08 Type S vs 11 5.0L Mustang vs Bmw 335i Coupe vs s2000 vs Neon srt4
01-24-2012, 10:53 AM
#42
All motor
^^ That I can't help you with. But yes, it'd be nice to at least see 1 dyno of aforementioned claims of 300whp. However, numbers aren't everything. I'd rather see a 13.5 @104-105mph pass than a 300hp dyno.
01-24-2012, 12:59 PM
#44
Suzuka Master
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Raleigh, NC - USA
Age: 82
Posts: 7,674
Received 2,599 Likes
on
1,581 Posts
We are only talking about $75 which is chump change based on the claimed mods & I for one when modifying anything make a base line & follow-ups to insure I am going the right way with any changes I make.
When you start talking drag radials that is a game changer because the 335i is traction limited on the stock tires, Try finding a stock one with street slicks & get the numbers.
Its interesting it always gets back to a modified TL against a stock 335i when for less then $500 for a JB4 you can boost a 335i to a base of 365whp with no bolts ons & dip into the 12's
Last edited by BEAR-AvHistory; 01-24-2012 at 01:01 PM.
01-24-2012, 01:50 PM
#45
All motor
There is no dyno saying 300whp or time slip either. Can he do it, maybe, but anyone can claim anything on the net & dyno runs have been promised a long time back & notforthcoming. A vid of the dyno run would be great & I would be the first to say well done.
We are only talking about $75 which is chump change based on the claimed mods & I for one when modifying anything make a base line & follow-ups to insure I am going the right way with any changes I make.
When you start talking drag radials that is a game changer because the 335i is traction limited on the stock tires, Try finding a stock one with street slicks & get the numbers.
Its interesting it always gets back to a modified TL against a stock 335i when for less then $500 for a JB4 you can boost a 335i to a base of 365whp with no bolts ons & dip into the 12's
We are only talking about $75 which is chump change based on the claimed mods & I for one when modifying anything make a base line & follow-ups to insure I am going the right way with any changes I make.
When you start talking drag radials that is a game changer because the 335i is traction limited on the stock tires, Try finding a stock one with street slicks & get the numbers.
Its interesting it always gets back to a modified TL against a stock 335i when for less then $500 for a JB4 you can boost a 335i to a base of 365whp with no bolts ons & dip into the 12's
We all know, being FWD, that it's much harder to come across sub 2.1 60' times unless on DRs. I'm 95% sure I've seen 335s on stock tires pull sub 2.0 60'. I'm not here to argue who has the potential to launch better or get the better 1/4 ET, the answer is clear. All the OP is saying and with this I concur, is that from a roll, the 6MT TL is no slouch.
Like I said in my post, once you mod the 335i it's no contest. The comparisons are always going to be between a "modded" TL and a "stock" 335i because the BMW is a good bit faster in stock form. For a SOHC V6, the TL pulls very nicely considering what it's up against.
The BMW is in a different league performance wise as a whole, especially when modded. But, a bolt on TL 6MT can prove to be quite impressive from a roll against a stock 335i. That's all.
01-24-2012, 03:03 PM
#46
Suzuka Master
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Raleigh, NC - USA
Age: 82
Posts: 7,674
Received 2,599 Likes
on
1,581 Posts
^^^^
Sounds fair
Sounds fair
01-25-2012, 12:20 AM
#47
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (2)
I'm glad that anx and I are on the same page, 'cause now I can tell my bad ass kill stories.
1'st I ran this GT-R and smoked that fool. I was all like "wrong gear bro", he was all like "I guess that's how you burn a AMS 1,500HP GT-R", and I was all like "fo sho".
Then there was this foo in a TT Lambo...
1'st I ran this GT-R and smoked that fool. I was all like "wrong gear bro", he was all like "I guess that's how you burn a AMS 1,500HP GT-R", and I was all like "fo sho".
Then there was this foo in a TT Lambo...
Way to contribute 
13.46 is a great time. But what we are talking about is a highway roll. In this case, 1/4 mile ETs mean nothing. The 335i is a quick car, but it is by no means a 'modded TL 6 speed killer' in stock form. I've ran a 335i from a dig (auto) and he got the hit/launch and stayed about 1-1.5 cars ahead of me until 100mph. No one pulled at all. It's not that hard to believe considering they consistently trap 100-102 in the 1/4. There are a few that trap higher, but conditions will apply.
It seems the 335i was 6MT in this case. I believe the 6MT are geared more aggressively in terms of a roll race, so it would put up a better fight vs the AT. The TL-s seems to have the power advantage here being at 300whp compared to most 335s at ~270-275whp, and is also ~150lbs lighter than stock, putting him at the weight of a base TL. However, the 335 has the torque advantage. The TL's shorter gearing should prove advantageous, but at the same time, the 335s torque should outweigh it despite the longer gears. Point is, it should really be a drivers race.
There is a video of a Stage 2 MK6 GTI 6MT pulling on a 335i 6MT from a roll by 1 car. Obviously 1 run isn't conclusive evidence, but it's something to base off of at least. I ran a Stage 2 MK5 GTI DSG on 100oct tune/meth about 4 times. He would consistently pull ~1-1.5 cars from a 40 roll to ~85, whereas I would come back in 4th and pull decently after 100. Point being, since the run with the 335 clearly went past 115-120, I could imagine the fully bolted 6MT Type S to creep ever so slightly. Obviously after modding the 335 it would be no contest.
The GT we can all agree was either in the wrong gear to start, thought the TL was going to be slower, or just really needed a different driver behind the wheel. The GT traps upwards of 110mph in stock form, so there's no real challenge there unless the TL were boosted.
There was a base TL 6 speed on this site that ran a 13.3 @103.x with bolt ons/tires untuned. Everyone seems to forget about that. Obviously it was only 1 person, but it's also the only person I've seen to run a drag radial on the TL. Hence, the only one with times like that. A 103 trap is pretty good for bolt ons as well, and I'm pretty sure he replicated the results.
13.46 is a great time. But what we are talking about is a highway roll. In this case, 1/4 mile ETs mean nothing. The 335i is a quick car, but it is by no means a 'modded TL 6 speed killer' in stock form. I've ran a 335i from a dig (auto) and he got the hit/launch and stayed about 1-1.5 cars ahead of me until 100mph. No one pulled at all. It's not that hard to believe considering they consistently trap 100-102 in the 1/4. There are a few that trap higher, but conditions will apply.
It seems the 335i was 6MT in this case. I believe the 6MT are geared more aggressively in terms of a roll race, so it would put up a better fight vs the AT. The TL-s seems to have the power advantage here being at 300whp compared to most 335s at ~270-275whp, and is also ~150lbs lighter than stock, putting him at the weight of a base TL. However, the 335 has the torque advantage. The TL's shorter gearing should prove advantageous, but at the same time, the 335s torque should outweigh it despite the longer gears. Point is, it should really be a drivers race.
There is a video of a Stage 2 MK6 GTI 6MT pulling on a 335i 6MT from a roll by 1 car. Obviously 1 run isn't conclusive evidence, but it's something to base off of at least. I ran a Stage 2 MK5 GTI DSG on 100oct tune/meth about 4 times. He would consistently pull ~1-1.5 cars from a 40 roll to ~85, whereas I would come back in 4th and pull decently after 100. Point being, since the run with the 335 clearly went past 115-120, I could imagine the fully bolted 6MT Type S to creep ever so slightly. Obviously after modding the 335 it would be no contest.
The GT we can all agree was either in the wrong gear to start, thought the TL was going to be slower, or just really needed a different driver behind the wheel. The GT traps upwards of 110mph in stock form, so there's no real challenge there unless the TL were boosted.
There was a base TL 6 speed on this site that ran a 13.3 @103.x with bolt ons/tires untuned. Everyone seems to forget about that. Obviously it was only 1 person, but it's also the only person I've seen to run a drag radial on the TL. Hence, the only one with times like that. A 103 trap is pretty good for bolt ons as well, and I'm pretty sure he replicated the results.
For the record, I highly doubt OP's car would make 300 SAE whp on a Dynojet. Never did get the details on dyno brand etc. I think people get a little carried away with what these cars gain from mods, but being that stock is ~250, I could see 275-280, and once the ecu is in, he'll be higher.
01-25-2012, 04:07 AM
#49
Suzuka Master
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Raleigh, NC - USA
Age: 82
Posts: 7,674
Received 2,599 Likes
on
1,581 Posts
Have not seen much posted but are there any stock TL dyno sheets available? Never did mine.
01-25-2012, 07:36 AM
#52
Suzuka Master
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Raleigh, NC - USA
Age: 82
Posts: 7,674
Received 2,599 Likes
on
1,581 Posts
01-25-2012, 08:56 AM
#53
All motor
Justin (justnspace) had a dyno comparing his 6MT TL with I/PCDs to a stock 6MT TL. The gains were very nice across the entire powerband. I forget which thread the comparison is in though 
There are plenty of dyno plots in the Group Buy ECU thread though. Results are as follows:
I/Jpipe/E - Stock ECU - 224/211
I/Jpipe/E - JnR ECU - 245/225
I/Jpipe/E/PCDs - JnR - 271/242
So by adding PCDs/JnR ECU, there was a 47whp/31wtq gain. That's insane. Not only peak numbers, but the gain throughout the powerband was substantial. 30whp/tq in some areas. Average increase across the whole range I'd say is 20+. The "dip" at 4k when the butterflies open up and VTEC were both smoothed out as well when VTEC was moved slightly higher (5K). This lead to an increased midrange and a TABLE TOP flat torque curve.
There are plenty of dyno plots in the Group Buy ECU thread though. Results are as follows:
I/Jpipe/E - Stock ECU - 224/211
I/Jpipe/E - JnR ECU - 245/225
I/Jpipe/E/PCDs - JnR - 271/242
So by adding PCDs/JnR ECU, there was a 47whp/31wtq gain. That's insane. Not only peak numbers, but the gain throughout the powerband was substantial. 30whp/tq in some areas. Average increase across the whole range I'd say is 20+. The "dip" at 4k when the butterflies open up and VTEC were both smoothed out as well when VTEC was moved slightly higher (5K). This lead to an increased midrange and a TABLE TOP flat torque curve.
Last edited by Sonnick; 01-25-2012 at 08:58 AM.
01-25-2012, 09:43 AM
#55
All motor
^ I knew you'd chime in. 4 minutes later phew you don't waste any time 
My mistake, I thought you had I/PCDs for whatever reason. Now that I think about it though I can remember you having the V3 Jpipe. So you are still running the stock intake? Did you at least delete the resonator in there?
My mistake, I thought you had I/PCDs for whatever reason. Now that I think about it though I can remember you having the V3 Jpipe. So you are still running the stock intake? Did you at least delete the resonator in there?
01-25-2012, 09:49 AM
#56
running stock intake.
no, did not remove resonator.
i thought it was proved that the stock air filter out flows the throttle body at WOT.
later down the road, I might mimic the CT-E Icebox intake.
Velocity stack at bottom opening of bumper with straight pipe leading to the factory airbox location.
*edit - might as well list out all my plans.
thinking of swapping the 3.5 type-s heads over.
while porting and polishing the intake mani and its runners.
then a catback.
should be around 300hp. dont know if i'll hit that magic number tho.
no, did not remove resonator.
i thought it was proved that the stock air filter out flows the throttle body at WOT.
later down the road, I might mimic the CT-E Icebox intake.
Velocity stack at bottom opening of bumper with straight pipe leading to the factory airbox location.
*edit - might as well list out all my plans.
thinking of swapping the 3.5 type-s heads over.
while porting and polishing the intake mani and its runners.
then a catback.
should be around 300hp. dont know if i'll hit that magic number tho.
Last edited by justnspace; 01-25-2012 at 09:53 AM.
01-25-2012, 11:30 AM
#57
What, because I was done arguing something as stupid as this?
You're butt-hurt because your stupid comment about reading comprehension backfired and blew up in your face. Boom b1tch.
Look, you're an idiot and a little slow to catch on, I'll leave it at that.
1'st, the issue is that there are a lot of people who are delusional about how fast their car is, whether that's TL drivers, G37 drivers, Civic Si's, 370z's, etc. So, the problem isn't those who step in with a reality check, it's those who still have their heads up in the clouds.
2'nd, the TL may trap within 2 of the stock Neon, but it is closer to 5-6 on the 335, and 10-11 for the 5.0. You're reaching when you grab the highest stock TL-s trap you can find vs the lowest you can find for others (and you seem to shave another 1-2mph for good measure).
Why does Drag Times keep coming up? It's less realiable than Wikipedia.
The trap and ET tell you whether a car was quick off of the line and out of steam at the end of the quarter, or if it's going to run strong in the top end.
Two cars can run side by side, run the same et, but trap different speeds. The car with the higher trap is stronger up top and would have the advantage in a highway roll, but you wouldn't know that without also knowing the et.
And, just for the record, I believe the 5.0, even if it were in 3'rd @ 50mph, would have no problem pulling in this situation.
I was curious about something. 150lbs. is a lot of weight to drop. OP, what did you remove to arrive at that number. Most people pull out the spare, remove the owners manual, and claim serious weight reduction. I'm assuming that's not the case here.
You're butt-hurt because your stupid comment about reading comprehension backfired and blew up in your face. Boom b1tch.
Look, you're an idiot and a little slow to catch on, I'll leave it at that.
2'nd, the TL may trap within 2 of the stock Neon, but it is closer to 5-6 on the 335, and 10-11 for the 5.0. You're reaching when you grab the highest stock TL-s trap you can find vs the lowest you can find for others (and you seem to shave another 1-2mph for good measure).
Why does Drag Times keep coming up? It's less realiable than Wikipedia.
Two cars can run side by side, run the same et, but trap different speeds. The car with the higher trap is stronger up top and would have the advantage in a highway roll, but you wouldn't know that without also knowing the et.
And, just for the record, I believe the 5.0, even if it were in 3'rd @ 50mph, would have no problem pulling in this situation.
I was curious about something. 150lbs. is a lot of weight to drop. OP, what did you remove to arrive at that number. Most people pull out the spare, remove the owners manual, and claim serious weight reduction. I'm assuming that's not the case here.
01-25-2012, 11:36 AM
#58
Suzuka Master
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Raleigh, NC - USA
Age: 82
Posts: 7,674
Received 2,599 Likes
on
1,581 Posts
Justin,
Was one of the cars pure stock? Both torque curves are nice & flat
Was one of the cars pure stock? Both torque curves are nice & flat
01-25-2012, 11:46 AM
#60
Suzuka Master
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Raleigh, NC - USA
Age: 82
Posts: 7,674
Received 2,599 Likes
on
1,581 Posts
Quick thought on Drag Times. I use the BMW#'s because the posters are known & run against each other like Hotrod 182, Lostmarine, Shiv, Terry & a few others.
If they posted bogus numbers, since two of them produce competing products, they would get called out real fast. I would expect on other brands with high representation at the track the #'s would be good among known groups of guys, while there will always be posers in any brand..
If they posted bogus numbers, since two of them produce competing products, they would get called out real fast. I would expect on other brands with high representation at the track the #'s would be good among known groups of guys, while there will always be posers in any brand..
01-25-2012, 11:53 AM
#61
Pro
I stand firm, yes a TL is good with light weight mods and bolt on's but not stock 335 good in a straight line roll on the highway. In my TL I roll raced e46 m3's, ms3's, evo's etc and the TL was always just slightly behind anything that was boosted from stock. In fact, that's why I bought my evo also about the dyno graph above... The smoothing is turned up to 5, when you change smoothing your output rating raises or lowers so if you were to put the smoothing down to 0 the numbers would read a little lower. In other words the numbers are inflated 3-5 whp. That being said here's a stock 335 dyno
with matching 5 smoothing and the only mod is dci (dual cone intakes)
with matching 5 smoothing and the only mod is dci (dual cone intakes)
01-25-2012, 11:57 AM
#62
All motor
Every dyno reads differently. Yes, the curve of the 335i obviously looks more beefy than the TL, as there is more power under the curve. I wouldn't be surprised if said TL-s put down more HP on that same dyno. With shorter gear ratios, it could make the race interesting, considering the taller gear of the BMW may offset the torque advantage. It's not like we're saying he pulled a JB3 335. It was bone stock. They are fast out of the box, but not rocket ships. And he said it took a whole lot of time to pull.
And Idk if your TL was AT, but if so, then you are comparing a different car. The 6MT is a much quicker car.
Let's not also forget that in a street race, almost anything can happen. I ran a Charger SRT8 from a dig to ~100 and was ahead until mid 3rd. He spun at the line for about 2 seconds, giving me about a 1.5 car lead. As soon as I shifted to 3rd he went from my bumper to 1 car ahead and it stayed that way until 100. Do I think I can hang with an SRT8? No. I'd run one anyway to see how I compared, but in no way do I think I would hang within a car or 2.
Maybe the TL hit it first against the 5.0? And he was in the wrong gear? You never know. We all assume that both gas pedals depressed simultaneously and that each driver shifted with precision accuracy at the perfect RPM each time. This is rarely the case in any race, let alone a 3 honker on the interstate.
And Idk if your TL was AT, but if so, then you are comparing a different car. The 6MT is a much quicker car.
The trap and ET tell you whether a car was quick off of the line and out of steam at the end of the quarter, or if it's going to run strong in the top end.
True, but you can get a good idea that the TL is not so strong in the first 60' due to being FWD and tough to launch on stock tires. With a good street tire, that may differ. They have relatively strong top end for a SOHC V6; on par with some DOHC 6s and the reason why we can hang on highway rolls. Please don't take misunderstand this and claim I'm saying we can 'hang' with 5.0s. I'm merely stating that for a 3500lb 6cyl, the car does well and impresses plenty.
Two cars can run side by side, run the same et, but trap different speeds. The car with the higher trap is stronger up top and would have the advantage in a highway roll, but you wouldn't know that without also knowing the et.
If 2 cars are side by side yet trap differently, the only respective difference would be the RT. And even in that case, one of the cars would end up pulling noticeably even if the traps were as low as 1-2mph different.
And, just for the record, I believe the 5.0, even if it were in 3'rd @ 50mph, would have no problem pulling in this situation.
I'd imagine until the TL shifted to 3rd (~62) it'd creep slightly. Once the TL went into 3rd I have no doubts the GT would pull easily 2 cars in 3rd gear alone, and probably another 3+ in 4th.
True, but you can get a good idea that the TL is not so strong in the first 60' due to being FWD and tough to launch on stock tires. With a good street tire, that may differ. They have relatively strong top end for a SOHC V6; on par with some DOHC 6s and the reason why we can hang on highway rolls. Please don't take misunderstand this and claim I'm saying we can 'hang' with 5.0s. I'm merely stating that for a 3500lb 6cyl, the car does well and impresses plenty.
Two cars can run side by side, run the same et, but trap different speeds. The car with the higher trap is stronger up top and would have the advantage in a highway roll, but you wouldn't know that without also knowing the et.
If 2 cars are side by side yet trap differently, the only respective difference would be the RT. And even in that case, one of the cars would end up pulling noticeably even if the traps were as low as 1-2mph different.
And, just for the record, I believe the 5.0, even if it were in 3'rd @ 50mph, would have no problem pulling in this situation.
I'd imagine until the TL shifted to 3rd (~62) it'd creep slightly. Once the TL went into 3rd I have no doubts the GT would pull easily 2 cars in 3rd gear alone, and probably another 3+ in 4th.
Maybe the TL hit it first against the 5.0? And he was in the wrong gear? You never know. We all assume that both gas pedals depressed simultaneously and that each driver shifted with precision accuracy at the perfect RPM each time. This is rarely the case in any race, let alone a 3 honker on the interstate.
Last edited by Sonnick; 01-25-2012 at 12:03 PM.
01-25-2012, 03:33 PM
#63
Pro
^That's why I said that there are too many variables to believe this bogus story with no proof.
All my cars are manual including the TL that I had, we don't do auto's in my family lol.
Also, JB is up to level 4 now and I was trying to explain to you that all dyno's read differently which further debunks this theory.
So once again, there is no v6 that is hanging with an i6 twin turbo not even if his TL was modded except for having a turbo or a supercharger.
All my cars are manual including the TL that I had, we don't do auto's in my family lol.
Also, JB is up to level 4 now and I was trying to explain to you that all dyno's read differently which further debunks this theory.
So once again, there is no v6 that is hanging with an i6 twin turbo not even if his TL was modded except for having a turbo or a supercharger.
01-25-2012, 06:05 PM
#64
All motor
Are you talking about modded? I've already hung right next to 2 335s; both i not xi and neither convertibles. There are all motor RSXs in the 12s @112+, Maximas in the 12s, and modded TLs at least running well lol. To make a claim such as you have, that no all motor v6 is touching a 335 is ridiculous.
I understand the 335 performs much better and is in a different class. But, a modded TL 6 speed will keep up with a stock 335i if driven properly.
I understand the 335 performs much better and is in a different class. But, a modded TL 6 speed will keep up with a stock 335i if driven properly.
01-25-2012, 10:55 PM
#65
Suzuka Master
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Raleigh, NC - USA
Age: 82
Posts: 7,674
Received 2,599 Likes
on
1,581 Posts
Every dyno reads differently. Yes, the curve of the 335i obviously looks more beefy than the TL, as there is more power under the curve. I wouldn't be surprised if said TL-s put down more HP on that same dyno. With shorter gear ratios, it could make the race interesting, considering the taller gear of the BMW may offset the torque advantage. It's not like we're saying he pulled a JB3 335. It was bone stock. They are fast out of the box, but not rocket ships. And he said it took a whole lot of time to pull.
And Idk if your TL was AT, but if so, then you are comparing a different car. The 6MT is a much quicker car.
Let's not also forget that in a street race, almost anything can happen. I ran a Charger SRT8 from a dig to ~100 and was ahead until mid 3rd. He spun at the line for about 2 seconds, giving me about a 1.5 car lead. As soon as I shifted to 3rd he went from my bumper to 1 car ahead and it stayed that way until 100. Do I think I can hang with an SRT8? No. I'd run one anyway to see how I compared, but in no way do I think I would hang within a car or 2.
Maybe the TL hit it first against the 5.0? And he was in the wrong gear? You never know. We all assume that both gas pedals depressed simultaneously and that each driver shifted with precision accuracy at the perfect RPM each time. This is rarely the case in any race, let alone a 3 honker on the interstate.
And Idk if your TL was AT, but if so, then you are comparing a different car. The 6MT is a much quicker car.
Let's not also forget that in a street race, almost anything can happen. I ran a Charger SRT8 from a dig to ~100 and was ahead until mid 3rd. He spun at the line for about 2 seconds, giving me about a 1.5 car lead. As soon as I shifted to 3rd he went from my bumper to 1 car ahead and it stayed that way until 100. Do I think I can hang with an SRT8? No. I'd run one anyway to see how I compared, but in no way do I think I would hang within a car or 2.
Maybe the TL hit it first against the 5.0? And he was in the wrong gear? You never know. We all assume that both gas pedals depressed simultaneously and that each driver shifted with precision accuracy at the perfect RPM each time. This is rarely the case in any race, let alone a 3 honker on the interstate.
But there are any number lot of people on the forum who hear what they want to hear & only hear the “I ran a Charger SRT8 from a dig to ~100 and was ahead until mid 3rd” part & choose to believe they also have a competitive car to one that runs 12/13.
It’s the halo effect. The way the story gets repeated is, my buddy from the Acura forum has a bolt on Honda V6 6MT & it can hang with an SR8 up to 3rd gear.
01-25-2012, 11:12 PM
#66
Pro
Are you talking about modded? I've already hung right next to 2 335s; both i not xi and neither convertibles. There are all motor RSXs in the 12s @112+, Maximas in the 12s, and modded TLs at least running well lol. To make a claim such as you have, that no all motor v6 is touching a 335 is ridiculous.
I understand the 335 performs much better and is in a different class. But, a modded TL 6 speed will keep up with a stock 335i if driven properly.
I understand the 335 performs much better and is in a different class. But, a modded TL 6 speed will keep up with a stock 335i if driven properly.
01-25-2012, 11:30 PM
#67
Pro
YIKES
That is something that I guarentee you should not have said... Ill give you the benefit of the doubt and say you were talking about the TL and the 335i coupe. But still I am POSITIVE a 6mt tls with full boltons PnP IM and heads and ECU could take a 335i and put multiple legnths on it. My car the way it stands keeps up with a 335i vert until 4th gear and I dont even have a legit catback. I think if I do the above mods my auto could hang or put a length on a 335i coupe. And thats before I even get into cams...all N/Aedit: I didnt see your last post..but a TLS6 could keepup with a 35icoupe with fullboltons
Last edited by AtlM5; 01-25-2012 at 11:34 PM.
01-26-2012, 12:36 AM
#68
Pro
YIKES That is something that I guarentee you should not have said... Ill give you the benefit of the doubt and say you were talking about the TL and the 335i coupe. But still I am POSITIVE a 6mt tls with full boltons PnP IM and heads and ECU could take a 335i and put multiple legnths on it. My car the way it stands keeps up with a 335i vert until 4th gear and I dont even have a legit catback. I think if I do the above mods my auto could hang or put a length on a 335i coupe. And thats before I even get into cams...all N/A
edit: I didnt see your last post..but a TLS6 could keepup with a 35icoupe with fullboltons
That is something that I guarentee you should not have said... Ill give you the benefit of the doubt and say you were talking about the TL and the 335i coupe. But still I am POSITIVE a 6mt tls with full boltons PnP IM and heads and ECU could take a 335i and put multiple legnths on it. My car the way it stands keeps up with a 335i vert until 4th gear and I dont even have a legit catback. I think if I do the above mods my auto could hang or put a length on a 335i coupe. And thats before I even get into cams...all N/Aedit: I didnt see your last post..but a TLS6 could keepup with a 35icoupe with fullboltons
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/my-evo-10-vs-9-135-vs-gto-839945/
Let's just see some proof, like I said bolt on TL's are good but I don't believe it will overtake the cars stated that's all no biggie.
01-26-2012, 05:42 AM
#70
Suzuka Master
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Raleigh, NC - USA
Age: 82
Posts: 7,674
Received 2,599 Likes
on
1,581 Posts
01-26-2012, 06:18 AM
#71
Suzuka Master
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Raleigh, NC - USA
Age: 82
Posts: 7,674
Received 2,599 Likes
on
1,581 Posts
The problem with all the speculation is its speculation. I just hit the last few pages of the sticky above & came up with numbers that would suggest a bolted TL might not be all that competitive with a car that typically never drops out of the 13's without a driver error.
2003 Accord Ex V6 Coupe 5AT
-3270LBS at SIR- 14.666@97.17 I/E - Corrected!
Injen CAI/Magnaflow CB/Unorthodox Racing Crank Pulley/Richies RV6 V3 J-Pipe/Innovative 60A Street Mounts(Black) Neuspeed Strut Bar, 06 TL 6MT 27.2mm Front Hollow Sway Bar/08 TL-S 6MT 20mm Solid Rear Sway Bar, Amsoil Synthetic ATF, Mobil 1 Synthetic 5W30
Don't forget my 14.04 @99.71 with intake/Jpipe
Type-S 09 (13.9 @99.9) had a UR pulley as well.
Reese has the N/A time/trap to beat thus far. 13.61 @104 with just bolt ons/porting/untuned.
There have been some good numbers here and there. A base 6MT 3G, intake only, at 13.90 @ 99+, another base 6MT with just intake/catback/DR's at 14.08 @ 100+, a bone stock Type-S 6MT at 14.07 @ 99+.
Best run below
R/T: .080
60': 2.162
330: 6.122
1/8: 9.388
MPH: 75.07
1000: 12.177
1/4: 14.425
MPH: 96.27
2006 SSM Accord 6MT Coupe
CAI/Full catless exhaust/Ported IM
250whp/209wtq
60' ... 2.409
330 ... 6.323
1/8 ... 9.459
MPH ... 78.72
1000 ... 12.114
1/4 ... 14.358
types
60ft - 2.21
330ft - 6.16
ET @ 594ft - 8.74
1/8 MPH - 77.61
1000' ET - 14.27
1/4 MPH - 103.02
06' 6MT NBP, AEM, Maxbore 71/68 mm TB, port matched IM, P2R Ported Runners, UR Pulley, RV6 HFC, ATLP J/Race Pipes, Excelerate Res Cat-Back, Slave Mod, Moddiction shift knob, Power Slot Rotors/EBC Reds, Koni Yellows/H&R Sports, Progress RSB, V-LED's, Valentine One
First and best: 14.43 @ 98.04 on a 2.24 sixty foot. (Odd to get your best 60 right off the bat) The rest were a bunch of 14.50's and 60's all at 98.xx, with one 97.82.
MPH ... 100.46
60' ... 2.335
330 ... 6.187
1/8 ... 9.273
MPH ... 79.78
1000 ... 11.901
1/4 ... 14.128
MPH ... 101.17
60' ... 2.261
330 ... 6.316
1/8 ... 9.503
MPH ... 77.64
1000 ... 12.179
1/4 ... 14.430
MPH ... 100.19
BTW one common thread here is most of the cars have used up 9 seconds in the first 1/8 mile running in the 70/80 mph range. Its real hard for a small displacement N/A motor at that speed to finish out in just 5 more seconds.
2003 Accord Ex V6 Coupe 5AT
-3270LBS at SIR- 14.666@97.17 I/E - Corrected!
Injen CAI/Magnaflow CB/Unorthodox Racing Crank Pulley/Richies RV6 V3 J-Pipe/Innovative 60A Street Mounts(Black) Neuspeed Strut Bar, 06 TL 6MT 27.2mm Front Hollow Sway Bar/08 TL-S 6MT 20mm Solid Rear Sway Bar, Amsoil Synthetic ATF, Mobil 1 Synthetic 5W30
Don't forget my 14.04 @99.71 with intake/Jpipe
Type-S 09 (13.9 @99.9) had a UR pulley as well.
Reese has the N/A time/trap to beat thus far. 13.61 @104 with just bolt ons/porting/untuned.
There have been some good numbers here and there. A base 6MT 3G, intake only, at 13.90 @ 99+, another base 6MT with just intake/catback/DR's at 14.08 @ 100+, a bone stock Type-S 6MT at 14.07 @ 99+.
Best run below
R/T: .080
60': 2.162
330: 6.122
1/8: 9.388
MPH: 75.07
1000: 12.177
1/4: 14.425
MPH: 96.27
2006 SSM Accord 6MT Coupe
CAI/Full catless exhaust/Ported IM
250whp/209wtq
60' ... 2.409
330 ... 6.323
1/8 ... 9.459
MPH ... 78.72
1000 ... 12.114
1/4 ... 14.358
types
60ft - 2.21
330ft - 6.16
ET @ 594ft - 8.74
1/8 MPH - 77.61
1000' ET - 14.27
1/4 MPH - 103.02
06' 6MT NBP, AEM, Maxbore 71/68 mm TB, port matched IM, P2R Ported Runners, UR Pulley, RV6 HFC, ATLP J/Race Pipes, Excelerate Res Cat-Back, Slave Mod, Moddiction shift knob, Power Slot Rotors/EBC Reds, Koni Yellows/H&R Sports, Progress RSB, V-LED's, Valentine One
First and best: 14.43 @ 98.04 on a 2.24 sixty foot. (Odd to get your best 60 right off the bat) The rest were a bunch of 14.50's and 60's all at 98.xx, with one 97.82.
MPH ... 100.46
60' ... 2.335
330 ... 6.187
1/8 ... 9.273
MPH ... 79.78
1000 ... 11.901
1/4 ... 14.128
MPH ... 101.17
60' ... 2.261
330 ... 6.316
1/8 ... 9.503
MPH ... 77.64
1000 ... 12.179
1/4 ... 14.430
MPH ... 100.19
BTW one common thread here is most of the cars have used up 9 seconds in the first 1/8 mile running in the 70/80 mph range. Its real hard for a small displacement N/A motor at that speed to finish out in just 5 more seconds.
01-26-2012, 08:23 AM
#72
All motor
Aznbenz I'd be happy to run any of your buddies stock 335s. I'm on Long Island. I should be getting my trans mount fixed very shortly. I'm untuned btw. 135s are apparently a bit quicker, but I'd still run them. Are any of them 6MT?
Btw, I've been to the track numerous times. But I've never gone with a good set of tires and have since been disappointed each time because of it lol.
Btw, I've been to the track numerous times. But I've never gone with a good set of tires and have since been disappointed each time because of it lol.
01-26-2012, 11:25 AM
#73
Suzuka Master
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Raleigh, NC - USA
Age: 82
Posts: 7,674
Received 2,599 Likes
on
1,581 Posts
If you have tire issues don't go to Etown on opening day...ask me how know.
01-26-2012, 09:45 PM
#75
Burning Brakes
not so sure on that modded TL's not being able to beat a 335 in stock form...cuz there are many variables like is 335i or 335xi? is it coupe or is it vert? is it coupe or is it sedan and or xi or just i.....is it n54 or n55? is it 6mt or is it 6at?
I'm still trying to run my buddies 335i (stock) this spring I hope...and if that happens I will post videos!! but yeah N.Y. not too far from me so if I get enough heads up time I can plan for an Etown trip....And AZNbenz07 if you have a STOCK 335 to run with me on the highway then I would be down....as far as from a dig we already know the outcome no need to mention that hence why the 335 shoots down the 1/4 mile in the times that it does, but on the highway it is a different story and that is where the TL's really shine when they are modded!!!
I used to think like that no chance a TL-S would keep up with a boosted 335i but driving them and seeing how they pull on the highway it would be a very good race!!
I have ran a 335xi 6at coupe and the result would make me say I'm Bullshitting but hey I have always said if you want to put a TL-S to the test and you are around new england area feel free to pm me and we can go do some runs!!!
I will be first to post I got spanked by such and such car it really don't matter!! A win is a win and a loss is a loss it is what it is at the end of the day and I can see first hand what my personal car does against whatever car I ran!! Just my 2cents
I'm still trying to run my buddies 335i (stock) this spring I hope...and if that happens I will post videos!! but yeah N.Y. not too far from me so if I get enough heads up time I can plan for an Etown trip....And AZNbenz07 if you have a STOCK 335 to run with me on the highway then I would be down....as far as from a dig we already know the outcome no need to mention that hence why the 335 shoots down the 1/4 mile in the times that it does, but on the highway it is a different story and that is where the TL's really shine when they are modded!!!
I used to think like that no chance a TL-S would keep up with a boosted 335i but driving them and seeing how they pull on the highway it would be a very good race!!
I have ran a 335xi 6at coupe and the result would make me say I'm Bullshitting but hey I have always said if you want to put a TL-S to the test and you are around new england area feel free to pm me and we can go do some runs!!!
I will be first to post I got spanked by such and such car it really don't matter!! A win is a win and a loss is a loss it is what it is at the end of the day and I can see first hand what my personal car does against whatever car I ran!! Just my 2cents
01-27-2012, 08:48 AM
#76
Burning Brakes
JoTech is crazy with his builds, you could ask him to give us some us some aftermarket parts. When I still had my 06+ SI, he built the fastest all motor SI, I was thrilled. Guy knows his stuff.
02-05-2012, 12:53 PM
#77
Instructor
There is nothing magical about forced induction (superchargers and turbochargers).
This is how it works: more air = more fuel = more power
Important variables/considerations are:
- Displacement (higher displacement = higher air rate = more power)
- IAT (lower IAT = more air = more power)
- Manifold Pressure (more pressure = more air = more power)
- Volumetric Efficiency (more efficient = more air = more power)
- RPM (higher RPM = more air = more power)
There are way too many variables (and I'm not even talking about transmission, weight, etc.) for your blanket statement to hold any merit (as in zero merit).
Why do people feel the need to discuss things that they know nothing about
02-05-2012, 01:36 PM
#78
WTF does this mean???
There is nothing magical about forced induction (superchargers and turbochargers).
This is how it works: more air = more fuel = more power
Important variables/considerations are:
- Displacement (higher displacement = higher air rate = more power)
- IAT (lower IAT = more air = more power)
- Manifold Pressure (more pressure = more air = more power)
- Volumetric Efficiency (more efficient = more air = more power)
- RPM (higher RPM = more air = more power)
There are way too many variables (and I'm not even talking about transmission, weight, etc.) for your blanket statement to hold any merit (as in zero merit).
Why do people feel the need to discuss things that they know nothing about
There is nothing magical about forced induction (superchargers and turbochargers).
This is how it works: more air = more fuel = more power
Important variables/considerations are:
- Displacement (higher displacement = higher air rate = more power)
- IAT (lower IAT = more air = more power)
- Manifold Pressure (more pressure = more air = more power)
- Volumetric Efficiency (more efficient = more air = more power)
- RPM (higher RPM = more air = more power)
There are way too many variables (and I'm not even talking about transmission, weight, etc.) for your blanket statement to hold any merit (as in zero merit).
Why do people feel the need to discuss things that they know nothing about
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
