PoochaKannInc

Not quite.

Like I said, in a couple of months no one will be paying MSRP. This is not a low-volume Ferarri.

Will your view change then? If you judge that you will pay MSRP then yes you are paying too much. Is it still worth it? Perhaps it is. I'm just saying you will have the opportunity to pay less if you wait a few months.

Name another competitor with all of its features and a lower price.

You "live-at-the-limit-magazine-racers" all boohoo the FWD. You know what? The TL is my daily driver. If I wanted a fun sports car I would get the S2000, and if I wanted a muscle car I would wait for the Challenger.

Acura has their market. Every magazine hated on the TL's FWD. Guess what? It's Acura's best-selling model.

mio

TL+supercharger > TL-S

socal16

You can't satisfy everyone. Add more features and raise the price slightly, and people complain about the price. Keep the price low and skimp out on a few extra features, and peope complain about not having this or that in their car.

I like the 07 TL. I'd trade my 05 for one in a heartbeat.

Legend2TL

Yeah what makes it more amazing is that the increase is $2K, since the Type-S is only available with Nav. Compared to a 2007 TL the price increase to a Type-S is only $2K.

trancemission

Lets not turn any of this into flames. The next one who takes a shot gets a vacation..

If you do mess with somebody at least put a smiley if you're kidding...

levon1830

I know that my post came off as a flame against some posters in this thread, but that's not really the way it was meant. I just find it to be grossly inaccurate to say that the only thing you're paying for with the extra $2,000 for the TL-S is a larger, more powerful engine.

OUTATIME

For those of u guys who are saying that SH-AWD is gonna be a significant price hike, i think you're wrong. Look at the new MDX, it only starts about 2k higher than the old MDX and its a SIGNIFICANT upgrade and all trims include SH-AWD. I think thats a pretty good buy - I believe the next TL will be the same. Its been mentioned by Acura reps that the Type S is just a placeholder so that it can compete a LITTLE better, I'm not sure theyre expecting to outsell all of their competition. Theyve been pushing out about 80k TLs a year; these next 2 years will probably go down to about 75k but a lot of them will be Type S's.

Now if only they could mate a 6MT to that SH-AWD i may get the next TL, or the Type S will be my last Acura.

trancemission

Its cool levon, it was more of a general warning to everyone. I just want to keep it civil.

dragonlord

I priced it out on the build section and it was pushing 40K, I'm not sure about the 7000 justification, but I also don't like the red lighting (Pontiac's and Mazda have that), the standard 17" wheels ( not 18's although the wheels are AWESOME), hate the foglights, but this car will sell alot!

CometVR4

I think the price is reasonable. I'll consider trading my 04 in for 1 and the end of next year. FWD doesn't really bother me. I plan on getting an automatic TL-S anyway. Also the new Dodge Caliber SRT-4 is 300hp FWD Turbo. So I think that car is more of a handful.

Also It'd be nice if the 07 TL has rain sensing wipers too. Since I know Mazda 3s can get them too.

levon1830

Did anyone else just get an email from Acura stating that the TL-S is at dealerships now? Now we can all go see it first hand and see if it's worth the money. I know what I'm doing this weekend!

dragontales

I don't think it's at the dealership yet. Don't plan your trip so soon.

chfields

I just got that e-mail about 1 hr ago...Found it very interesting.....I will call the dealer and see if it's true...from what I've read so far though, I doubt it.....

ender001

The new TL type S will definitely sell very well. The true diehards will opt for the 6 speed. As far as pricing I think that Acura is right on the money. Its a fair price, sure you will get discounts later but its a great starting point. The Premium TL only went up $300 thats less than 1%. Factor in that your getting navi which is a $2500 difference the Type S is only 2k more. Different wheels, Brembo brakes, more horsepower, different suspension, paddle shifters. A read in some posts that the G35 will out sell the TL. I did a little research and sedan vs sedan it never has. Here are some numbers that I gathered from annual sales data. 2003 35765 vs 56770. 2004 42800 vs 77895. 2005 42779 vs 78218 and YTD for 06 26802 vs 54274. The TL will always outsell the G. Its because there is not enough people that want or need a RWD 300 hp sedan to drive to work or drop off the kids when there is a 286 hp sedan that does it better and has better value. Besides the ergonomics in the G are terrible. They have made adjustments for 06 and low and behold its very TLish. Thats my 2 cents.

socal16

I just got back from the Orange County Auto Show and Acura had a blue 07 Type-S on display. I was not that impressed. The TypeS body style is bland...the A-Spec body kit looks way better. The rims are even uglier in person...they do not match the car at all (but I've never been a big fan of those types of rims). The lights on the side mirrors did not look as good as I had originally though. The new fog lights were nice. The interior is only slightly improved. I liked the alluminum race pedals (similar to SuperComputer's). The interior was tan, so the seats were NOT two toned. The new bucket seats were comfortable as hell. The red gauges were nice, but I prefer the blue.

What I really liked was the improved NAVI. The new screen layout is awesome! The menu design is way cool. You can change the screen display to a number of different colors. All the radio controls are now touch screen (changing from FM to XM, etc.).

So for me, the improvements are hit and miss. I liked some things, but disliked other things. It's still an awesome ride though!

cM3go

A lot of people on this forum complained when the A-spec kit came out, saying, that for cosmetic mods and minor suspension mods, the 4K was not worth it. There are TONS of A-spec TL owners, because there is always someone who likes it enough or is willing to pay for it. As Poocha said, in a few months, you'll be able to get the Type-S for near invoice, so who cares that the MSRP is at 39K, price out a similar car with all those features, it will be at or beyond that price. It doesn't surprise me that those asking for RWD are in warm weather climates, I have news for you, a good portion of this country has 4 seasons! RWD is not the ideal setup for that.

cuteguy1414

iTrader: (1)

Why will I buy the TL-S for 45K when I can buy a used Lexus IS 350 with 2 thou plus miles for a little over K.. 306 HP versus 286. Check out cars.com for the used is350's.

SouthernBoy

Amen. I wish all of the moderators would do this. Civility is fast becoming a lost art.

ggesq

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TL-S for 45k??? Is that assuming your paying MSRP when in hits dealerships sometime in the near future and add every accessory known to Acura to it?

C'mon- let's get real! In a few months- the TL-S price will drop and in IMHO will still remain a good value.

ggesq

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I agree

ggesq

iTrader: (1)

The base MSRP only went up a few hundred dollars on the base TL w/ navi----new transmission, fog lights on the bottom, new taillights, new steering wheel, climate control in the steering wheel, daytime running lights, updated rims just to mention a few is not worth the few hundred dollar price increase?

ggesq

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Manual tranny sales account for less than 20% of the TL sales. Acura probably came to the conclusion that those who want a manual tranny also probably want more hp and a more sport oriented ride

edsonfire

my dealer told me they have 30 2007 TL's comming on oct 20th. he said about 10 TL-S but only one is a TL-S MT. so basically were not far off from seeing them first hand.

my opinion (like it matters!).....

1 year ago i bought a CPO '05 A-SPEC (no navi) w/only 8000 miles on it for 29500 out the door. i got quoted by my dealership for a brand new one would be 40000 out the door. i would have never bought an a-spec for 40k. thats ridiculous.
so i guess asking 39k for a TL-S isnt that outrageous (unless you add the body kit and 18' wheels, then were at like 43k) with the extra features theyve added. i sure would like an 30 hp and some turn signal mirrors but really dont like the new front end with the fog lights. looks to much like a tsx. im also more into the blue interior lights of old than the new red. and i hate those new stock wheels. god are those bad!

basically, if i can find an 07 TL-S CPO in spring with a 10k price break from new like i did with my a-spec, Ill take it. other than that, im perfectly happy with what i have now.

chill_dog

1) The price is right considering the features. The car still offers more than a similarly equipped BMW, Mercedes, or Lexus, and is therefore, still a bargain.

2) The majority of the world doesn't care about 30 horses, so $10k more for an IS to get 306 hp isn't going to appeal to most people.

3) Same goes for the drivetrain and the transmission...a lot of people want or need FWD, and manuals are going the way of the dinosaur, whether you like it or not.

4) Bottom line, the new TL and TL-S will sell just as well as the 04-06 versions did. Most people here are enthusiasts, and enthusiasts make up a very small percentage of the overall market. These cars aren't Porsche's or Ferrari's; they're designed for the masses, and the masses will keep buying them.

badazzTL

Those of you saying the TL-S isn't worth the extra $4,xxx, you are crazy. Look at all the extra features that come with the type-S. The navi and bigger engine more than justify the difference in cost. I thought people on here would be more supportive of Acura coming out with an S. Especially since most of you on here will end up spending at least $4k extra on a non-S trying to make it faster/look better/whatever. It's an awesome car!

mavz44

I would not pay any more than $34,250 for the TL-S and no more than $32,300 for the base TL w/navi before ttl. I like everything they have done to the 07 models...especially the fog lights, better leather seats, and the new key fob. I think most of us agree that going with the red interior lights on the TL-S was a mistake. Well that's my

levon1830

Well, I just called my dealership, and they don't have any '07 TL's on the lot yet.

But they do have a black '07 MDX! Looks like I'll be making that trip tonight.

siocontl

Got my TL 2007 brochure today from the dealer! It's nice!

acuraz88

My thoughts exactly!! I'll wait until around August or September 07 to pick up a Type-S for around 34 grand..

Gadgets

I guess I will give my opinion on the TL-S pricing. (note I do not plan to get one nor do I have one now. We were going to get an ’06 TL 6speed, but our plans changed unfortunately). The standard navigation I think is a mistake. Yeah, lots of people like them, especially those who already have it. I think back to how the 2005 RL came with navigation standard. I think Honda realized that mistake because one year later you can get one without it. Those who are cross shopping manual G35 without navigation to a manual TL now are now going to have to get a TL-S, which is priced higher due to the standard navigation. I am probably one of the few people who want a good looking car that is quick but without all those luxury items. I just don’t need them. The 2006 TL was priced so well that it came with all those things I didn’t need at a price close to the competition’s base model. That was a great value. Now the only way to get a manual is to pay around $38K, which is lot more than what you could get a 2006 for. Yeah, there is more power and other improved items, but the standard navigation really bumps up the price so high that some may turn away from Acura.

The 17” wheels are a joke at this price point. The new CR-V now has 17” wheels. The 18” Aspec wheels should have been standard.

That’s my

iamspartacus

TLS- I think b4 I give my opinion , I want to drive one.

I am at a cross roads here. I have a 2005 TL. Looking at adding New wheels tires, Coil overs, CAE and possibly work on the exhaust. All that Adds up.. aoound 5K .

When I heard about the TL -S I plan on holding off until I drive it.

I do think the new wheels are ugly.. So im thinking about makeing that purchase anyway and switching them out.

Lets all drive one and repost.

S PAW 1

Southern Boy.....a few dollars more for the manual? I don't believe the diff between 33K and 38K to be a few
I have been an Acura owner since 1998, and my worth is that they are pricing themselves out of the market, at least the mass produced market.
I see people complaining on the forums that there are TOO many TL's where they live in their particular section of the country. Look at the locations where so many mods are being made (where you can). They are generally in those areas that have a high volume of TL sales. For those people that are willing to spend the money to be different (special?), they will buy the type "S".
I'll keep my baby for awhile, and see what happens. I know my resale value jumped
Havin' too much fun with my $32K luxury go-kart
Strictly medicinal at my age even though doc wouldn't write a prescription)))

'05 TL 6MT EBP
K&N Typhoon intake
A Spec suspension
Michelin Pilot A/S
V1 on the lookout

GIVER

My main gripes with the TL-S are the red interior lights and the new rims. Neither one goes with the car and makes it ricey.

Everyone here seems to judging it based on MSRP. I pitty the fool that pays MSRP.
I got my NBP/Ebony '06 TL AT w/Navi for $31,600 (includes dest. & prep) + NY tax. I think the TL-S can be picked up for around $34,500-35,500 in a few months. At that price, it still blows away the competition.

I also want to point out that this is not the last year 3rd gen. TL (at least I think so). I give Acura A LOT of credit for designing my dream car and offering it at such an incredible price, I think Acura's got some more tricks up their sleaves and will blow our minds with the 2008 TL-S to finish off their successful run in the 3rd gen TL series.

My

Bammyz

I have to agree with you. Acura is just giving what the people wanted, and now they are still not happy.

People have to understand that Acura is the LUXURY division of Honda - they make luxury performance vehicles, NOT "racecars"!

So, Acura went and offered the TL-S to satisfy those "racecar" enthusiasts - so, people have a choice! My philosophy is this: "You want more performance, you are gonna have to pay for it, period!"

Furthermore, I don't think that the TL-S is TOO expensive, when you look at the BIG picture and everything that Acura offers (which is "standard") compared to other car manufacturers out there, European and Japanese alike that don't even come CLOSE to what Acura offers!

I looked around before I bought my TL and it was not a hard decision, when I saw what else is out there!

badazzTL

I agree 100%
I wish everyone would quit yapping about the price, there is no other car on the market I'd rather have for mid to high 30's.

OUTATIME

I think what most people on this board are not understanding is that they just picked up their TLs within the last 2 years, and are not shopping for one. I don't even have a TL yet and was about to get an 06 left-over but waited on the 07 and honestly I'm impressed.

Lack of AWD is the only thing im regretting about this, but most other cars are lacking even more important things that I want. For example the IS350 is only RWD (I live in the northeast so we get snow) and no manual tranny, IS250 no AWD with manual tranny and its too slow. Bimmer 328xi - almost everything except the bigger 3.5L engine but even the 328xi is over $45k - almost $10k more than a comparably equipped TL-S. Audi A4 3.2 has EVERYTHING i want but then again its also $45k comparably equipped. Honestly, I think when most people look at a car in the luxury midsize segment for under $40k which can do almost everything an Audi, BMW or Lexus can at over $40k, people will at least consider it, if not, sold over a euro or a Lexus.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who feels this way and if Acura can sway me, then they can sway a hefty chunk of people shopping in this segment.

dragontales

Do you guys think we can pick up the TLS at the price of MSRP out the door? I am talking about the first 2 months or so.

Spheno_3SXZERO

Heh, I was playing around with sum numbers with the TL-S, Z, and the G35 all 6Spds and with Navi, so nearly loaded I guess...
Specs Curb Wt / HP & TQ
TL-S - 286 HP 12.45
256 TQ 13.91
3,560 Curb Wt.
$38,500

Z Roadster - 300 HP 12 11.33(coupe)
260 TQ 13.85 13.08 (coupe)
3,600 Curb Wt. (3,400 Coupe)
$42,400

G35 Coupe - 298 HP 11.83
260 TQ 13.55
3,524 Curb Wt.
$39,150

Prices are a rough figure based on build and price...however, I was just noticing the numbers on these 3 cars that I was interested in and they all seem to be fairly comparable...you can argue what you want based on your own preferences, but there doesn't seem to be any huge differences worth fighting about. So maybe Acura isn't doing such a bad job at pricing after all, but who knows, I haven't bought mine yet. :-) My story might change after I start paying $900/Month

ggesq

iTrader: (1)

Within the first 2 months, OTD at MSRP----I doubt it but good luck

bob shiftright

The BMW 335i stickers at $39,395, they've just arrived, and they are being discounted.