kosstick

Was on the 5 north coming back from watching Hitman (which kicked ass). Im going about 80 when i look to my left and there is a black charge RT with the hemi logo on the side. Some dude with his girl friend. I had my buddy in my car too.

He look at me and excelerates and I catch up to him and we are now going 80 MPH I do three honks and we both punch it on the third honk. I was able to get half a car length on him three times that we raced.

Im not sure if its auto or stick I think RT's only come in STICK?

road_boy

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2005 Dodge Charger R/T 5.6 14.2 (R&T Aug '05)
2006 Dodge Charger SRT-8 5.0. 13.5 (MT Dec.'05)

I know the 3rd gen TL-S show similar times to the charger! So its possible he had traction issues!

iforyou

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I think they did it from a roll so traction shouldn't be an issue. And looking at those times, the result was spot on.

SatinSilverAV6

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They only come in automatic(unfortunantly). Nice races though!!

kosstick

i did it from a roll like 60 - 80 rolls

iforyou

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whoa, 60-80 and you already pulled half a car length on him? that's pretty good.

kosstick

no no iforyou we did rolls from around 60 - 80 mix we shut off like at 110 - 120

TheWanderer316

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lol, i couldnt even catch up to an RT, maybe it was bad timing but those things haul ass.

iforyou

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ohh opps well still that's pretty good thewanderer316 you should probably get some lighter rims!

TheWanderer316

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i think it happened before i got them. He was also ahead by alot when i decided to start flooring it, but it seemed he kept gaining, same thing happened with a subaru, but they come with turbos i think. Also I didnt have it in SS mode and VSA on if that matters at all.

kosstick

it all matters when you punch it and when he punches it he punched it like two seconds before i punched it and I never caught up till like 10 seconds later lol

dr_brains510

the charger r/t also weighs a ton (i believe over 5000) but i think it will take off quicker but you will take it a few seconds later...they're fast don't get me wrong but they are also very heavy

kosstick

they weigh 4141 lbpounds curb bro.. forbes says 3700 Car and drivers says 4141 lb
but they got 390 torque and 340 horses thats enough ..

ballinfizzle89

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I don't believe this, but that's just me, don't take it offensively

iforyou

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lol, how can the weigh be so off?? 3700 vs 4141!

juruki

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It also depends from what speed you punch it. From 60 mph the TL-S isnt that impressive. Punch it from 75-80 and you will land right on vtec range and you can feel the 286 hp right at 6k rpms. The sweet spots on the 5AT TL-S are from under 30mph right at 50 mph and from 75-80.


PS: KOSSTICK did you guys meet already to check out your exhaust? I need to listen to it in person to see if i wanna spend 1k on it.

EL19

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Charger RT is trash...i own those from any speed...srt8 is a diff story, still close race 4 me tho...good kill

kosstick

Thx R/T's arent that impress iforyou i made a mistake they weight 4141 the 3700 weight was a 645 I had two windows open and mistaked it..

So basically the r/t weighs about 4141 pounds lol. well I beat it like 4 runs it was lkike half a car length it wasnt huge... the nose of the car was at my passenger side door...

kosstick

juruki no one pmd me on if they want an actual meet or just to see exhaust so i didn't hold a meet.....

Dave_B

A race from a stop would have strongly favored the RT. He probably would have put bus lengths on the 5AT TL-S. From a 60-80mph, I can see how the 5AT TL-S held it off. I've raced R/T Chargers and Magnums at the track and they're solid 13.9-14.3 second rides. Their problem is they're not so fast as the MPHs pile on. From 0-40mph, they put a hurting on my G35 and usually get a 2 to 3 car lead and as the race progresses, I slowly close in. I've never been able to run one down in the 1/4 mile because their 0-40 acceleration is so strong that my G can't overcome it even though my G usually out-traps them by 1mph to 2mph. Seeing that the 5AT TL-S aren't very quick from 0-40mph, they too would get rocked by the RT in the 1/4 mile.

iforyou

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^ that's because of that massive 390lb/ft of twisting torque. Once you are up there in the rev range though that torque is not that anymore..and that's why they are rated only at 340hp, and thats also why you would catch up in the end.

Dave_B

The lowend torque and well sorted RWD chassis is obviously responsible for it's ability launch hard. But to say that the Hemi's power is a bit weak in the upper rpms isn't really try. The Hemi 5.7 has a very fat powerband and makes power to about 5600rpms. Granted the Hemi doesn't rev like the TL's V6, it's overall powerband is far stronger. Even at 5600rpms, the Hemi is probably making 70-80 ft/lbs more torque than the TL. The RT's rather weak topend to probably related to three things. Weight, drag, and tall gearing.

EL19

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RT's are crap...its like driving a midbase model car...if u wana go fast in a charger/300/magnum/Jeep(lmao) get the SRT8...the chargers launch hard but ive never had one beat me in the quarter mile..street or track...and i dont thnk my car is very fast off the line

iforyou

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Then it really depends on how you define fat powerband. If you are talking about the area under the torque curve, then obviously the RT is superior. But then you gotta admit that it does have an extra 2.2L of displacement. I mean, there is no replacement for displacement when it comes to torque. In this aspect, I'd give credit to BMW for making over 260lb/ft of torque in its 3.2L engine in the old M3. I am sure there are other engines that make more torque per litre now though.

Anyways, what I meant weak, was that, the engine can't develop that massive amount of torque (ie 390lbft) at higher rpm (ie 6000+rpm), but that's the design on the engine and it's not intended to rev high anyways.

On the other hand the Hemi in the SRT-8 is a lot stronger, given it only has 30lbft more torque, but develops 85 more hp. Reasons? It can rev higher and make more torque in the top end.

S1CK TypeS

thats weird you say that cause ive only raced one R/T charger and it was off the line. he got the jump for about half a second. as soon as i hit vtec and shifted into second i was right next to him and passin. he also had big ass rims but i had shitty tires.

i played around with a SRT8 300 on the hwy at like 80mph and let me tell you, he bounced on me like there was no tomorrow. those things are nasty at hwy speeds.

L's TL what are your mods?

EL19

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custom intake basically an aem cold air, xs headers, custom 2.5 inch cat back, ur underdrive pulley set, oe thermo block spacers...and no spare tire lol..my supercharger is sitting in the basement..ima put it on when i get the stock size lightweight pulley, the new P2R plenums, port and polished throttle body and intake manifold from maxbore, and the new motor mounts from innovative...my firend has a Charger RT of course we raced and i fried him so he calls his lil charger buddies to tell em how he got handled and they didnt believe it...so of course like 3 of em came down to get handled as well and i fried them too! they were so pissed...one even had an intake thought he was doin big things until the TLS put em down...the next day they bring out a nice ass SRT8 charger all black with the chrome stock SRT8 20s and tinted tails...we complimented one another on the whips cause our cars had the same all black theme going on...so we get it going from a 20mph roll and i stay wit him for a sec and that thng jus eased past me...but i got sumthn for him in a few weeks lol...S1CK i thnk we have the same mods

S1CK TypeS

yes sir we do. i need to take the spare out. im takin apart my manifold and cleaning it cause im almost certain im losing a bit of power due to that.

Glock20C

the SRT8 will kill a TL-S ,mods or not... not even is the same class as far ass HP...supercharge or turbo..I still don't think so...It's MONSTER for the price ..

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The rear-wheel-drive Charger SRT8 ar-rives from finishing school with all of that and more. We've had the pleasure of sampling this 425-hp version of the regular V-8 Hemi, bored from 5.7 to 6.1 liters, in the Chrysler 300C SRT8. We loved it then, and can't imagine any other reaction this time around. The same 300C SRT8 specs apply to the Charger SRT8: 420 lb-ft of torque peaking at 4800 rpm, a healthy 10.3:1 compression ratio, and an electronically limited 6400-rpm redline. Same gas guzzler situation, too, of course. But we're talking super-limited volume, so move on.

iforyou

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^
I think we are all aware of that, most of them are saying they can beat the RT, but not even close with the SRT-8.

unless it's dirtyjohn's tl..haha

RUF87

Nice Kill

I've got a friend that has one and have been itching to run him. I'm holding off until I get my motor mounts installed.

Ruf

kosstick

youll beat him around 70+

EL19

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I thnk a supercharger TLS would get at an SRT8 ive seen a supercharged CLS6 dog a SRT8 but of course the CLS was a 6MT...but i guess we'll find out after i throw my supercharger on!

ballinfizzle89

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Are you kidding? That Hemi will eat a TLS up at speeds of 50+. Believe me I've tried, pulled so hard on me, made me feel like I was standing still, looked stock

EL19

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are u superchargered? if not then i can see why u got smoked...but a fully bolted supercharger TL/CL should be even if not beat and SRT8...he stood no chance against my boy in his CLS6 SC...it may eat one up at speeds under 50 given the fact that it has a ass load of torque and RWD but things are diff from a roll

ballinfizzle89

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Oh yeah, I didn't kno you guys were talking about F/I TL/CL, should hold its own in that case