JuamPs 69

I dont even know where to start...

It was a great adrenaline rush...

The s2000 on a 25 roll pffffff only on my rear view mirrors. Mods Unknown...

The Neon srt-4...good race since it was a 60mph roll...good for the turbo to keep up by the end of 3rd shifted to 4th gear...At least the TL was car and a half up front. Mods for the srt-4 unknown except a loud ass blow off valve LMAO!!!

Things got vveeeeerrryyy interesting with the BMW 335i coupe...It was a typical 40mph roll and i gotta tell ya!!! Those cars got some power STOCK...It took me 3 gears at a great precision shifting to come up front about a car...The bmw driver was very good driving and power shifting his car. Hands down to em!!!

The highlight of the night was a 2011 5.0L STOCK Mustang ford...

A good 50mph roll was set up with my vtec all ready activated (beyond 5,000rpms) The guy was not a good driver since by 3rd gear i jump all of a sudden one car in front of him...Around 5,500 rpms my we came into a little bit of uneven pavement and my car got stuck wheel spinning...At first i thought it was a slipping clutch, then i realized after further testing that it was loss of traction.

During that split second of bad traction he regained, passing me by half a car. By fourth gear we was one car in front of me and the race was over.
I have to tell you...given the chance of the wheel traction problem it could have been a very close battle. With my BFGoodrich R1 Tires it would have been a different story.

We are talking about cars running low 13's such as the 335 and the mustang around a 13.1...GRANTED....I removed about 130 pounds out of my car and running on 1/8th of fuel LMAO....Still a 4 door running up there, extremely respectable.

Thanks to JO TECH Performance in Orlando, the TL "sleeper" is performing over the top...I cant wait to get the knock sensor for the J&R ecu to finally tune the car, hopefully expecting the 320whp that I am looking for.

I only wished that someone had a damn camera to confirm battles and kills...I am very happy with the results...Now im gonna get ready to hear all the shit that many of you haters gotta say since you may believe this is al impossible out of a TL...LOL!!!

thisaznboi88

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nice race. All done in mexico right?

JuamPs 69

Close...South Florida LMMAAOOO!!!

TheChamp531

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https://acurazine.com/forums/a-115/

phee

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what year 335? you should have put more than 1 car on it in MT trim.

justnspace

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good kills.

Sonnick

I'm pretty sure from a roll the MT's are geared better than the ATs.

Nice runs. I would have to say the driver of the Mustang was severely incompetent. They are 12.8-13.1 cars @108-110. Your Type S, although quick to say the least, is not in the same league as the new 5.0. Even after your tune he should put a bus length on you. At least you aren't a stock 2G auto Type S though..............

Can you get some acceleration vids of your car? Like a 40-100 or so?

SatinSilverAV6

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Nice runs. I would have expected the mustang to eat you for lunch. The Type-S 6MT can hold its own thats for sure! What are your mods?

esco115

I have one question? What type of mod you have to even get your wheels broken loose @ 50mph?

seeya1

You have to be heavily modded and the 5.0 driver had to be on crack because there is no way you should have been anywhere near him. Those things are quick stock especially on the highway where there is no loss of traction.I congradulate you on your runs.

JuamPs 69

Sonnick!!! Ill make a video for you bro no worries!!!

Sure list of mods are as follows:

08 MT TL Type S:

Intake: AEM CAI, P2R TB Spacer, TB HeatShiled Gaskets, TB bored by Kingmotorsports (Mugen distributors in USA), IM heatshield gasket. Ported and Polished lower intake runners, Coolant Bypass.

Exhaust: RV6 pre cat deletes, ATLP J-pipe, ATLP race pipe, XLR8 Resonated quad cat-back exhaust.

Tranny: Slave mod checkvalve delete, Clutchmasters FX400 setup with 6 puck solid state disc.

Suspension: Eiback pro-kit springs

Brakes: Stoptech front/back crossdrilled/slotted rotors, Stoptech brake pads

Miscellaneous stuff: XLR8 Engine TQ damper, weight reduction freebies such as spare tire etc. (about 130lbs total)

Regarding the Stang on crack? LLLOOOLOLOL!!!! yeah bad shifting but remember...roll-on races are very different, giving you the advantage of racing slightly faster cars than us...

I can't recall the year of the BMW probably 2010-11

JuamPs 69

Does anybody know weight reduction numbers between OEM rotors and StopTech crossdrilled/slotted?

What about weight reduction between the atlp j-pipe, race pipe, xlr8 cat back and rv6 pre cat deletes vs OEM exhaut system?

I forgot to add up that to the estimated 130lbs of weight reduction from last night

NIGHTEHAWK

Impressive, can't wait for the video.

esco115

With the mods you listed I have a hard time convincing myself that you'll brake loose your tires @ 50mph...

A shirp here and there from gear change sure its plausable... But completely loose?

Monte TLS,MAX

Nice runs, but the 5.0 Stang is more than slightly faster than the TLS from any point in the spectrum......those things have some serious power/get up from a roll.

anx1300c

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This.

I drove a 6MT with the "weakish" 3.31 axle and it still seriously moved. Didn't feel as fast as I was expecting, having driven a 112-114 mph trap Fox Body in the past, but then I realized how newer cars are so much more refined, and often feel slower than they really are. If the 3.73 equipped 5.0's trap 110-112, the 3.55 and 3.31's are going to be a bit slower.


And as far as the TL having an advantage over the Mustang from a roll, it's really not so. Obviously, the TL is at a serious disadvantage from a dig, but it's no better from a roll. The two cars actually have similar powerbands, the 5.0 is surprisingly weak down low; peak torque is over 4k IIRC.


And the 335i outcome seems about right. Most of the stock ones on dragtimes seem to trap 102-103 mph in the real world, and I could see OP's car doing that without too much trouble. He'd get you out of the hole though, and I doubt you'd catch him before the end of the quarter.

Sonnick

I'm surprised you say the 5.0s have weak low end output. I'd have thought with that motor they'd be blessed with tremendous low end.

TylerT

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I've also driven the 5.0 (with 3.73 gears) and man that thing was a beast, 3rd / 4th gear really opened my eyes .. especially when you saw how fast the speedo was moving on the cluster .

esco115

They have 412hp @6500rpm & 390tq @ 4250rpm... Its no weak competitor in the low end compared to what the TL has to do...

anx1300c

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I was surprised too. I drove a 335i automatic that actually put me back in the seat harder off the line. Then again, both the N54 and N55's are putting probably 100 more ft lbs to the wheels off idle.

Yeah, the speedo sweeps pretty damn rapidly. I chirped a 4/5 no lift shift!

I never said it was a weak competitor to the TL. Quite the contrary actually! But it does have a similarly peaky powerband, minus the vtec engagement.

JuamPs 69

Obiously is hard to believe many things like 50mph roll loosing traction etc...

My car was at a optimal condition performing due to lower ambient temps and reduced weight...I mean 130 lbs estimated without the exhaust mods vs OEM weight increases...

Rule of thumb for every 100 lbs you shed about .1 secs the quarter mile

For every 10F degrees 1whp...Granted the Mustang takes advantage of that one as well...

So if i was CONFIRMED 130lbs lighter based on the TL on a diet...without including the exhaust maybe for another 20 pounds..thats 150lbs less making it .15 secs quicker...

Based on the roll on? well im not saying i have the advantage based on performance vs the mighty V8...but odds are improved significantly...

I wish you all could have seen it guys...Im just trying to give props to the v6 on our TL type S what is capable of with a 4 door car LMAO!!!

I believe that im a trustworthy...even with my True Sreet integra running a 9.43@164mph....you guys didnt believe the trap speed till i showed the time slips and some videos of similar ETA at 159mph

JuamPs 69

What i mean about the exhaust mods was that...those mods also provide weight reduction

anx1300c

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I know you're legit, Dude. We want some good videos though!

FastLS6speed

My guess is that he didn't have it in optimal gear from the start and by the time he realized that ur TL was faster than he thought it was going to be he had to play catchup... some times I do the same thing and rarely ever get taken by surprise but it has happened to me... btw those 5.0s are dipping into the 11s with just drags and a tune so don't try to over think you run in that you had as it was most likely a fluke...

Dave_B

There are occasions (below 40 degrees, hasn't rained in a while, all season tires) where my rwd G35 will break the tires loose if I'm going 40-45mph in 2nd gear and punch it from around 4000rpms. And this is with an automatic.

I don't doubt he lost traction at 50mph. However, it has more to do about surface and ambient conditions, rather than power.

Vasher

Seriously?!

Don't want to sound like a jerk, but does anyone honestly believe this guy's TL is pulling away from cars that trap 107 and hanging with others that trap 111?!

Come on! You guys dog less ridiculous stories than this.

No doubt OP's TL is quick due to his mods. Probably neck and neck with my G, but there is no way he's dusting twin turbo BMW's and hanging with 415hp Mustangs.

I mean... seriously!

F23A4

BINGO!

anx1300c

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Reading comprehension not your strong point? No one said anything about dusting a 335 or hanging with the GT. One car length isn't dusting. Most stock 335i's only trap 102-103 in the real world. All the 105-106 mph ones were 07's with an extra pound of boost dialed in before being dropped off to the magazine testers. 270-275 whp in a 3600 lb car is still 270-275 whp in a 3600 lb car at the end of the day. People act like 335's are some sort of land speed missile in stock form. They launch hard and clean, but they're not crazy fast.

It's not hard to believe a car that traps 100-101 stock and has full bolt ons can pull a car length on a 102-103 mph car from a roll.

And I think we've pretty much already established the scenario with the GT.

And no offense, but all I've ever seen out of G37 Coupes are 13.9-14.1 @ 100-101. I think a stock TL-S 6MT could hang from a roll.

ohsixMTee

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All those runs in one night? I bet your car is mad at you....poor car. lol

Vasher

He did;

I guess reading comprehension is not your strong suit.



None taken, but no.

Not that I think the G is fast.

anx1300c

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So you don't think a TL-S 6MT could hang with you stock to stock from a roll? Why is that, considering both cars trap basically the same? I'd give the G the edge, but not by more than a car length.

If a bolted/ported 6MT swapped 2G can trap 104 mph, why can't a bolted/ported 3G S 6MT do the same or even slightly better? Granted, the 2G has the advantage of true headers, but the 3G's extra .3 liters displacement and half a point higher CR should offset that.





And as far as the GT run unfolding as it did, if OP was in second and the GT was in third..... The GT is no torque monster if you're a gear too high.

BostonSilverTypeS

I think everyone here already knows that the TL is not in the 5.0's league but what we do know and are knowledgable on is that on the street you can surprise alot of cars quicker than you. Also in real world driver error plays a huge role...I mean just because you own a 10second car for example does not mean you will be always driving it like its going to be shifted to perfection on the street to duplicate the car running at its full potential.

Hence this is why I love street racing as you are always shocked with results and see how dumb people are who can't drive a fast car like its meant to be driven...

An excellent driver can make a slow car seem very quick and vise-versa a Bad driver can make a fast car look really shitty and slow!!! Just my

aznbenz07

Yes the different gear theory is a good point but with enough room the GT would overtake it would be just a matter of time, the other factor involved is that on highway rolls with no proof op could just say he won because he took off first and had to shut down cause of traffic before the heavier cars could come back. There's no way your pulling on turbo or twin turbo cars from a roll I'm sorry I race and it's just too many factors without proof.

Guys I really tried to stay quiet but I gotta call BS until I see either a video or dyno graph. Your dissing vasher, about his g when he didn't say he was faster. Also you have to keep in mind that you shouldnt get this excited over these runs because if any of the said cars had even the slightest mod they would have the potential to be waaay faster.

I had my TL with basic bolt on's (see my avatar of my evo and TL) and crept up on many e46 m3's so yes tl's modded are pretty good but again proof or bs

F23A4

No reason to stay quiet; just speak your mind.

BEAR-AvHistory

For what its worth IMHO no vid/dyno no valid claim. BTW: Hot Rod 182 the guy in the youtube slot above is now FBO & running 11.111 @ 129.470mph

anx1300c

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Here's a link to dragtimes. Lots of stock 335i's on the last few pages trapping only 101-103mph, so I don't think the story is unbelievable. If he said he ran one from a dig and buried him, it would be a different story. I'd like to believe most of us here understand how trap speeds, ET and short times interact. It's not like he said he walked an e90 M3.

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW--335i-Drag-Racing.html

anx1300c

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I've followed Hotrod 182's progress on youtube and his car is insane, but stock he trapped 101 mph.

Vasher

I'm glad that anx and I are on the same page, 'cause now I can tell my bad ass kill stories.

1'st I ran this GT-R and smoked that fool. I was all like "wrong gear bro", he was all like "I guess that's how you burn a AMS 1,500HP GT-R", and I was all like "fo sho".

Then there was this foo in a TT Lambo...

BEAR-AvHistory

Yeah but he did it in 13.465 seconds. The slowest car on the list #228 is the only car under 100mph @ 99.8 but he still ran a 13.8 time. Hot rod was almost 1/2 second quicker then the TL6MT in the vid & the slowest 335 of the 228 cars listed was its equal.

Sonnick

Way to contribute
13.46 is a great time. But what we are talking about is a highway roll. In this case, 1/4 mile ETs mean nothing. The 335i is a quick car, but it is by no means a 'modded TL 6 speed killer' in stock form. I've ran a 335i from a dig (auto) and he got the hit/launch and stayed about 1-1.5 cars ahead of me until 100mph. No one pulled at all. It's not that hard to believe considering they consistently trap 100-102 in the 1/4. There are a few that trap higher, but conditions will apply.

It seems the 335i was 6MT in this case. I believe the 6MT are geared more aggressively in terms of a roll race, so it would put up a better fight vs the AT. The TL-s seems to have the power advantage here being at 300whp compared to most 335s at ~270-275whp, and is also ~150lbs lighter than stock, putting him at the weight of a base TL. However, the 335 has the torque advantage. The TL's shorter gearing should prove advantageous, but at the same time, the 335s torque should outweigh it despite the longer gears. Point is, it should really be a drivers race.

There is a video of a Stage 2 MK6 GTI 6MT pulling on a 335i 6MT from a roll by 1 car. Obviously 1 run isn't conclusive evidence, but it's something to base off of at least. I ran a Stage 2 MK5 GTI DSG on 100oct tune/meth about 4 times. He would consistently pull ~1-1.5 cars from a 40 roll to ~85, whereas I would come back in 4th and pull decently after 100. Point being, since the run with the 335 clearly went past 115-120, I could imagine the fully bolted 6MT Type S to creep ever so slightly. Obviously after modding the 335 it would be no contest.

The GT we can all agree was either in the wrong gear to start, thought the TL was going to be slower, or just really needed a different driver behind the wheel. The GT traps upwards of 110mph in stock form, so there's no real challenge there unless the TL were boosted.

There was a base TL 6 speed on this site that ran a 13.3 @103.x with bolt ons/tires untuned. Everyone seems to forget about that. Obviously it was only 1 person, but it's also the only person I've seen to run a drag radial on the TL. Hence, the only one with times like that. A 103 trap is pretty good for bolt ons as well, and I'm pretty sure he replicated the results.