flowgoode

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So a guy at work and I keep having some friend trash talk about racing.

I've done some research and his car has the 290hp 3.5 with a Auto/CVT transmission.

My TL-S is stock 5AT, but I do have an AEM V2 to put on (though I know it won't make much difference).

What do you think the outcome would be?

Sonnick

If it's from a dig, it will be very close until 3rd gear then I think he will start pulling. They are pretty quick. Honestly, from a roll I think the Maxima will take you unless you have a few mods.

I ran into one once and Idk if my car was running like crap or what, but he actually kept up with me AND he had a passenger. He got the jump but I was only slightly pulling. My mods are in my sig and I'm a 6MT. Good luck!

I think you will need at least the V2, Jpipe, and exhaust. But I could be wrong, run him anyway and see what happens. Worst case scenario is you lose, oh well.

jspagna1

Curb weight on both cars are pretty evenly mached. The Max has more HP. If you lose some weight (Spare tire,back seat?) and you install a CAI it would make for a close race?
Otherwise I think the Max will win IMO.

pimpin-tl

IMHO, the TL-S has more high end power over the VQ and you should start to pull. Use Manual mode and hold those gears as long as you can but give yourself time to shift or it will bounce off the limiter.

But right off the line, I am thinking the edge will be the MAX.

flowgoode

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The maxima has 4hp peak more, I don't think that will make that much of a difference.

I was looking online at "specs" and I found the maxima has a 6.3 0-60mph time. And apparently the TL-S has faster than that?

Anyway, how much powertrain loss do you think that CVT automatic is sucking away from that 290hp?

Sonnick

Idk how much the CVT takes away but I think it's more than the usual auto. But I do know it's right in the powerband the whole time which may negate that.

They trap ~97mph stock, so maybe my car was flacid or he had a lil 35 shot in there. I should be trapping 103+ at this point there's no reason a Maxima trapping 97 WITH a passenger should keep that close.

Race him and find out. Maybe I just had a bad experience lol.

Ehhh...or it makes sense since he got the jump. When you take that into account, a race between a faster and slower car become MUCH closer. Idk but I'd install the intake before. OR if you wanna see how much the intake gave you power wise, race him before and after and note the difference.

princelybug

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Do it and report!

Rockstar21

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fixed

Bearcat94

3G TL-S 5AT traps about the same, stock engine, wheels and tires (no spare/tool kit). I did get 98.12 once. But my average was 96.1.

Motor Trend say the Maxima is 0 - 60 in 6.1 sec. Similar to the 5AT TL-S, I think; close enough anyhow.

BUT Motor Trend also says: Quarter mile 14.7 sec @ 96.1 mph; TL-S will do 14.4 on stock engine, wheels and tires (no spare/tool kit).


On paper, it's a dead heat, imho (stock-to-stock).

Sonnick

F23A4

I've driven both and the TL-S seemed slightly quicker HOWEVER, the TL-S had about 25k and the Maxima was BRAND NEW. Having previously owned an 02 Maxima and 05 Murano, I can attest to the fact that VQs dont seem particularly fast when new but seriously wake up once broken in. And this is the reason why I take, mag times on new VQ with a major grain of salt. (I honestly cannot wait to see track times on the new 370Z AT which has fairly quick mag times but I digress.)

My son has spent some time driving his manager's 09 Maxima and feels that it's about as quick as his 05 Altima 5MT (recap: 14-flat @ 100mph+), which says alot for how well Nissan has 'geared' that CVT.

All that said, I'm fairly certain the 09 Max would walk on the 07-08 TL-S 5AT. (...and a good part of that has to do with how power sapping Honda ATs can be.) However, the 6MT would make things VERY interesting.

flowgoode

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Well I'll have to ask him if he seriously wants to race lol...he seems like all talk.

I mean, he calls my 550rwhp cobra "slow" LOL

FastLS6speed

I rented an 07+ maxima 3.5 when I went to south padre and thought they were pretty fast from a dig but slow as balls north of 60mph.. never been in a TL or TLS but think they look better.. that's as much as I can give as I have no idea of the outcome.. lol

piggylover1985

Let us know how the race turn out ok ? It's fun but becarefull and don't get caught. Try not to blow up the transmission unless still under warranty. Should be a close one though. Who has more balls ? Both automatic transmissions, except the CVT in the Maxima doesn't shift.

notbrant

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I think you will will, especially since the Max is a CVT, I pull on my buddy's 09 Max on the freeway, never raced from a dig, but I trap 97/98mph with a 2G with only CAI/Exhaust. Our cars are pretty good from a roll

kdawg8526

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if you were 6 speed u would walk on that maxima but since your auto itll be close race but i think u might take him by a fender

spiike

Unless you have a CAI, jpipe, exhaust, no spare, and get a good launch, you'll lose.

I tried running one and he got an ever so slight jump on me. That was enough for him to stay ahead.

kdawg8526

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install the v2 intake first itll give you about 8-10 hp

FastLS6speed

Get a 75shot and call it a day! Or a 100shot and make him cry... lol

kdawg8526

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^what he said

vhtran

haha you're driving a fast car and jumped into a way slower car. That's why you feel that.

SatinSilverAV6

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I think the 09 Maxima would have the edge over a stock TL-S. I don't remember where I saw the video but I saw a 14.1@99MPH from a stock 09 Maxima.

flowgoode

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lol, I'm not doing anything like that...this car is for daily driving/family. Most it is going to get is a CAI and maybe j-pipe/catback.

I have a "race" car for that stuff

I'll let you guys know if we do race and the outcome.

Monte TLS,MAX

You are exactly right, the only way you could run it is if you have a 6spd TLS. A few of the guys at the org have already gotten 13.8/9 trapping over 100mph stock. They take off slow due to the way the CVT is programmed but after 30 they pull like hell and are not lacking on the top end at all as you can see by there times. Heck r/t even got it to 60 in 5.8 sec! Auto TLS would go down, every one should have seen that video where the guy that owns a 07 TLS and 06 Alti SER both autos and the SER out dragged it 3 times per video and owner, and the SER auto times are closer to traditional automatic 3.5 FWD cars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5RyXqlojiE

Monte TLS,MAX

Your son is right its just as quick, my times on the 370Z auto have been on my sig for a while now. I feel I can get a bit more out of it, may go to the track next week.

Slow03Maxima

OP I think you would take him from a dig with a good launch, as the 09s to seem sluggish off the line, but they are pretty quick off a roll, but that AEM V2 may be just what you need to even it out. Do it!!!


I would agree with you if we were talking about an earlier VQ, but the 07+ FWD VQs make a beautiful powerband with a very flat and strong topend, holding near peak all the way to redline. Mostly due to a trick dual-vias intake manifold and better factory tuning. Not like the earlier VQs like mine that fall off hard after 6k. This dyno isn't SAE corrected (would be closer to 255whp), but it is a good example of curve shape for a newer gen FWD VQ. It is no slouch anywhere in the powerband, especially not top end.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...Altima-35L.jpg

Certainly the jump helped him alot! When I raced Jeowen, the 1-2 times he got a solid jump on me, the race seemed far closer than it should have been.

flowgoode

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5KaTQyyOmQ

kdawg8526

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^thats not bad this should be a close race

pimpin-tl

Trap speed is slower than what a TL-S can do stock. That tells me the Maximas aren't as strong up top. So my opinion stands as the Maxima will probably get walked after the launch.

Monte TLS,MAX

Thats the slowest time I have ever seen for an 09 which is slower than me in my 03 stock, guys at the org have hit high 13's and trapped over 100mph with time slips to prove it. Even the mags have it trapping at 99.. mph. No auto TLS will trap at 99 to 100 stock, the 6spd is high 90's to 101 ish and we all know that honda products from manual to auto there is always a bigger difference in 0-60 and 1/4 than other mfgs due to that "okish" 5 spd auto.

Monte TLS,MAX

[QUOTE=Slow03Maxima;12009854]OP I think you would take him from a dig with a good launch, as the 09s to seem sluggish off the line, but they are pretty quick off a roll, but that AEM V2 may be just what you need to even it out. Do it!!!




I would agree with you if we were talking about an earlier VQ, but the 07+ FWD VQs make a beautiful powerband with a very flat and strong topend, holding near peak all the way to redline. Mostly due to a trick dual-vias intake manifold and better factory tuning. Not like the earlier VQs like mine that fall off hard after 6k. This dyno isn't SAE corrected (would be closer to 255whp), but it is a good example of curve shape for a newer gen FWD VQ. It is no slouch anywhere in the powerband, especially not top end.



Exactly, pretty much like I said in post 24 here.

Ruby

Let us know how it goes!

SatinSilverAV6

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I am in agreement with monte on this one. That is the slowest 7th gen Maxima I have seen to date. I would say that in the most optimal conditions you would see low 14's on the average for a 09+ Maxima. Also it is quicker to leave the CVT in drive mode vs manual shifting in sport mode. Who knows what elevation or conditions that Maxima ran in or what mode the driver was using.

rnc_forever

When is the race, and can I join?

iforyou

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2009 Maxima SV: 14.5@98mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...ab9e62f834.pdf

14.6@97.7mph
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/ca..._3.5_sv_page_2

14.7@96.1mph
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...fications.html

14.7@96.9mph
http://www.insideline.com/nissan/max...ima-35-sv.html

Monte TLS,MAX

Dont forget this one bro.............. 14.5@ 99mph Motor Trend
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ict/specs.html

And like I have said guys at the org have gotten high 13's and trapped over 100mph with time slips to prove it!

Monte TLS,MAX

07-08 TLS auto's best competition is the 02-03 TLS, and 02-06 Maxima/Altima 3.5 auto's as they all put down similiar numbers stock.

flowgoode

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ok so 4 magazines say mid 14's but you have seen high 13's? On drag radials? Full weight?

I'll tell you the guy at my work is no drag racer..just a trash talker lol.

anx1300c

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The 3rd gen TL-S 5AT is easily several tenths quicker than those other three cars. I mean, the 2G TL-S was rated at 260 under the old system which equates to high 240's under the new system. That's close to a 40 hp defecit compared to the 3G TL-S. It's a solid mid 14 second car vs the other three being higher 14 second cars.

kdawg8526

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yeah a 2g types cant keep up with 3g type s i tried racing my buddy once when i had only a intake and he pulled on me right away