golferboy1862

Well I handed my brother in-law'a ass to him in his Integra so now he's bought a 06 G35 and is giving me the business. Both are autos and I said I think it will be even but after some Internet readings I'm not so sure anymore... What's the deal? Or should I just get an early jump.

S1CK TypeS

i have taken a G35 sedan in my TL-S but im not quite stock. any mods to yours? get an intake and do a 30mph roll there wont be any question u'll win. off the line if its a G35X he'll get the jump. its a drivers race.

F23A4

My $$$ on the G35 even with an intake on the TL. Keep in mind, the G35X (probably/marginally the slowest version of the G35) is a mid-14 second car. I doubt the 3G TL 5AT (non-Type S) w/intake alone is a mid-14s car.

Once you guys run, let us know the outcome. Be safe.

golferboy1862

His G35 isn't an X (awd) and my TL is stock. Sounds like I'll go for the early jump will and then shut it down at the end of 2nd.

ttliang

with an intake i think his yours. I've seen a totally stock 05 TL 5AT time slip of 14.5 -14.6 consistently. 05+ G35 is around mid 14 also. I've seen as low as 14.3 and high 14.8. w/o intake it's gonna be whoever launch better. TL is always fast from roll so maybe you can trick him into doing that lol.

Monte TLS,MAX

I agree and the 05/06's G35s are very good from a roll much better than my old TLS was. Most of the post I have seen here most have a hard time getting into the mid 14's with 04-06 TL's stock.

Dave_B

I think the TL will get crushed. Seeing that most TL autos are in the upper 14s/low 15s and most auto G35 sedans are in the 14.4-14.6, the difference is quite sigificant. From a stop or from a roll, the TL will get roasted. Stock G35 autos typically hit 96-98mph traps. Stock TL autos hit 92-94mph traps. I don't see how an intake will help things either seeing that they only make marginal improvements and often time compromised initial acceleraton off the line.

2K2SilverTL-S

Your saying most G35 auto sedans run 14.4-14.6 stock? Give me a break buddy. There are plenty of people on "your forum" that do not run that stock. Pulling your spare tire out and doing all kinds of things to "inflate your 1/4 mile time" do not count in my opinion.

To the original poster....i beat an auto 03 G35 coupe at some races in a stock 04 TL auto. Give it a try....it will be close. Just shut VSA off and shift in sportshift at redline

Dave_B

I ran a 14.3@98mph with a Z-pipe (adds sweet induction noise, 0hp dyno proven) and no spare. I can post over ten G35s autos that have done 14.2-14.4@96-98mph stock. Yanking the 25lb spare doesn't qualify as stock? Okay. What about the 14.4s@96mph Car & Driver posted in their 05 G35X (auto)? That's an X which means it weighs about 150lbs more than my RWD sedan. If C&D can get a 14.4 out of a 3,600lb G35X, you can surely get a 14.2-14.3 out of a 3,450lb RWD auto.

groovyone789

i'll probably do a run w/ a friend who has an '05 g35 (non-awd) soon. i've got the '07 type s, should be fun for me

JoeyASPEC

I've got a TL, my brother's got a G35 (which is what I originally wanted). I've driven both extensively. The power and driving dynamic of the G surpasses that of the TL by far. Assuming both drivers have the same skill, the G35 will win. No question, even if it's a TL-S. And i'm talking both cars stock, not modded in anyway.

iforyou

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I think the G35 should be a little bit faster. But won't be THAT much. When the first G35 came out, it was a TINY bit slower, or about the same as the 2002 TL type S (just refer back to some old C&D magazines). Then the 3G TL lost some weight and gained some more hp and torque, that means it's a little bit faster than the 2G TL-S. But then the G35 gained some power too. So that's why I think the G35 is a little bit faster. And there's no way a 3G TL will do 1/4 mile in more than 15 seconds. Even a 2G TL-S can do 14.8 easily.

Here are some quotes from C&D comparison test in 2005:

"yet only the Lexus beats the Acura's 5.9-second run to 60 mph"
from http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...-acura-tl.html

"the 3.5-liter VQ V-6 now good for 298 horsepower and 260 pound-feet of torque. Launch at a lazy 3500 rpm, and it'll do 5.9-second sprints to 60 mph"
from http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...initi-g35.html

C&D Jan 2004 Road Test of TL
ACCELERATION (Seconds)
Zero to 30 mph 2.2
40 mph 3.3
50 mph 4.4
60 mph 5.7
70 mph 7.6
80 mph 9.4
90 mph 11.9
100 mph 14.6
110 mph 17.8
120 mph 21.8
130 mph 28.6
Street start, 5-60 mph 6.3
Top-gear acceleration, 30-50 mph 10.4
50-70 mph 10.3
Standing 1/4-mile 14.4 sec @ 99 mph
Top speed (governor limited) 152 mph

As you can see, 6MT TL and 6MT G35 are about the same in terms of acceleration. Unfortunately I can't find any info about 5AT though. But I don't see how a 5AT G35 will be significantly faster than a 5AT TL.

Dave_B

Magazine racing is great and all, but find me how many 2nd and 3rd Gen TLs are running low to mid 14s stock at the track. I've been on this site for a while and most 6MT TLs are in the 14.5-14.7@96mph range and the 5ATs are in the 14.9-15.2 range. On G35driver.com, most 5AT G35s runs 14.4-14.6@96mph and the 6MTs are typically in the 14.3-14.5@98mph. My stock "260hp" 03 G35 5AT went 14.3@98mph and others have done 14.2s in their stock 5ATs. Stock G35 6MTs have done as good as 13.9-14.0. Show me a stock 2nd or 3rd gen TL 5AT that's pulled these kinds of numbers. FYI, the 260hp 03/04 G35 sedans really put out the same exact power as their 280hp coupe brothers. The dynos and 1/4 mile times prove it. It's just a numbers game Nissan played.

If you want to mag race, Motor Trend has pulled 14.6s@97mph out of the 03-06 5AT G35s and Car & Driver actually pulled a 14.4@96mph out of a G35X (they're all autos) which is about 180lbs heaiver than the RWD G35. Obviously C&D figured out the correct way you have to launch and shift these cars to pull good numbers.

BTW, the best I've seen for a published 3rd gen TL 5AT was 14.8@93mph by Motor Trend.

iforyou

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As I've said, the G35 is definitely a bit faster than the TL, no doubt about it. But my point was that, the TL isn't THAT much slower. I wouldnt say that unless I have proof as shown on my last post. Of course I'm not saying that I don't believe you or anything, but as we all know, drivers, weather conditons, altitude, and other factors are very important. The following analogy may sound foolish to you, but I believe it to be true. Doing a road test is just similar to a person writing a final exam. There are many factors that can affect the performance of that person. I'm sure most people here would understand what I'm saying here. Anyways, before I get really off topic here, the G35X should post some good time. AWD system is derived from the might skyline GTR and I have no doubt about its off-the-line acceleration. And IMO that's more than enough to cancel out its weight penalty when it comes to 1/4 mile acceleration (I also believe the AWD is in RWD mode after the tires gain enough grip, just like the GTR, but I'm not sure about this. But if that's true, that means it doesnt have too much drivetrain loss associated with typical AWD cars).

type-s09

i've never lost to a G35..beaten 3

iforyou

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it's funny how when you go to any G35 forum, people there will say how many TLs they have beaten so far. But when you visit any TL forum, people will beg about how many G35s have lost to them already. =D Man this debate can never end!

berite100

in g35 forums they dont talk about TL's they keep talking about bmers.

F23A4

It is a debate that pretty much began back with the TL-S vs 02-03 Maxima/I35 debates (with some inclusion of the Altima 3.5SE).

...and the G35 is generally quicker than the 02-03 Maxima which most know to be on par with the 2G TL-S and 3G TL (nonTL-S). Hence, the G35 should be quicker. My track observations are in line with Dave B as most stock G35s (varying types: X, S, 5AT, 6MT) I have observed pretty much post between 14.2-14.7) where most stock TL-Ss and CL-Ss tended to post bet 14.8-15.2 second ETs. (I have not witnessed any 3G TL 6MTs but the few 3G 5ATs I have witnessed seem to post slower numbers than the 2G TL-S/CL-S.) Again, these are my own oberservations...some of which I have on video.

Again, all other things even (particularly the driver and tranny), the G35 should prevail against its TL counterpart by most performance measurements. (AT vs AT, really should not be close but MT vs MT would be a great contest.) But that by no means diminishes the TL in any way.

In most of the comparisons that include the TL along with the 1G G35 and 330i, the TL's performance compares pretty favorably despite its FWD layout. ...and although it really has an uphill battle in facing off against the 2G G35 and 335i (performancewise), the TL-S is a VERY attractive alternative. But that is for a different discussion topic.

iforyou

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Yea, I agree. To sum it up, the G35 generally is a SLIGHTLY faster car mainly due to the drivetrain layout. And for 5AT va 5AT, I believe the gear ratios have something to due with the difference in performance too. I mean the G35 does get worst fuel economy than the TL afterall so I assume that the gear ratios in the G35 is more "sporty"?

2004 G35 5AT RWD: 18/26mpg
2004 TL 5AT FWD: 20/29mpg

That's over 11-12% of difference and I think the G35 better shows some advantage in performance.

F23A4

In the few published comparison tests, the TL tends to have a farily small advantage over the G35 when it comes to fuel economy:

10/05 C/D (400 mile trip): Acura TL 6MT-17 mpg , Infiniti G35 6MT (298hp)-16mpg
3/04 C/D (600 mile trip): Acura TL 6MT-17mpg , Infniti G356MT (260hp)-16mpg (again)

In individual tests (C/D), the Acura TL 6MT posted 20 mpg versus the G35 6MT's 20 mpg .

So the fuel economy difference (if any) is quite negligible at best.

sbuswell

17-20mpg for a tl is very low MPG. i am sure most get 25mpg on average overall. i get 28mpg out of my 99 4AT and have all the bolt-ons and hit WOT often. i believe fuel economy to be a larger margin in the TL's favor. performace the G35 is a faster car than the TL. if the TL was RWD and all had the 3.5L then it would be a different ball of wax.

Monte TLS,MAX

Agreed man

iforyou

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I got my numbers from http://www.fueleconomy.gov so I guess these are more suitable when it comes to daily driving.