fant0m_TL

Hey guys,

Would a 05TL beat a 95 firebird or a 99camaro in a drag? I havent even driven my car yet, because the 05 recall thats going on (they cant let me take it off the lot until its taken care of).

Im asking because I want to take it to the track, but I dont want to make a fool of myself. I believe the firebird and camaros are MT and my TL is AT... so theres a little lag there, but other than that, how do you think it would turn out?

ggesq

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just to make sure you know, according to the new standards it's 258 hp. whp is a totally different story. because of its FWD platform, most of that hp is going to the wrong wheels. taking a stock TL to a track is useless IMHO.

fant0m_TL

I know, but thats for the 06, the 05, to my understanding, is still 270. I could be wrong though. I checked http://www.hondanews.com/categories/...1?archive=2005

for 05s and it states 270, as for the 2006 the same site states 258

http://www.hondanews.com/categories/...7?archive=2006

So I think the 05 standards are still set at 270.

But I've been wrong before... I'm a newb lol so I dont know about everything regarding the TL.

Also, the other cars are stock as well

bluenoser

I have both a 95Z28 6spd and 06 TL AT. In a drag race the Z 28 will pull several cars out of the hole. RWD traction and the abundance of torque is way too much for the TL to compete with.
It's a different story from a rolling start where the TL and AT will very quickly find the right gear and get the jump on an unsuspecting 6spd Z (or any manual tranny car) who's loafing along in a high gear.
Word of advice - by now most owners of LT1/ LS1 motors have had some power mods performed and it doesn't take much to get serious power gains from those platforms.

chill_dog

The 6's, but not the 8's.

fant0m_TL

With what? I dont know what that means LOL

chill_dog

The TL would beat a V6 Camaro or Firebird, but not a V8.

Black_05_TL_6SP

You need to include some more information. Engine size and type of the two cars? The auto TL should be in the 14.7-15.2 range in the quarter. So if you are running a V8 Camaro/Firebird, you may get beat. Depending on what they have done to the car and how well they can drive. Good Luck!!

Black_05_TL_6SP

Same motors, same power, the way they measured changed. It is SAE rating. None the less, that is flywheel power, what you need to worry about is what is at the wheels.

fant0m_TL

man so i shouldnt "brag" abuout 270HP? Im sad

Black_05_TL_6SP

The TL is quick, but not as quick as a torque driven rear wheel drive V8. On the interstate, you will do OK, but at the track, not as well against a V8.

Truthfully, HP is just a number, you want to look at the amount of torque you produce throughout the RPM range. If you are going to compare for drag racing, torque is the way to do it.

fant0m_TL

Oh, I believe it is only a 6 banger, not an 8, so that may help the chances... but yeah. I wish I knew more about cars... ask me anything about computers and I know the answer, hell, I could be like mcguiver and build a great with with a napkin and some hand sanitizer

HiTEC

2004 - 2006 the engines did not change and they have the same amount of power. What did change is the process to determine hp ratings. The 2006 model was held to these new standards hence the rating dropped. If you were to hold a 2004 model to the same process of determining hp it's rating would also drop. Does that make sense?

ironviet

One thing I do know is that the SS version of the camaro will eat our TL alive from a standstill.

Will Y.

Depends on all kinds of things, but here is a bench-racing starting point: a chart of 0-60 and 1/4- mile times for an number of cars (stock & unmodified) tested by car mags over time: http://www.albeedigital.com/supercou...0-60times.html
My analysis is, all things being equal, the post-1990 V-8 F-bodies are slightly faster than the TL from a dead stop.
Go pick on stock pre-1990 ponycars with automatics, or BMWs and MBs.

erick3

hey fant0m_TL...what recall are you talking about? thanks

eric

Formula 350

My old 87 Formula was rated at 210 HP, but 325 torque.... it jumped from a standstill.... threw you in the back seat.. but if it was at a higher speed, the TL would do well.. and has a higher top end..

fant0m_TL

It's a recall on certain categories of VINs for 05 TLs. If you fall under the category you will receive a letter the week of April 2.

The link to the thread I started is here: https://acurazine.com/forums/ramblings-12/puter-techies-setting-up-2-computers-office-155047/

Apparently there is something wrong with the gas pump. That's the reason why I don't have my TL yet... I just bought it on Monday and can't get it until the new part gets shipped in NEXT FRIDAY YUCK!

The only reason why I know this stuff is because my uncle is the service manager at the Acura in my town. I'm getting the first one in WI because the recall hasn't been put into effect (people don't know yet).

Thanks to the rest of you who posted about the competition!!

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

Why is everyone concern about TL's hp?

LT1 and an LS1 will spank any stock TL.

You don't take a FWD car vs a v8 sports car which is RWD. My friend has a 383 stroker LT1 96 WS6 trans-am.

Also just put on 200 shot of nos. Sorry, but you really don't have a chance.


NOW IF it was the V6 yes then you will beat it. But your not touching a LT1 or LS1 engine.

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

www.camaroz28.com.

It seems everyone who posted in this thread should read up on what a SS is and a regular 5.7 LS1 camaro is. What these guys are trap from stock to modded. Some V6 guys aren't to be taken lightly either depending on their mods.

Its just as little of the same difference from an A-spec TL to a non A-spec.

fant0m_TL

these are just stock V6 cars that Im talking about not SS's or V8s... just stock V6. once the car is cmpletly paid off, i want to get a boost in it... mind you i have AT, so IDK what my chaces are

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

1996 Camaro V6 4AT (http://www.theautochannel.com/vehicl...s/gap9609.html):

Horsepower: 200 @ 5200 RPM
Torque (lb-ft): 225 @ 4000 RPM
Weight: I think it's around 3300lbs

0-60 MPH 8.0 seconds
1/4 mile (E.T.) 16.2 seconds @ 84 mph

For 6MT from http://www.albeedigital.com/supercou...-60times.html:

1995 Chevrolet Camaro 3800: 0-60: 7.4 1/4 mile: 15.7
1999 Acura 3.2TL 0-60: 7.4 1/4 mile: 15.7

In conclusion, stock vs stock, even a 2nd gen TL-P with 225hp under the old measurement system can keep up with a V6 Camaro.

But from the same site, any 1996+ Camaro Z28s and SSs will beat any TL stock vs stock. Most of them can do 1/4 mile in the mid to high 13's. May be, and let me repeat, MAY BE a stock 07 TL-S with an extremely good drive can keep up with a Z28, but I doubt it.

fant0m_TL

Thanks for the info

DIRTYJOHN

yeah dude cant touch those v8 man.. DUDE i GOT SPANK by a trans am and a camaro z28. and at the time i was running 13.4 13.5 in 1/4... V6 we can eat them upppppppp... alive.. O and if my car was stock those v8 can like pass the 1/4 come back around and do another 1/4 before i finish... (exagerating) yeah don't take those v8 to lightly. They tare some shit up. ONLY unless if you have a car like fsttym and then you boost it.. hehehe maybe its a different story

bigmoetl1

i eat v6 mustangs and firebirds and camaro's for breakfast now a v8 that is another story but since i only have a v6 i would not race any of them in a v8

fant0m_TL

"You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?"

LOL, sorry I was thinking about Happy Gilmore

Sprtan-117

i agree with almost everyone here i own a Camaro V6 94 and its really slow i run 0-60 in aproximately 8.6 and on the highway pretty crappy but the only reason i have this car is because it was my first car ever and it sort of has a sentimental value as lame as that sounds. on the other hand my cousin has a Camaro 2002 SS M/t Stock and man no joke those things are MONSTERS ive been in his car and the pull on those cars makes u want to wear a neck brace no joke. Ive been in countless races with him too and weve beaten a couple of STI's and EVos by the end of the 1/4 mile. and on the freeway an STi or Evo dont stand a chance. i can vouch for the camaro SS those things are just MONSTERS!

oh and on a side note stock for stock Firebirds are faster than camaros ex. v8 WS6 ram air which is equivalent to the camaro SS the Firebird wins also there is a special race car edition of the firebird the FireHawk <----------those are more than monsters its a step up from the WS6/ camaro SS

DaddysOnehotAck

I agree,I beat a 06 mustang v6 from the light and had him by a couple car lenght before the next light (which was bout half a mile) My TL is a 05 AT!