My neighbor has an 02 BMW 330i MT, and I have an 08 TL TYPE-S AT. I have a AEM CAI, and he has K&N , what do you think will happen- 1) from a dig 2) from 20mph roll 3) 40mph roll. This is about a week away, just wanted to know what to expect- thx

Easy win...

dont waste ur gas

ok-sweet, nough said

omg im sorry to go so off topic here but ur dog is adorbale..lol its a black lab rite..hes so cute.. i used to have a black one to but now i have a yellow lab and hes a doofus..lol

ooo and BTW u should win hands down the older BMW 330 isnt as fast as a type S.

the 02 330 has a 3.0 liter V6 225 hp ur a 3.5 with 286 plus the intake maybe 290 or alil more u should deff smoke him.. ive raced the older bimmers to in my accord and i beat them with ease so u should have no problem at all good luck let us know the results..

ahha! labs are great ,and yours looks like hes gonna be a big boy! huge paws- i think i will beat him as well, however- i am curious to see by how much from each race- thanks!

all you hands down. although from a dig, he might hold his ground for a bit until you get into your powerband.

yea- i mean, ive driven his several times and its pretty quick, and viceversa, his is really quick off the line, but like you said- that should just be from a dig- from the rolls i think i should pull easily-

his K&N is shit it wont give him any extra horsepower, just less filteration. You deff smoke him roll&dig.

the 330 doesnt stand a chance i have a base TL and i win no prob

The E46 330i has NOTHING for a TL Type S. Period.

Should be an easy win for you, the e46 330s are slow. The e90 330s are a bit faster with around 255hp, a year later they became the 335s.

The 330i manuals are legit 14.6@96mph cars. IMO, that's enough to make it interesting for a newer auto TL-S.

With a good driver.

How quick is an '02 330i (e46) auto? My friend has one that's stock - he thinks he'll take my lightly-modded 2G TL-S.

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The 02 330i auto vs the 2G TLS is a drivers race, but being modded, I will go with the 2G TLS. They both run high 14's to low 15's stock.

Thats what I was thinking. Its going to be alot closer than people think. If the guy can launch his 330i well the TL-S auto might be seeing taillights until he pulls in the higher end. I have seen 2.1 60fts for those 330i manuals and I haven't seen that for the TL-S auto yet.

Hopefully you kick his arse! Go TL-S!

I agree. I think it was MT that ran an e46 330i with sport package to 60 in 5.8 and a 14.4x at around 96mph. Likely an anomaly but you never know. From a roll, my money is on the TL-S, but from a dig it's not going to be the cake walk everyone thinks if the guy can drive.

If we were talking the 255 hp e90/92, that 330 runs the aforementioned numbers consistently.

You should pull top end. If he knows how to launch, you will be playing catchup until 3rd gear where you should pass him. If you were 6MT it'd be a different story..but they are RWD and relatively light so he may get you off the launch despite your torque advantage.

ANX you really are pouring on the mods recently! (Based on sig). That's what I like to see!

LOL....the only new one is the V1. Everything else has been on the car for a year!

I disagree. Based on the numbers damnboy37 posted if the 330i only has what 225 crank hp or something in that ball park even with the auto the 2g TL-s should pull by third gear.

Unfortunately, Dragtimes.com only shows slips from the E90 330i, with one mention of the CD time mentioned above.

yea- his is the sport package- and like I said, its pretty quick from a dig with a solid launch. At the 20mph roll i will be in 1st with SS, and from 40 i will be in 2nd SS- and i believe I will pull consistently throughout the race (from both rolls). Although I do believe it will be closer than I'd like to have it (from a dig), but we will find out- T minus 5 days-

Maybe you just changed your sig? Sigh..my bad haha.

Actually I did change it from BB exhaust to Excelerate which made it longer. Josh was upset I wasn't giving him credit instead of Billy Boat.

Don't forgot guys, BMW horses are always stronger. The 300hp I6TT is making more along the lines of 340hp and the regular 230hp I6 is making along the lines of 250hp. Either BMW underrates their motors or they overestimate drivetrain losses. Simply put, BMWs move faster than their power ratings suggest.

Let's just say i6 delivers smoother power than v6.

330i's are actually really pretty quick. I think the race would be closer than everybody is saying. I think the TL will probably edge it out, but it's definitely not going to be a blowout.

A 02 330 is only 225 hp...compare to the type-s 286hp + he got a intake.

you think its still going to be a close race? na

^^ Yes because it's not all about HP. The 330i is a good deal lighter plus doesn't lose as much to the drivetrain since he is MT. That 286hp even with the intake is probably around 230-235whp. And like Dave said, if they are underrated, the BMW is probably pushing 202-210whp in a lighter shell and better gearing. It will be close but I stand by my initial guess that the Type S should pull in 3rd.

^ I agree, those 330i are underrated, light, better gearing. Also another thing to look at is torque at the wheel, where most people always looking at who has more hp. Most of German cars have flat torque curve and they usually make somewhere in the 2-3K rpm range all the way to red line. Torque is what moving the car.

Good point. You're right..those German cars have 1/4 mile track flat torque curves from low RPM's. We do have a relatively flat torque curve as well, but even with the smaller motor, there torque is more linear and comes sooner.

You should take him. I've not lost to one yet and that was without my BB TBs, HiFlo CAT and IM MMs.

Ruf


02 WDP TLS Black Interior w/ Black Grill Inserts
**1/4mile 14.46 @96.07MPH (45-70mph test - 3.5 secs)
(**before headers, Hi-flow CAT, IMMs & Bored out Intake)
17x7 Konig Appeals SMF -
P225/45ZR-17 Bridgestone RE960 AS (used Ziex 512s track only)
CT Icebox, RamAir, Sways & Springs
3nd Gen Innovative Motor Mounts - Front & Side Only
BBTBs, Mugen Cooling Mods & Thermoblok
Ceramic Coated XS Headers & Random-Tech Hiflow CAT
NEO Anti Freeze & 5w-20 oil
Tranny #3 Installed 11.17.2008

That explains the #3 tranny in your car. LOL

when u take a ride with Ruf, you will understand... he doesn't drive his TL, he slaps it, flips it, and rubs it down!!!

and the 2G AT are glass trannys too so that doesn't help it...

Exactly. Manual e46 330i's have been dynoed in the 200-205 range with similar tq numbers. Divide the BMW's ~3300 curb weight by those numbers and then do the same with the TL-S's 3670 by ~235 and the TL has only a marginal power to weight advantage, which will be partially neutered by the 5AT. I'm still betting on the TL, but it will be closer than most think.

OH NOOOOOOO!!















....couldn't pass that up.

Jeowen....when are you going to make that run?

thanks,

I'm jeowen's neighbor BTW with the 330...I actually think the TL will win - but not by much - what I'd like is to have some turns on this...BMWs aren't really made for straight line speed, but get on into a corner and there's not many cars that can keep up...

enjoy reading the threads here,
koonjo1