Who here has come from a 4Runner or Grand Cherokee?
#83
It's funny you say that, when the current generation came out for 2011 many publications were calling it the "American Range Rover" and I definitely agree in a lot of ways. Things like the 4 corner air suspension, select terrain knob, leather dash and doors, real wood trim, serious off road capability...etc are all from the Land Rover play book. What other non luxury branded product is offering all that stuff? Literally nothing that I can think of (other than a durango of course, but that's kind of a cop out).
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#84
That thing is a boat! I guess it's cool if you need to transport a baseball team around, but it's just far too big for anything I'd need. I will never own any "full-size" vehicle, whether it's a car, truck, or SUV. I'd actually prefer something a little smaller than midsize, but I've come to realize that midsize is what works best for just about anything I need to do. The other day I picked up a few 2x4s from Home Depot. At 8' long they fit inside perfectly (barely) and allowed me to close the rear hatch. You can't pull that off in a compact SUV, so midsize is the smallest I'm willing to go. You also get better driving dynamics in a smaller vehicle, so again, the midsize SUVs tend to be the best overall compromise.Just my $.02
#85
Yes, if you compare a Summit or even an Overland trim Grand Cherokee feature by feature with a Land Rover, they match up pretty much perfectly. I mean, you even get stuff like a full leather dash with contrast stitching and the two-row panoramic glass roof. All the electronic features as well. I think they must have targeted Range Rover when they developed the GC.
#86
I know, the WK & WK2 is on a modified ML platform. Back in the Daimler Chrysler days, I believe it was the very first shared platform vehicle. I know that the Jeep has a strengthen unibody version of the chassis. I forget the terminology, but they called is something like a ladder frame unibody, or uniframe for short. Something like that anyway. They definitely did a great job matching all the luxury and all the capability of the Range Rover.
#87
That thing is a boat! I guess it's cool if you need to transport a baseball team around, but it's just far too big for anything I'd need. I will never own any "full-size" vehicle, whether it's a car, truck, or SUV. I'd actually prefer something a little smaller than midsize, but I've come to realize that midsize is what works best for just about anything I need to do. The other day I picked up a few 2x4s from Home Depot. At 8' long they fit inside perfectly (barely) and allowed me to close the rear hatch. You can't pull that off in a compact SUV, so midsize is the smallest I'm willing to go. You also get better driving dynamics in a smaller vehicle, so again, the midsize SUVs tend to be the best overall compromise.Just my $.02
I suspect that the Tahoe will drive too big - maybe not as big as the Suburban, but we'll see tomorrow.
Thanks for everyone's input. I truly appreciate it.
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That thing is a boat! I guess it's cool if you need to transport a baseball team around, but it's just far too big for anything I'd need. I will never own any "full-size" vehicle, whether it's a car, truck, or SUV. I'd actually prefer something a little smaller than midsize, but I've come to realize that midsize is what works best for just about anything I need to do. The other day I picked up a few 2x4s from Home Depot. At 8' long they fit inside perfectly (barely) and allowed me to close the rear hatch. You can't pull that off in a compact SUV, so midsize is the smallest I'm willing to go. You also get better driving dynamics in a smaller vehicle, so again, the midsize SUVs tend to be the best overall compromise.Just my $.02
So that is Suburban. the Tahoe is about 20 inches shorter, but even the Tahoe is over 14 inches longer than the GC. I thought that sounded a bit large, so I looked up the dimensions of my 98 Yukon. It was 188 inches, so about 2 inches shorter than the GC.
I suspect that the Tahoe will drive too big - maybe not as big as the Suburban, but we'll see tomorrow.
Thanks for everyone's input. I truly appreciate it.
I suspect that the Tahoe will drive too big - maybe not as big as the Suburban, but we'll see tomorrow.
Thanks for everyone's input. I truly appreciate it.
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We have 4 kids between the two of us (think Brady Bunch)
So we need the space for road trips and camping...this was the upgrade from a minivan that I had to pry the keys out of her hand for.
The ability to go offroad and camping and daily commute while getting over 20mpg was enough to convince us to sell her Odyssey and
the 97 Wangler.
It is large though...I think it's 121 cubic feet inside with seats down.
FWIW, it doesn't "drive" big...if that makes sense...and the steering and handling with the mag ride make it a lot more engaging than you'd think.
Plus...the ride is fucking superb. Did you know that the Suburban is the longest running model in the world? Name hasn't changed since 1934.
#89
Yes, if you compare a Summit or even an Overland trim Grand Cherokee feature by feature with a Land Rover, they match up pretty much perfectly. I mean, you even get stuff like a full leather dash with contrast stitching and the two-row panoramic glass roof. All the electronic features as well. I think they must have targeted Range Rover when they developed the GC.
#90
Definitely! Especially when you consider a summit model with the full leather package is like 70k, the RR sport starts at 80k here in Canada. I think they did an incredible job with it. I can't wait to see the next generation GC due any time this year. It should be incredible.
#91
My one question is what are they doing with the platform? Is it still going to be the one dating back to 2005 Mercedes or are they using the Alfa Romeo or Maserati platform as rumored.
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#92
I don't own one but I definitely agree, best GC by far. I'm pretty sure they'll play it safe with the redesign. I expect an interior similar to the new Ram with the vertical screen and a digital dash and the outside should stay relatively similar.
My one question is what are they doing with the platform? Is it still going to be the one dating back to 2005 Mercedes or are they using the Alfa Romeo or Maserati platform as rumored.
My one question is what are they doing with the platform? Is it still going to be the one dating back to 2005 Mercedes or are they using the Alfa Romeo or Maserati platform as rumored.
#93
This one is good:
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We have 4 kids between the two of us (think Brady Bunch)
So we need the space for road trips and camping...this was the upgrade from a minivan that I had to pry the keys out of her hand for.
The ability to go offroad and camping and daily commute while getting over 20mpg was enough to convince us to sell her Odyssey and
the 97 Wangler.
It is large though...I think it's 121 cubic feet inside with seats down.
FWIW, it doesn't "drive" big...if that makes sense...and the steering and handling with the mag ride make it a lot more engaging than you'd think.
Plus...the ride is fucking superb. Did you know that the Suburban is the longest running model in the world? Name hasn't changed since 1934.
https://www.tahoeyukonforum.com/
We have 4 kids between the two of us (think Brady Bunch)
So we need the space for road trips and camping...this was the upgrade from a minivan that I had to pry the keys out of her hand for.
The ability to go offroad and camping and daily commute while getting over 20mpg was enough to convince us to sell her Odyssey and
the 97 Wangler.
It is large though...I think it's 121 cubic feet inside with seats down.
FWIW, it doesn't "drive" big...if that makes sense...and the steering and handling with the mag ride make it a lot more engaging than you'd think.
Plus...the ride is fucking superb. Did you know that the Suburban is the longest running model in the world? Name hasn't changed since 1934.
Unfortunately, there is one huge downside that makes me pause - all that interior room comes with a increased width. That increased width and height makes parking in parking garages difficult. The increased turning diameter doesn't help either.
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Considering what you were initially considering as your options, the fact that this thing is still a contender speaks volumes.
Glad you gave it a shot...
wide, it is...I like the mirror fold option which does help with people getting by it in parking lots...
Oddly, I found the turning radius actually really acceptable in comparison to my F150 work truck...
I recall noting the first night we drove it home that it was pretty tight considering it was longer than teh titanic.
Glad you gave it a shot...
wide, it is...I like the mirror fold option which does help with people getting by it in parking lots...
Oddly, I found the turning radius actually really acceptable in comparison to my F150 work truck...
I recall noting the first night we drove it home that it was pretty tight considering it was longer than teh titanic.
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Midnight Mystery (02-09-2020)
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I've too found the turning radius on most newer vehicles are getting better. Every 2016+ vehicle we've rented has had a decent turning radius and the best, by far, being a 2018 Honda Odyssey of all things.
Makes a U turn in a 3G TL feel like a limousine...
Makes a U turn in a 3G TL feel like a limousine...
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#97
LOL at a huge turning radius. My TL was a total B to park in a tight spot.
I also find an Acura turning radius is usually way wider than a comparable Honda for some reason. I've heard the same about Lexus and Toyota too.
#99
My lawn tractor turns pretty tight, but the engine is above the front wheels. ( And no pesky front driveshafts to interfere ).
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#100
I've never driven a Benz. No... I take that back... Drove a 2017-ish E350 a few weeks ago at work... It did have a nice turn radius come to think of it.
LOL at a huge turning radius. My TL was a total B to park in a tight spot.
I also find an Acura turning radius is usually way wider than a comparable Honda for some reason. I've heard the same about Lexus and Toyota too.
LOL at a huge turning radius. My TL was a total B to park in a tight spot.
I also find an Acura turning radius is usually way wider than a comparable Honda for some reason. I've heard the same about Lexus and Toyota too.
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#103
I always liked the RX300... For some reason...
I remember a few years ago we had a member here that had a mom that refused to give up her RX300 because she didn't like the newer Lexus RX's and wouldn't drive anything but a Lexus RX... And not a new one... So stubborn mom was stuck in her RX300.
Your post made me think of that for some reason...
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Midnight Mystery (02-15-2020)
#106
Although most Audi's sold in the US are quattro (AWD), the majority of Audis sold in the Fatherland are FWD and quattro makes the car feel a bit rear biased.
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