my RLX is JUNK - anyone else with issues
10-25-2013, 04:27 PM
#1
my RLX is JUNK - anyone else with issues
I'm very disappointed with Acura and how they've handled my issues. - the dealer has been great and on my side Acura has been a pain.
So far my transmission wont shift into 3rd at high load or WOT. - Acura said to me " o well we wont fix that" we think driving at high load full throttle is not normal driving and we will not fix it. - keep in mind the shift happens at 52mph and twice it has happened when merging onto a 75mph highway- I had a RLX loaner for a week and the loaner had the same issue.
more door leaks - dealer replaced run channel
groaning/grinding sound - they said they dont hear it.
Random battery issues.
I've talked with other RLX owners who are not happy with similar issues. I think something needs to be done.
anyone else with issues?
So far my transmission wont shift into 3rd at high load or WOT. - Acura said to me " o well we wont fix that" we think driving at high load full throttle is not normal driving and we will not fix it. - keep in mind the shift happens at 52mph and twice it has happened when merging onto a 75mph highway- I had a RLX loaner for a week and the loaner had the same issue.
more door leaks - dealer replaced run channel
groaning/grinding sound - they said they dont hear it.
Random battery issues.
I've talked with other RLX owners who are not happy with similar issues. I think something needs to be done.
anyone else with issues?
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dturboman (10-25-2013)
10-25-2013, 05:57 PM
#3
Seems to be hit or miss, just like anything else, my biggest issue is Acura wont step up and make right on it.
I mean every company fucks up, but what makes that company stand out is how they handle that fuck up.
Their client relations rep said to me " o well we are not going to approve a fix for that issue and we are closing the case" - after concerns from my dealer and me about safety when it comes to the transmission limiting the car to 2nd gear.
This is my 3rd new Acura too.
I mean every company fucks up, but what makes that company stand out is how they handle that fuck up.
Their client relations rep said to me " o well we are not going to approve a fix for that issue and we are closing the case" - after concerns from my dealer and me about safety when it comes to the transmission limiting the car to 2nd gear.
This is my 3rd new Acura too.
10-25-2013, 08:43 PM
#4
dturboman...I am sorry to see that you aren't enjoying your RLX but I feel that you may have made a statement that is a bit harsh.
I hope that they will be able to resolve the issues with your RLX and bring back a sense of trust in the brand/company and enjoy the car.
I hope that they will be able to resolve the issues with your RLX and bring back a sense of trust in the brand/company and enjoy the car.
10-26-2013, 06:56 AM
#5
Senior Moderator
So on WOT merging onto the freeway it stays in second gear (i.e. in the meat of the power band)? When does it finally go into third? Only after you let off? That doesn't sound so unusual.
I just want to understand a little better what you are experiencing before commenting on Acura's response.
I just want to understand a little better what you are experiencing before commenting on Acura's response.
10-26-2013, 08:32 PM
#6
Burning Brakes
I've covered the not-shifting-thing in a separate thread before already.
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-rlx-problems-fixes-432/rlx-doesnt-like-3rd-gear-887379/
I believe the transmission want's to hold the gear another hundred RPM or so but the rev limiter comes in before the transmission is satisfied. That or the bone heads at Honda forgot to set a code in the transmission ecu to shift up from 2nd to 3rd under WOT or heavy loads.
Either way, the ECU has complete control over it's self and will write a code eventually based on your driving habits. I would think...
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-rlx-problems-fixes-432/rlx-doesnt-like-3rd-gear-887379/
I believe the transmission want's to hold the gear another hundred RPM or so but the rev limiter comes in before the transmission is satisfied. That or the bone heads at Honda forgot to set a code in the transmission ecu to shift up from 2nd to 3rd under WOT or heavy loads.
Either way, the ECU has complete control over it's self and will write a code eventually based on your driving habits. I would think...
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10-27-2013, 08:15 AM
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10-27-2013, 10:45 AM
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Three Wheelin'
yea, I was just gonna say, you have to turn off VSA if you are planning to run your engine like you're racing the Indy 500 (why you'd want to do that with an RLX is beyond me). Otherwise VSA places a limiter on the engine and throttle performance.
10-27-2013, 10:56 AM
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Even so.... Under 7.0 to 60 for the FWD version promises to beat the TL 6-6 to 60 with the SH-AWD version.
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10-31-2013, 09:46 AM
#11
I have to agree. From my name you can see I am Not Enthused at all with this car. I desperately want to like it, but has fallen far short of all my expectations. This morning could not get the radio to turn on until I turned the car off, locked the doors, then unlocked and started the car.
10-31-2013, 07:30 PM
#12
^^ That is the problem we face as car owners now.....People want all the technology and the more complex they make it, the more likely it is to have these glitches.
Why can't cars be cars and leave my computer at home so I can download porn rather than having to turn my heat/radio and defrost my mirrors *sigh*
Why can't cars be cars and leave my computer at home so I can download porn rather than having to turn my heat/radio and defrost my mirrors *sigh*
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11-02-2013, 03:35 PM
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Three Wheelin'
Sometimes (not always) the "glitches" are related to the new owners learning curve regarding the new technology.
I remember when the 2G RL came out, the new keyless ignition switch created no shortage of outrage among certain owners because their batteries were being drained, but the cause turned out to be the owners not turning the switch far enough and leaving the car in accessories mode when they parked. The same owners were outraged when Acura's response to their complaints was, "turn the car off when you park and leave the vehicle".
I also remember my elderly father taking his new car in to get the brakes checked when he felt ABS for the first time - he was irate that a new car shouldn't have brake problems...
I remember my "uninformed" brother taking his HID equipped car into the service center because the line of light the headlights created wasn't even on both the passenger and drivers side. It was explained that this was by design so as to not blind oncoming drivers with the new, brighter lights, he scoffed at the service manager and took it to another service center.
New technology that is different than what drivers are used to can lead to the vehicle reacting in ways that can be construed as glitches. That said, actual glitches can also appear in any new model. Just my two cents.
I remember when the 2G RL came out, the new keyless ignition switch created no shortage of outrage among certain owners because their batteries were being drained, but the cause turned out to be the owners not turning the switch far enough and leaving the car in accessories mode when they parked. The same owners were outraged when Acura's response to their complaints was, "turn the car off when you park and leave the vehicle".
I also remember my elderly father taking his new car in to get the brakes checked when he felt ABS for the first time - he was irate that a new car shouldn't have brake problems...
I remember my "uninformed" brother taking his HID equipped car into the service center because the line of light the headlights created wasn't even on both the passenger and drivers side. It was explained that this was by design so as to not blind oncoming drivers with the new, brighter lights, he scoffed at the service manager and took it to another service center.
New technology that is different than what drivers are used to can lead to the vehicle reacting in ways that can be construed as glitches. That said, actual glitches can also appear in any new model. Just my two cents.
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11-02-2013, 09:57 PM
#14
I just want to ask, is the car in Sport mode when all this is happening, or maybe manual mode?
I know that 1-->>2 happens automatically but otherwise requires paddles to move up to three.
I'm not sure how 14' works but that was the case in 09-13.
The posted video seems to show "Sport" mode but at the same time the letter "D" which makes it seem like full auto.
if all the cars are doing it...chances are it's by design, not broken.
I know that 1-->>2 happens automatically but otherwise requires paddles to move up to three.
I'm not sure how 14' works but that was the case in 09-13.
The posted video seems to show "Sport" mode but at the same time the letter "D" which makes it seem like full auto.
if all the cars are doing it...chances are it's by design, not broken.
11-03-2013, 07:48 AM
#15
2012 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe
Sometimes (not always) the "glitches" are related to the new owners learning curve regarding the new technology.
I remember when the 2G RL came out, the new keyless ignition switch created no shortage of outrage among certain owners because their batteries were being drained, but the cause turned out to be the owners not turning the switch far enough and leaving the car in accessories mode when they parked. The same owners were outraged when Acura's response to their complaints was, "turn the car off when you park and leave the vehicle".
I also remember my elderly father taking his new car in to get the brakes checked when he felt ABS for the first time - he was irate that a new car shouldn't have brake problems...
I remember my "uninformed" brother taking his HID equipped car into the service center because the line of light the headlights created wasn't even on both the passenger and drivers side. It was explained that this was by design so as to not blind oncoming drivers with the new, brighter lights, he scoffed at the service manager and took it to another service center.
New technology that is different than what drivers are used to can lead to the vehicle reacting in ways that can be construed as glitches. That said, actual glitches can also appear in any new model. Just my two cents.
I remember when the 2G RL came out, the new keyless ignition switch created no shortage of outrage among certain owners because their batteries were being drained, but the cause turned out to be the owners not turning the switch far enough and leaving the car in accessories mode when they parked. The same owners were outraged when Acura's response to their complaints was, "turn the car off when you park and leave the vehicle".
I also remember my elderly father taking his new car in to get the brakes checked when he felt ABS for the first time - he was irate that a new car shouldn't have brake problems...
I remember my "uninformed" brother taking his HID equipped car into the service center because the line of light the headlights created wasn't even on both the passenger and drivers side. It was explained that this was by design so as to not blind oncoming drivers with the new, brighter lights, he scoffed at the service manager and took it to another service center.
New technology that is different than what drivers are used to can lead to the vehicle reacting in ways that can be construed as glitches. That said, actual glitches can also appear in any new model. Just my two cents.
11-03-2013, 11:03 AM
#17
Three Wheelin'
- most owners manuals are 300 pages containing lots of useful information but it is hidden among a twisted mass of legally required, blatantly obvious statements like, "don't stand on the roof of the car with a golf club in your hand during a lightning storm".
- the salesmen rush through the new car orientation so they can dash out and cash their commission cheque
- the new car owner hears, "Wah, wah, wah" (think Charlie Brown's teacher) when listening to the new car orientation because they are still at the height of their "I just bought a new car" euphoria (this is precisely how expensive extended warranties, undercoating and paint sealants are sold)
Obviously the solution to all of this is to require all new car owners to spend at least a few months visiting Acurazine (or those other lesser quality forums related to other brands) where you learn all about your new car BEFORE you ever write the cheque. My two cents.
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11-04-2013, 02:05 AM
#18
Pro
If you are having shifting issues, it might need a reprogramming of the computer that controls that part of the transmission.
There is usually a chip that stores that stuff, and at dealers we have had to upgrade systems to resolve issues. This goes on with more than a few cars, then it is a programming defect with a recall to reprogram. All your complaiints are stored in a master system with Acura. When they see trends they want to know what is going on and start to look into why these are happening. If Acura finds a problem they will find a cure, and work to rectify it.
Get away from the area rep from Acura and start going up the food chain until you get to the big shark, that can actually do something. Take them out for a demo drive showing them exactly what is going on.
The loaner is doing the same thing, then it is a factory set up. Try the normal/sport mode to see if it shifts different. My RL needed to learn my driving habits for shifting. I was sure my car was sick, but the BB here taught me a lot. Now I have the best car I have every owned.
You might have a lemon and there are procedures for that. Rectify all avenues.
There is usually a chip that stores that stuff, and at dealers we have had to upgrade systems to resolve issues. This goes on with more than a few cars, then it is a programming defect with a recall to reprogram. All your complaiints are stored in a master system with Acura. When they see trends they want to know what is going on and start to look into why these are happening. If Acura finds a problem they will find a cure, and work to rectify it.
Get away from the area rep from Acura and start going up the food chain until you get to the big shark, that can actually do something. Take them out for a demo drive showing them exactly what is going on.
The loaner is doing the same thing, then it is a factory set up. Try the normal/sport mode to see if it shifts different. My RL needed to learn my driving habits for shifting. I was sure my car was sick, but the BB here taught me a lot. Now I have the best car I have every owned.
You might have a lemon and there are procedures for that. Rectify all avenues.
11-04-2013, 06:35 AM
#19
Suzuka Master
My experience with Acura in the past when you have problems is very bad. I escalated to Corporate and was handed back down to a regular regional area inside customer service person. The dealer always did more for me then Acura did.
11-04-2013, 09:56 AM
#20
Racer
I'm very disappointed with Acura and how they've handled my issues. - the dealer has been great and on my side Acura has been a pain.
So far my transmission wont shift into 3rd at high load or WOT. - Acura said to me " o well we wont fix that" we think driving at high load full throttle is not normal driving and we will not fix it. - keep in mind the shift happens at 52mph and twice it has happened when merging onto a 75mph highway- I had a RLX loaner for a week and the loaner had the same issue.
more door leaks - dealer replaced run channel
groaning/grinding sound - they said they dont hear it.
Random battery issues.
I've talked with other RLX owners who are not happy with similar issues. I think something needs to be done.
anyone else with issues?
So far my transmission wont shift into 3rd at high load or WOT. - Acura said to me " o well we wont fix that" we think driving at high load full throttle is not normal driving and we will not fix it. - keep in mind the shift happens at 52mph and twice it has happened when merging onto a 75mph highway- I had a RLX loaner for a week and the loaner had the same issue.
more door leaks - dealer replaced run channel
groaning/grinding sound - they said they dont hear it.
Random battery issues.
I've talked with other RLX owners who are not happy with similar issues. I think something needs to be done.
anyone else with issues?
11-04-2013, 03:36 PM
#21
Sorry for the delay.
Sometimes it wont go into 3rd unless I hit the brakes and slow down 10-15mph, sometimes It will shift about 3-5 seconds after I let off, and a few times it stays in second until I come to almost a complete stop.
Sometimes it wont go into 3rd unless I hit the brakes and slow down 10-15mph, sometimes It will shift about 3-5 seconds after I let off, and a few times it stays in second until I come to almost a complete stop.
So on WOT merging onto the freeway it stays in second gear (i.e. in the meat of the power band)? When does it finally go into third? Only after you let off? That doesn't sound so unusual.
I just want to understand a little better what you are experiencing before commenting on Acura's response.
I just want to understand a little better what you are experiencing before commenting on Acura's response.
11-04-2013, 03:37 PM
#22
11-04-2013, 03:38 PM
#23
11-04-2013, 03:41 PM
#24
the RLX will not hold any gear in sport mode using the paddles, it will still shift for you.
my TL would only automatically shift 1 ->2
my TL would only automatically shift 1 ->2
I just want to ask, is the car in Sport mode when all this is happening, or maybe manual mode?
I know that 1-->>2 happens automatically but otherwise requires paddles to move up to three.
I'm not sure how 14' works but that was the case in 09-13.
The posted video seems to show "Sport" mode but at the same time the letter "D" which makes it seem like full auto.
if all the cars are doing it...chances are it's by design, not broken.
I know that 1-->>2 happens automatically but otherwise requires paddles to move up to three.
I'm not sure how 14' works but that was the case in 09-13.
The posted video seems to show "Sport" mode but at the same time the letter "D" which makes it seem like full auto.
if all the cars are doing it...chances are it's by design, not broken.
11-04-2013, 03:46 PM
#25
Acura had the dealer send a data log of the issue happening back to them so they could see what the ECU was doing.
Acura said they dont see anything wrong but dont know why the car will not shift and will not authorize a repair for the vehicle - I assume because they dont have one.
The biggest issue with this you dont even have to be accelerating that hard for it to get stuck in 2nd gear, and many of the highways around here dont allow for leisurely merges... which has me concerned that if it gets stuck in 2nd gear Max of 50 - 52mph trying to get into traffic with no shoulder.
Acura said they dont see anything wrong but dont know why the car will not shift and will not authorize a repair for the vehicle - I assume because they dont have one.
The biggest issue with this you dont even have to be accelerating that hard for it to get stuck in 2nd gear, and many of the highways around here dont allow for leisurely merges... which has me concerned that if it gets stuck in 2nd gear Max of 50 - 52mph trying to get into traffic with no shoulder.
11-04-2013, 03:53 PM
#26
glitch is a one time thing...like how my audio setting showed +12 for bass yesterday when is only goes up to 6.
This is a defect that can be duplicated at will, the transmission ECU mapping clearly doesn't account for a certain load level - and for all I know Acura could be working on a update for that based on my data log.
This also could result is a very heavy lawsuit for Acura if I or any RLX owner were to get into a unavoidable accident due to my car being stuck in 2nd gear the damages could be millions.
This is a defect that can be duplicated at will, the transmission ECU mapping clearly doesn't account for a certain load level - and for all I know Acura could be working on a update for that based on my data log.
This also could result is a very heavy lawsuit for Acura if I or any RLX owner were to get into a unavoidable accident due to my car being stuck in 2nd gear the damages could be millions.
Sometimes (not always) the "glitches" are related to the new owners learning curve regarding the new technology.
I remember when the 2G RL came out, the new keyless ignition switch created no shortage of outrage among certain owners because their batteries were being drained, but the cause turned out to be the owners not turning the switch far enough and leaving the car in accessories mode when they parked. The same owners were outraged when Acura's response to their complaints was, "turn the car off when you park and leave the vehicle".
I also remember my elderly father taking his new car in to get the brakes checked when he felt ABS for the first time - he was irate that a new car shouldn't have brake problems...
I remember my "uninformed" brother taking his HID equipped car into the service center because the line of light the headlights created wasn't even on both the passenger and drivers side. It was explained that this was by design so as to not blind oncoming drivers with the new, brighter lights, he scoffed at the service manager and took it to another service center.
New technology that is different than what drivers are used to can lead to the vehicle reacting in ways that can be construed as glitches. That said, actual glitches can also appear in any new model. Just my two cents.
I remember when the 2G RL came out, the new keyless ignition switch created no shortage of outrage among certain owners because their batteries were being drained, but the cause turned out to be the owners not turning the switch far enough and leaving the car in accessories mode when they parked. The same owners were outraged when Acura's response to their complaints was, "turn the car off when you park and leave the vehicle".
I also remember my elderly father taking his new car in to get the brakes checked when he felt ABS for the first time - he was irate that a new car shouldn't have brake problems...
I remember my "uninformed" brother taking his HID equipped car into the service center because the line of light the headlights created wasn't even on both the passenger and drivers side. It was explained that this was by design so as to not blind oncoming drivers with the new, brighter lights, he scoffed at the service manager and took it to another service center.
New technology that is different than what drivers are used to can lead to the vehicle reacting in ways that can be construed as glitches. That said, actual glitches can also appear in any new model. Just my two cents.
11-04-2013, 03:55 PM
#27
Funny you mention the charging system issue. it was very cold this morning and I got the charging system error and had a hell of a time starting the car.
Even though I am sure I am not the dealership your going too, I am sorry you've had a bad experience with the car. An isssue we are commonly seeing is the battery charging system issue and HDD failure of the entire navi system. Keep pestering your dealership and if nothing gets fixed try another Acura dealership, inform them of the issues you are having, that the other dealership can't seem to solve them, and you hope they can solve it.
11-04-2013, 03:57 PM
#28
not Indy 500 style but anything 60%+ throttle in 2nd gear. which probably works out to a 0-60 movement of 9-10 seconds so a brisk merge.
11-04-2013, 04:08 PM
#29
I do drive slightly aggressive, but my Girlfriend took the car last week, when she came back she said the transmission acted funny for her. - thats the best she could describe.
also the " collision distance warning" popped up a few times on a total vacant road - I've had this happen a few times, maybe its finding ghost traffic.
anyway long story short. - I took my attorney for a ride and showed him the issue they agreed with me this is unacceptable how Acura handled the situation and even the dealer could be held liable for giving me back a vehicle that they considered a safety concern. So we filled against Acura and are waiting for a response.
Funny thing is when I spoke with a Rep from Acura (district manager from client relations) he pointed at the dealer and they were the reason Acura wont fix the car. - The Dealer was not very happy over this and printed out Acura's Tech line decision not to authorize a repair for the vehicle. - its like a game of point the finger.
also the " collision distance warning" popped up a few times on a total vacant road - I've had this happen a few times, maybe its finding ghost traffic.
anyway long story short. - I took my attorney for a ride and showed him the issue they agreed with me this is unacceptable how Acura handled the situation and even the dealer could be held liable for giving me back a vehicle that they considered a safety concern. So we filled against Acura and are waiting for a response.
Funny thing is when I spoke with a Rep from Acura (district manager from client relations) he pointed at the dealer and they were the reason Acura wont fix the car. - The Dealer was not very happy over this and printed out Acura's Tech line decision not to authorize a repair for the vehicle. - its like a game of point the finger.
11-04-2013, 04:12 PM
#30
My 13 TH SH had no issues learning and adapting, the RLX seems to at least mine behaves erratically at will and refuses to adaptive to input. - reminds me of a Ex of mine.
If you are having shifting issues, it might need a reprogramming of the computer that controls that part of the transmission.
There is usually a chip that stores that stuff, and at dealers we have had to upgrade systems to resolve issues. This goes on with more than a few cars, then it is a programming defect with a recall to reprogram. All your complaiints are stored in a master system with Acura. When they see trends they want to know what is going on and start to look into why these are happening. If Acura finds a problem they will find a cure, and work to rectify it.
Get away from the area rep from Acura and start going up the food chain until you get to the big shark, that can actually do something. Take them out for a demo drive showing them exactly what is going on.
The loaner is doing the same thing, then it is a factory set up. Try the normal/sport mode to see if it shifts different. My RL needed to learn my driving habits for shifting. I was sure my car was sick, but the BB here taught me a lot. Now I have the best car I have every owned.
You might have a lemon and there are procedures for that. Rectify all avenues.
There is usually a chip that stores that stuff, and at dealers we have had to upgrade systems to resolve issues. This goes on with more than a few cars, then it is a programming defect with a recall to reprogram. All your complaiints are stored in a master system with Acura. When they see trends they want to know what is going on and start to look into why these are happening. If Acura finds a problem they will find a cure, and work to rectify it.
Get away from the area rep from Acura and start going up the food chain until you get to the big shark, that can actually do something. Take them out for a demo drive showing them exactly what is going on.
The loaner is doing the same thing, then it is a factory set up. Try the normal/sport mode to see if it shifts different. My RL needed to learn my driving habits for shifting. I was sure my car was sick, but the BB here taught me a lot. Now I have the best car I have every owned.
You might have a lemon and there are procedures for that. Rectify all avenues.
11-04-2013, 04:28 PM
#31
How do you like the CTS-V ? I've been thinking about one for the past month. - but not many dealers seem to have them within 50 miles of my location.
So on WOT merging onto the freeway it stays in second gear (i.e. in the meat of the power band)? When does it finally go into third? Only after you let off? That doesn't sound so unusual.
I just want to understand a little better what you are experiencing before commenting on Acura's response.
I just want to understand a little better what you are experiencing before commenting on Acura's response.
11-06-2013, 01:48 PM
#32
Three Wheelin'
I've done it several times and know for certain it works.
-o
11-06-2013, 03:38 PM
#33
I think you're confusing what " second gear lock" mode is.
The manual states this " In sport mode using the paddle shifter The vehicle will automatically shift into 2nd gear, if the vehicle nears redline it will automatically shift gears up to 6th.
The 2nd gear "lock mode" you speak of will not truly lock the car into 2nd gear its simply a 2nd gear start and will let the vehicle start in 2nd gear but will still upshift as it nears redline. - this mode was made for starting on slippery surfaces and will still automatically upshift for you. - I've tried it on 3 RLX and they all will upshift the same, it will not truly hold 2nd gear as the TL and RDX will...RLX upshifts will still happen @ 6000-6400RPM. - Most RLX never hit peak power @6500 rpm as the transmission calls for a shift 100-500 RPM before that. - the RLX dyno by Temple of Vtec showed that.
the RDX and TL will not automatically shift past 2nd gear when in sport and paddles engaged. - you can bang the rev limiter if you're not careful
The manual states this " In sport mode using the paddle shifter The vehicle will automatically shift into 2nd gear, if the vehicle nears redline it will automatically shift gears up to 6th.
The 2nd gear "lock mode" you speak of will not truly lock the car into 2nd gear its simply a 2nd gear start and will let the vehicle start in 2nd gear but will still upshift as it nears redline. - this mode was made for starting on slippery surfaces and will still automatically upshift for you. - I've tried it on 3 RLX and they all will upshift the same, it will not truly hold 2nd gear as the TL and RDX will...RLX upshifts will still happen @ 6000-6400RPM. - Most RLX never hit peak power @6500 rpm as the transmission calls for a shift 100-500 RPM before that. - the RLX dyno by Temple of Vtec showed that.
the RDX and TL will not automatically shift past 2nd gear when in sport and paddles engaged. - you can bang the rev limiter if you're not careful
That's not true. If you read the manual you'll see there is a specific method in which to get the transmission to lock and stay in 2nd Gear. It requires you to engage "Sport" mode. I believe you have to hold the paddle down (or double-tap) and it will stay locked in 2nd gear until you manually shift it.
I've done it several times and know for certain it works.
-o
I've done it several times and know for certain it works.
-o
Last edited by dturboman; 11-06-2013 at 03:44 PM.
11-06-2013, 03:50 PM
#34
I'm sure we've all read this but, they couldn't even get the car to hit its " peak power" RPM - remember factory tach's are also pretty optimistic and usually off by 100-400 rpm.
Acura Claims 310hp@6500 rpm. - Most RLX shift at a true 6000rpm leaving 20+ hp on the table.
"the RLX performed pretty well, but as you can see on the graph, this figure came in at 6000rpms, which is 500rpms below the specified 6500rpm horsepower peak. For some reason, the car's electronics wouldn't let us complete a full pass to the rev limiter, which results in an abbreviated horsepower curve. Even though we tested the car with the transmission set to the Manual/Sport mode, it consistently upshifted early at around 6300rpms. As you can also see on the plot, the slope of the horsepower curve showed a rate of increase of roughly 20hp per 500rpms, so if we were somehow able to get a full pull (all the way to the rev limiter) in, chances are the engine would have peaked at around 270-275 whp." - Temple of Vtec RLX dyno test
Interesting enough it looked like they used a 2wd Dynojet Which I'm sure caused a bunch of WSS codes since the front wheels are moving at 80+ and the rear wheels are standing still. - The exact issue they had on the dyno is the same exact issue ( transmission not shifting) I'm having on the road which makes me think it could be related to a issue with my WSS or VSA system.
"Normally we will perform a run through the gears on the dyno for some eye candy, but this proved problematic with the RLX, as it would somehow "stick" at the rev limiter in either 1st or 2nd gear, whether or not we used the fully automatic "D" mode, automatic "S" mode, or manual "S", mode. We finally got one pass by lightly accelerating in 1st gear in "D" mode, then lifting the throttle briefly in 2nd gear. The transmission upshifted normally in 3rd and 4th gears."
Acura Claims 310hp@6500 rpm. - Most RLX shift at a true 6000rpm leaving 20+ hp on the table.
"the RLX performed pretty well, but as you can see on the graph, this figure came in at 6000rpms, which is 500rpms below the specified 6500rpm horsepower peak. For some reason, the car's electronics wouldn't let us complete a full pass to the rev limiter, which results in an abbreviated horsepower curve. Even though we tested the car with the transmission set to the Manual/Sport mode, it consistently upshifted early at around 6300rpms. As you can also see on the plot, the slope of the horsepower curve showed a rate of increase of roughly 20hp per 500rpms, so if we were somehow able to get a full pull (all the way to the rev limiter) in, chances are the engine would have peaked at around 270-275 whp." - Temple of Vtec RLX dyno test
Interesting enough it looked like they used a 2wd Dynojet Which I'm sure caused a bunch of WSS codes since the front wheels are moving at 80+ and the rear wheels are standing still. - The exact issue they had on the dyno is the same exact issue ( transmission not shifting) I'm having on the road which makes me think it could be related to a issue with my WSS or VSA system.
"Normally we will perform a run through the gears on the dyno for some eye candy, but this proved problematic with the RLX, as it would somehow "stick" at the rev limiter in either 1st or 2nd gear, whether or not we used the fully automatic "D" mode, automatic "S" mode, or manual "S", mode. We finally got one pass by lightly accelerating in 1st gear in "D" mode, then lifting the throttle briefly in 2nd gear. The transmission upshifted normally in 3rd and 4th gears."
Last edited by dturboman; 11-06-2013 at 03:56 PM.
11-06-2013, 04:16 PM
#35
Three Wheelin'
So that means it's something you shouldn't be trying to do, right? Otherwise why would you need to be careful? Why are you soo persistent on complaining about doing something with the car that you should be careful to avoid doing??
Personally I don't blame Acura for ignoring your complaints on this. The RLX was not designed to be a dragster car. If you know how you like to drive your cars, then you should spend more time researching the car designed to drive the way you want versus buying the wrong car and then trying to blame the manufacturer for lack of features that the car wasn't designed for in the first place.
11-06-2013, 04:54 PM
#36
I'm sure we've all read this but, they couldn't even get the car to hit its " peak power" RPM - remember factory tach's are also pretty optimistic and usually off by 100-400 rpm.
Acura Claims 310hp@6500 rpm. - Most RLX shift at a true 6000rpm leaving 20+ hp on the table.
"the RLX performed pretty well, but as you can see on the graph, this figure came in at 6000rpms, which is 500rpms below the specified 6500rpm horsepower peak. For some reason, the car's electronics wouldn't let us complete a full pass to the rev limiter, which results in an abbreviated horsepower curve. Even though we tested the car with the transmission set to the Manual/Sport mode, it consistently upshifted early at around 6300rpms. As you can also see on the plot, the slope of the horsepower curve showed a rate of increase of roughly 20hp per 500rpms, so if we were somehow able to get a full pull (all the way to the rev limiter) in, chances are the engine would have peaked at around 270-275 whp." - Temple of Vtec RLX dyno test
Interesting enough it looked like they used a 2wd Dynojet Which I'm sure caused a bunch of WSS codes since the front wheels are moving at 80+ and the rear wheels are standing still. - The exact issue they had on the dyno is the same exact issue ( transmission not shifting) I'm having on the road which makes me think it could be related to a issue with my WSS or VSA system.
"Normally we will perform a run through the gears on the dyno for some eye candy, but this proved problematic with the RLX, as it would somehow "stick" at the rev limiter in either 1st or 2nd gear, whether or not we used the fully automatic "D" mode, automatic "S" mode, or manual "S", mode. We finally got one pass by lightly accelerating in 1st gear in "D" mode, then lifting the throttle briefly in 2nd gear. The transmission upshifted normally in 3rd and 4th gears."
Acura Claims 310hp@6500 rpm. - Most RLX shift at a true 6000rpm leaving 20+ hp on the table.
"the RLX performed pretty well, but as you can see on the graph, this figure came in at 6000rpms, which is 500rpms below the specified 6500rpm horsepower peak. For some reason, the car's electronics wouldn't let us complete a full pass to the rev limiter, which results in an abbreviated horsepower curve. Even though we tested the car with the transmission set to the Manual/Sport mode, it consistently upshifted early at around 6300rpms. As you can also see on the plot, the slope of the horsepower curve showed a rate of increase of roughly 20hp per 500rpms, so if we were somehow able to get a full pull (all the way to the rev limiter) in, chances are the engine would have peaked at around 270-275 whp." - Temple of Vtec RLX dyno test
Interesting enough it looked like they used a 2wd Dynojet Which I'm sure caused a bunch of WSS codes since the front wheels are moving at 80+ and the rear wheels are standing still. - The exact issue they had on the dyno is the same exact issue ( transmission not shifting) I'm having on the road which makes me think it could be related to a issue with my WSS or VSA system.
"Normally we will perform a run through the gears on the dyno for some eye candy, but this proved problematic with the RLX, as it would somehow "stick" at the rev limiter in either 1st or 2nd gear, whether or not we used the fully automatic "D" mode, automatic "S" mode, or manual "S", mode. We finally got one pass by lightly accelerating in 1st gear in "D" mode, then lifting the throttle briefly in 2nd gear. The transmission upshifted normally in 3rd and 4th gears."
you seem to be saying both
11-06-2013, 09:42 PM
#37
two different issues. - One being a serious concern - the transmission sporadically failing to shift. The other being a gripe - RLX never reaching its true peak power as the ECU is programed to shift 500 RPM shy of its peak power RPM
I'm suffering from my RLX sporadically failing to shift into 3rd gear
-my issue is the car will sometimes not shift, it will remain in 2nd gear - happens at total random sometimes and it wont shift into 3rd gear sometimes it takes 3-5 seconds other times it wont shift until i come to a near dead stop - this happens In Drive and sport too.
Regarding the other topic - a gripe of mine
-Something I've noticed most RLX do is the ECU calls for upshifts around @ 6000rpm ( Tach may read 6100-6400) never reaching the cars peak power no matter the throttle input. - Acura Claims this car makes 310hp@6500 rpm, but there is a good chance you never see that 310hp @6500 rpm as the car will always up shift before peak power. - if it shifts correctly.
It would be interesting to see the Engine dyno sheet and see what it made at the flywheel @ 6000-6100 RPM - Hell it might only have made 280-290hp at that RPM, which is really a more accurate power rating for this vehicle as it will never see 6500RPM where the 310hp rating was taken.
Just for reference my Scanner shows 2803rpm when the tach was showing 3000rpm. - following the same % margin of error that would mean when the RLX indicates 6500 rpm the engine is really turning 6070rpm.
That being said if the ECU is calling for upshifts @6000rpm - the 310hp rating is nothing but fluff, a inaccurate power rating.
Ford got hammered over the 4.6l 32v (non supercharged) Cobra failing to delivery its fully advertised 320hp - some 20-40hp less. Now of course the RLX is not a performance vehicle like the Cobra was meant to be, but its still deceiving to buy a vehicle advertised to make 310hp when you will never experience that power.
I'm suffering from my RLX sporadically failing to shift into 3rd gear
-my issue is the car will sometimes not shift, it will remain in 2nd gear - happens at total random sometimes and it wont shift into 3rd gear sometimes it takes 3-5 seconds other times it wont shift until i come to a near dead stop - this happens In Drive and sport too.
Regarding the other topic - a gripe of mine
-Something I've noticed most RLX do is the ECU calls for upshifts around @ 6000rpm ( Tach may read 6100-6400) never reaching the cars peak power no matter the throttle input. - Acura Claims this car makes 310hp@6500 rpm, but there is a good chance you never see that 310hp @6500 rpm as the car will always up shift before peak power. - if it shifts correctly.
It would be interesting to see the Engine dyno sheet and see what it made at the flywheel @ 6000-6100 RPM - Hell it might only have made 280-290hp at that RPM, which is really a more accurate power rating for this vehicle as it will never see 6500RPM where the 310hp rating was taken.
Just for reference my Scanner shows 2803rpm when the tach was showing 3000rpm. - following the same % margin of error that would mean when the RLX indicates 6500 rpm the engine is really turning 6070rpm.
That being said if the ECU is calling for upshifts @6000rpm - the 310hp rating is nothing but fluff, a inaccurate power rating.
Ford got hammered over the 4.6l 32v (non supercharged) Cobra failing to delivery its fully advertised 320hp - some 20-40hp less. Now of course the RLX is not a performance vehicle like the Cobra was meant to be, but its still deceiving to buy a vehicle advertised to make 310hp when you will never experience that power.
11-06-2013, 09:57 PM
#38
Careful meaning if your in paddle shift mode in the other models and dont engage the paddle fast enough you may visit the rev limiter.
and blame who? if the car sporadically will not shift under any load above 60% throttle that is a major defect. I'm I doing anything illegal no and there by its Acura duty to repair this vehicle to perform correctly in all legal driving conditions.
Just because I dont drive my RLX at 20% throttle all the time like you doesn't mean I'm driving it like a dragster. - you're saying "the car will only operate correctly when driven @5/10th" - there are plenty of RLX drivers who endure performance and take advantage of the cars power train. - and if I decide I want to go full throttle in 2nd gear at any given time that is my right and I'm doing noting illegal by doing so, the cars inability to handle XX load comes down to a ECU mapping issue that may very well be a bug that could be addressed with a update.
-I've owned more cars than I can count and not one has ever needed to be driven a "certain way" for it to mechanically function correctly.
One day you may need to use full throttle in your RLX may it be an emergency or what have you - how will you feel when the car will not accept your command to accelerate quickly.
just for reference I am now the 4th (documented) RLX owner to complain to Acura about the sporadically shifting issue.
"blame the manufacturer for lack of features that the car wasn't designed for in the first place". - it has a gas pedal right? - yes but dont press it past 60% thats a feature the car wasn't designed for my mistake. - I hope Acura used that line in court.
and blame who? if the car sporadically will not shift under any load above 60% throttle that is a major defect. I'm I doing anything illegal no and there by its Acura duty to repair this vehicle to perform correctly in all legal driving conditions.
Just because I dont drive my RLX at 20% throttle all the time like you doesn't mean I'm driving it like a dragster. - you're saying "the car will only operate correctly when driven @5/10th" - there are plenty of RLX drivers who endure performance and take advantage of the cars power train. - and if I decide I want to go full throttle in 2nd gear at any given time that is my right and I'm doing noting illegal by doing so, the cars inability to handle XX load comes down to a ECU mapping issue that may very well be a bug that could be addressed with a update.
-I've owned more cars than I can count and not one has ever needed to be driven a "certain way" for it to mechanically function correctly.
One day you may need to use full throttle in your RLX may it be an emergency or what have you - how will you feel when the car will not accept your command to accelerate quickly.
just for reference I am now the 4th (documented) RLX owner to complain to Acura about the sporadically shifting issue.
"blame the manufacturer for lack of features that the car wasn't designed for in the first place". - it has a gas pedal right? - yes but dont press it past 60% thats a feature the car wasn't designed for my mistake. - I hope Acura used that line in court.
If you're not careful....
So that means it's something you shouldn't be trying to do, right? Otherwise why would you need to be careful? Why are you soo persistent on complaining about doing something with the car that you should be careful to avoid doing??
Personally I don't blame Acura for ignoring your complaints on this. The RLX was not designed to be a dragster car. If you know how you like to drive your cars, then you should spend more time researching the car designed to drive the way you want versus buying the wrong car and then trying to blame the manufacturer for lack of features that the car wasn't designed for in the first place.
So that means it's something you shouldn't be trying to do, right? Otherwise why would you need to be careful? Why are you soo persistent on complaining about doing something with the car that you should be careful to avoid doing??
Personally I don't blame Acura for ignoring your complaints on this. The RLX was not designed to be a dragster car. If you know how you like to drive your cars, then you should spend more time researching the car designed to drive the way you want versus buying the wrong car and then trying to blame the manufacturer for lack of features that the car wasn't designed for in the first place.
Last edited by dturboman; 11-06-2013 at 10:00 PM.
11-06-2013, 10:02 PM
#39
Three Wheelin'
Seems to be hit or miss, just like anything else, my biggest issue is Acura wont step up and make right on it.
I mean every company fucks up, but what makes that company stand out is how they handle that fuck up.
Their client relations rep said to me " o well we are not going to approve a fix for that issue and we are closing the case" - after concerns from my dealer and me about safety when it comes to the transmission limiting the car to 2nd gear.
This is my 3rd new Acura too.
I mean every company fucks up, but what makes that company stand out is how they handle that fuck up.
Their client relations rep said to me " o well we are not going to approve a fix for that issue and we are closing the case" - after concerns from my dealer and me about safety when it comes to the transmission limiting the car to 2nd gear.
This is my 3rd new Acura too.
11-06-2013, 10:13 PM
#40
