...seriously?



Yeah, the TL isn't meant to be a 10 second car, but I wouldn't call it slow by any means especially for a stock FWD.

BEAR-AvHistory

Well when you have to start qualify its a FOR this or FOR that why not just say its not slow FOR an overweight - underpowered car?

BTW: on the quality of the driver. I can't see how that makes much of a difference in a 14 second automatic car. A bad driver will get beat everyday of the week in reaction time & lose the race, but his speed & ET will be pretty consistent.

2/10's of a second in not a big variation for a guy driving a car off the street. It would be interesting to know how much time he had between rounds & did the ET change in a stepped fashion or was it all over the place.

Also if he was running brackets what his dial in was.

jayunsplanet

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It's not a Neon SRT 4. It's an SRT-4. It doesn't keep its economy car name like the WRX STI and Lancer Evolution do... And yes, they are fast cars. They are also ugly, loud, obnoxious, plastic, boring, plastic, economy cars on massive amounts of steroids that are pretty light. The gargle the exhaust makes and the annoying BOV's that the owners use are enough to drive you crazy. You'd think a 1 ton diesel was barreling down on you. (Luckily, they don't make them anymore) So, it's the complete opposite of what the TL-S is. It's not a "fast" car compaired to the ones you mentioned but it's a plush, reliable, comfortable, and quick car, w/ pretty good handling that gets-up-and-goes when you need it to.

Will Y.

1) What was the altitude of the track? Turbos (SRT, Evo, etc.) do better at higher altitudes.
2) Stupid question, but did the TL-S driver switch off the VSA and the climate control? He may not have, given his consistency.
I haven't tried brake-torquing my auto and don't know if that would help in the quarter mile; maybe the TL-S driver should have tried that on a run.

JD TL-S

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YAH I understand all of the above, I am 45 and my 51 year old brother and I have been into

cars since birth. I have been in Ferrari's Benz's etc. My first car @ 17 was a low 13 second

Chevelle LT-1 with an m-22 and competition plus Hurst. I am just shocked how slow it was.

I expected low 14's. Maybe he was stupid and did leave the VSC on. I watched him and

he got off the line very well. It was in southeast Wisconsin(low alt). And sunny, dry....

15 second cars are by all means not fast at all. And I am not considering a SRT-4, etc.

It would be nice to run 14 flat. I guess if the next gen AWD doesn't offer a stick and at

least 320hp, I will look elsewhere. I understand all the GREAT things about the TL-S, I

just need a car to have the comforts and to be quick. Meaning a 14 second car, which is

quick, NOT FAST AT ALL. 15 seconds is NOT acceptable to me. My 07 TL-S felt quite a bit

quicker then that, but maybe not???

AirJordan23922

Maybe he.... left his air condition on, VSA, Radio, and drove in reverse? haha jk

JD TL-S

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YAH maybe, but it wasn't hot out. It was 70 degrees and sunny, perfect day.

hahahaha....Maybe he was using old 87 octane gas out of his snowmobile?

dug-mac

FWIW R&T achieved 14.3 in the 1/4 on the MT TL-S, so 14.8 is probably about as good as it gets for the AT. I'm not going to say anything bad about the TL-S because I think it accomplishes many things at a reasonable price (and I own an 03 TL-S) - but they are not really designed for the drag strip. Another nice car is the IS350, which achieved 13.5 in that same test...

Fleet_king_at_va

For all you saying that the TL-S is a slow car, well you are crazy. I don't mean to be rude but I own a 07 TL-S 6MT and I would say I have one pretty quick car. Not the fastest on the road but deffienetly not the slowest. When you bought your Acura you proably bought it for a few reasons. The technology, reliability, looks, sportiness and performance. I really think there are not alot of cars out there that have the full package like the Acura TL.

Fleet_king_at_va

How fast do you really need to go 0-60mph? Whats the hurry? My TL-S does 0-60mph in 5.4 seconds and the 1/4 mile time in low 14's and that is fast enough for me. (G-Tech) Anything faster I think I might get into some trouble.

dug-mac

As a comparison, in the latest C&D Mercedes C350 Sport and Cadillac CTS both achieve 14.6 in the 1/4. Mercedes = 3671lbs/268bhp, Cadillac = 4032lbs/304bhp. Subaru Impreza WRX gets 14.4 in the 1/4. Subaru = 3200lbs/224bhp. Not much mystery in these numbers...

jay0k

It's not a 1/4 mile drag car. It's a sport luxury car.

Some of those cars you mentioned are just plastic junk boxes riced to the gills.

I personally don't take my $38k TL-S to the track. I use it to drive to work and get around town. I appreciate the extra power for passing and spirited driving every now and then; but I mainly bought the TL for it's features. Navigation, leather, power heated seats, bluetooth, etc.

BEAR-AvHistory

The one in R&T did that. With all due respect to G-Tech I seriously doubt you would be willing to give your own car the abuse required to equal their numbers at a 1/4 mile track.

ILLustriousUA6

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wow, i think it's driver.. I wonder if he used the brake-torque method?

I drive an 06 auto TL w/ nav..

fastest I ran was 15.06, slowest was 15.2x(my first two runs. After that, i hit consistent 15.0's and one 15.1,while trying a diff. launch method). KEEP IN MIND THE WEATHER IN SACRAMENTO RACEWAY WAS ABOUT 95+ DEG WHEN I RAN AT THE TIME... and all I have is a AEM CAI w/ spare tire out running on stockies..

I know this guy can do better on his TL-S. He just needs to learn how to drive it..

i'm sure i can break into 14.9 if weather was good and track was more well prepped.

outlawnappyla213

Whats the fun in go straight? thats BOOOOOOORING. Its all about taking turns at 70 miles an hour. thats were the real skill is. If you wanted a quarter mile car get an american muscle car. The TL is a track car. put all those cars in a track and the TL will be up thier because of its balance and handeling.

pellepelle_10

Agreed. If I wanted a fast car for $35-40 I think many of us would have looked at a Corvette (or something else). I think I speak for many when I say the Acura is a car that holds value, known to not break down after 40K miles, looks tight, and will drop panties when modded just right. I like speed but I'd rather have a car that lasts and looks stunning.

pokin

Smoker! ---> 2005 DODGE NEON SRT-4


Smoked! ---> 2007 ACURA TL



Any questions?

Will Y.

Yeah-- wasn't this thread about 0-60 rather than 60-0, or acceleration rather than deceleration into a fixed object?

I did get the TL because it was faster and a better overall performer than every other semi-lux car in its class, but am not too concerned when someone in a stock or built Mustang, Evo, SRTi or 'Vette is faster.

Then again, I'm secure that way, since my wife often gasps in amazement and with great satisfaction at my ginormous...parts.

SporkLover

LOL..... dont resurrect this 2003 Argument.

If I still had my window sticker for my SRT-4 I would show you where Dodge clearly called the car a Dodge NEON SRT-4. In fact, calling an SRT-4 a neon is a much more accurate statement than calling an Evo a Lancer.

SporkLover

X 2. Fast is a relative term. And Relatively speaking I just came from the LS1 Performance car world.... and the TL-S is definitely slow

Doesnt mean it doesnt have plenty of passing power or that it cant get out of its own way.... nope thats my other car... the Scion tC

Fleet_king_at_va

I don’t have to abuse my car to get it to those numbers. I just have to feather the clutch when I’m taking off and shifting at the right times. I have driven many fast cars and the Acura can take definitely take it.

Fleet_king_at_va

Sorry but even though the SRT-4 is a fast car. IT IS ONE BIG PIECE OF JUNK. All I see in that car is a neon with a Turbo and a mini face lift. When that neon is in the shop my Acura is still running. My Acura fit and finish is also better and I have lots of toys to play with while I'm driving. My car turns heads and the when people see the SRT-4 all they see is another wannabe ricer. IM NOT A FAN OF ANY CHRYSLER PRODUCT

JsL138

Costco

Stock for stock, isn't the 3G TL-S the fastest, all-motor FWD car out there? Maybe the 6G 6MT Maxima would give it a run for its money, but I don't what else would.

JD TL-S

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You must have a manual. I just like having enough power @ merges

to not get beat, and being stuck behind people who CAN'T READ the

speed limit. Then having to pass them doing way over the limit.

5.4 0-60 and LOW 14 is very good. A 15 second 1/4 mile is more like

0-60 in 6.5 or so. Hell a Civic Si is about that fast.

drdug27

i use to run my SHO low 15s at the track. this car is faster IMO havent run it yet and a driver can make a good .5 sec difference in the wrong direction.

regardless mine is quick enough for what i wanted but in 2 years i might be looking at a CTS-V. if Acura goes bye bye with clutch.

BEAR-AvHistory

The magazines bring up the revs side step the clutch, ride out the wheel hop, make full power shifts & you get the same numbers as they do - interesting

Fleet_king_at_va

RIDE OUT THE WHEEL HOP? What magazines have you been reading? Riding out the wheel hop will do some serious damage! Its all about the launch and doing it correctly.

U4ICTHEORY

seriously... are some of you guys dragging your TL's?

as an owner of many Honda's/Acura's, as a long time loyalist to the "H" and "A" brands. why, why, why would you drag race a 4 door luxury car!... why?... why?

not to diss drag racers out there, not to diss 600HP civics running 10's or lower... but damn it... this is a Luxury car... not just a luxury car but a car valued at damn near 40 thousand dollars... and you want to drag race it?... seriously?... do us all a favor... supe up the CRX... hell, do it right and get Detroit power... but never, never drag race a 40 thousand dollar luxury 4 door... especially if you have the automatic... why?... again... why?...

not when you have places like Leguna Seca, Infineon Race Way, Button Willow... drive down a mountain pass, take part in a Solo event or the SCCA... but going straight just isn't ment for the TL...

On the way to San Diego from Stockton we managed to stay right behind an M3... turn for turn, straight for straight... though we never passed it up... we also never fell behind... is the TL-S fast?... it's damn fast enough...