weirdness with auto stop
10-18-2018, 11:38 AM
#1
Three Wheelin'
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weirdness with auto stop
I come to a stop at parking spot and hit the brake -- engine shuts down.
I put the transmission in P -- engine starts back up.
I turn the car off.
Is there some way to avoid having the engine start back up only to be shut down by turning the car off?
I put the transmission in P -- engine starts back up.
I turn the car off.
Is there some way to avoid having the engine start back up only to be shut down by turning the car off?
10-18-2018, 11:41 AM
#2
Burning Brakes
Just turn the ignition off - car will automatically shift to park if it's not already there.
10-18-2018, 03:26 PM
#3
Or just turn off the Auto Stop feature with the button on the dash. I'm in the habit now that when I'm going to park the car somewhere or drive into the garage, I just hit the button before shifting into Park.
10-18-2018, 04:03 PM
#5
Azine Jabroni
Sounds like an annoying glitch
10-18-2018, 07:57 PM
#7
2022 MDX Advanced
Yeah that’s gotta be a software bug. There is no way the engine should restart when you put the car in park.
The workarounds seem reasonable, but really hope Acura addresses with an update.
The workarounds seem reasonable, but really hope Acura addresses with an update.
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10-18-2018, 08:00 PM
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I am still messing around with the auto-off and brake-hold systems. I don’t want to just junk them, but I haven’t yet found the best circumstances with which to use them.
10-18-2018, 08:43 PM
#9
(yes people are that dumb)
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10-18-2018, 09:07 PM
#10
I find the brake hold system really useful in drive thru's with long wait times. Auto off feature is just the manufacturer trying to save every droplet of fuel to try and get what they put on the window sticker.
10-19-2018, 07:31 AM
#12
I leave the engine auto start/stop on almost all the time. The only time I disable it is if I'm planning to "gun it" off the line -- I don't like racing the engine immediately after it restarts.
The Brake Hold is something I use in Drive-Thru lines. It really shines there. It works great with engine auto start/stop turned on. It's also useful in really awful 405-style traffic where you spend more time stopped than going, and when you're going it's just at a crawl.
The Brake Hold is something I use in Drive-Thru lines. It really shines there. It works great with engine auto start/stop turned on. It's also useful in really awful 405-style traffic where you spend more time stopped than going, and when you're going it's just at a crawl.
10-19-2018, 08:01 AM
#13
It’s not just an Acura thing, my Mercedes operates the same way. The engine also fires up if you unlatch the driver seatbelt or open the driver side door. I don’t think it’s a software glitch. As you mentioned, it was designed that way to prevent people getting out of their cars with engine on auto stop. There’s no way around it other than turning the engine off prior to doing any of the procedures. Not a bad idea I would say.
10-19-2018, 08:02 AM
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I leave the engine auto start/stop on almost all the time. The only time I disable it is if I'm planning to "gun it" off the line -- I don't like racing the engine immediately after it restarts.
The Brake Hold is something I use in Drive-Thru lines. It really shines there. It works great with engine auto start/stop turned on. It's also useful in really awful 405-style traffic where you spend more time stopped than going, and when you're going it's just at a crawl.
The Brake Hold is something I use in Drive-Thru lines. It really shines there. It works great with engine auto start/stop turned on. It's also useful in really awful 405-style traffic where you spend more time stopped than going, and when you're going it's just at a crawl.
10-19-2018, 09:32 AM
#15
I wouldn't use it in normal driving or on your driveway. What is the benefit there? It's meant for stop-and-go situations where you're constantly switching from brake to accelerator. It really just relieves the need to constantly hold the brake pedal.
10-19-2018, 12:58 PM
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The benefit there is that it holds the car on the brakes, and if I forget to manually set the parking brake, it might avoid having the car rest on the transmission Park pawl.
10-19-2018, 12:59 PM
#17
What you should do is just set your parking brake.
10-19-2018, 06:40 PM
#19
Brake Hold I'm a fan. Engine shut off feature I'm not, but I can see why they do it. So I just would keep Brake Hold on. Gone are the days of simple cars, when all it took was a good, attentive driver. Now we have all these safety and convenience features that are more trouble then they are worth.
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10-19-2018, 07:04 PM
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Some, I agree aren't very useful, e.g. blind spot detection and active cruise control.
If mirrors are adjusted correctly, blind spot detection is not needed. I'm not sure where I found this piece so I cannot credit the original source.
It's all done with mirrors. An important part of safe driving is knowing what is around you at all times. However, if your side-view mirrors are not set correctly, you might experience blind spots. Here are three suggestions for a clear view:
- Step 1: Adjust your inside rear-view mirror to reflect the entire rear window. At night, if you don't have an auto-dimming mirror, use the mirror angle switch to eliminate headlight glare.
- Step 2: While resting your head on the left window, adjust the left side-view mirror so you can see just beyond the car's left side.
- Step 3: Align your head under the rear-view mirror, then adjust the right side-view mirror so you can see just beyond your car's right side.
10-19-2018, 07:17 PM
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10-20-2018, 02:45 AM
#22
Amid all the complex ones, there are some cool ones. The rear camera is very useful and parking sensors are very useful as well in tight parking spots. For folks in hilly areas like San Francisco, I'm sure brake hold is considered a huge help when they are going up a steep incline and hit a stop sign.
Some, I agree aren't very useful, e.g. blind spot detection and active cruise control.
If mirrors are adjusted correctly, blind spot detection is not needed. I'm not sure where I found this piece so I cannot credit the original source.
And with active cruise control, the driver is still responsible if things go wrong so I would never use it. I don't have the concentration to stay attentive watching a machine doing a repetitive task. I'd rather just do the task myself.
Some, I agree aren't very useful, e.g. blind spot detection and active cruise control.
If mirrors are adjusted correctly, blind spot detection is not needed. I'm not sure where I found this piece so I cannot credit the original source.
And with active cruise control, the driver is still responsible if things go wrong so I would never use it. I don't have the concentration to stay attentive watching a machine doing a repetitive task. I'd rather just do the task myself.
Regarding the mirror adjustment, this is spot on. I was introduced to this technique way back in the mid-eighties when I was working with a temp transfer employee from Germany. If you set your mirrors as described and watch a car overtaking you in the left lane, as the cars rear corner is still visible in the center rearview mirror, the front appears in your side view mirror and as the rear corner of the car travels into the view of the side view mirror, you see the car in your peripheral vision as the front of the car is even with the drivers position. In other words, without turning your head (your eyes move enough to glance at the side view mirror) you never lose sight of a car overtaking you in the left lane, your blind spot is covered by your side view mirror. Also works for the right side, but the convex mirror helps a lot on that side.
10-21-2018, 08:13 AM
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10-21-2018, 08:39 AM
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note: this is just the vehicle putting the transmission into “Park” when opening the door — not the same as applying the parking brake.
10-21-2018, 09:29 AM
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I haven’t worked out all the combinations, but I have gone back to the tried and true procedure when parking in my driveway: Stop the car, hold the foot brake, put it in Neutral. Set the parking brake, release the foot brake. Let it set, put it in Park, turn off the car. Been doing that for the 30+ years I’ve lived in this house with the only exception being putting it in gear when the car was an MT.
Since I always set the parking brake, it has never frozen on me.
Since I always set the parking brake, it has never frozen on me.
10-21-2018, 12:23 PM
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9th Gear
Recently test drove a few RDX's and I really liked the brake hold feature especially since I have a steep driveway where it will help until I would put it into park. RE: opening doors and holding car, I know my Audi does that automatically but warns you to put the car in drive. Wow, remember when we actually had to KNOW what to do versus letting the car try and do it all for us? ;-)
10-21-2018, 12:33 PM
#28
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I think the problem with a lot of these technologies is that they are implemented very differently across different manufacturers. Once someone gets used to them in one car, they probably won't find it to be as much of a nuisance. But there is a learning curve and too many features. And if one has multiple cars, it becomes all the more difficult. In the era of iPhone where the device comes with a "getting started" card and no manual, nobody reads manuals anymore. I think manufacturers should instead have videos of the nanny systems for each model on their website. It would be much more effective as a training tool explaining what it was intended for and how it should be used, and where it is not recommended.
10-21-2018, 02:07 PM
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I generally leave it on unless there is a specific reason I need to be ready for instantaneous launch, like making a left after a stop, or needing to enter a highway from a stop.
10-21-2018, 02:53 PM
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I guess since I don't live in a large city / lots of congested traffic any more is the biggest reason I don't like the feature. Also, I didn't like the idea of the extra wear & tear on the starter. However, after a little quick research, I found this interesting article so maybe it's not such a big deal as I originally thought.From AutoWeek:"As the name implies, automatic stop/start shuts off the engine instead of it idling at a stop and then rapidly restarts the engine when you want to drive away. If you do a lot of stop-and-go driving, you're reducing emissions and saving fuel by not idling for extended periods. More important to the automakers, adding stop/start tech increases Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) figures, helping offset all those big SUVs being sold. Automatic stop/start systems do present engineering challenges. The electric starter that was designed to fire your engine a few times a day now has to start the same engine every time the car comes to a full stop. Obviously, a starter that was designed for 50,000 start cycles can't suddenly be responsible for 500K start cycles, so automakers have phased in special starters to better handle
the stress. The frequent cycling can strain internal engine parts, too. Most engine wear and tear happens during startup, so engineers have
With automatic stop/start and an automatic transmission, holding the brake after coming to a complete stop will usually trigger the system to shut down the engine. Lifting your foot off the brake (and, on some systems, turning the steering wheel) will restart the engine, usually bringing it up to speed by the time your foot reaches the accelerator pedal. With a manual transmission, shifting to neutral and releasing the clutch generally switches off the engine; pushing in the clutch pedal starts it back up, and the car is ready to go by the time you have it in gear. Depending on the vehicle, the engine may also restart if the climate control system needs additional heating or cooling; the system may also deactivate if the weather outside is above or below a certain temperature.Will this save you thousands of dollars in gas? Not likely, but if you live in a congested area, the few extra miles you might get from a tank of fuel will add up, as will the less-visible emissions benefits. More importantly, you shouldn't have to worry about added stress on your car -- it's been engineered to deal with the new technology."
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10-21-2018, 03:42 PM
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I have a 2009 Camry Hybrid and I wondered the same thing about the starter being asked to perform so many times but it's 9 years old and no hint of a problem. Of course on Tuesday it will be gone, replaced by the RDX.
10-21-2018, 03:49 PM
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10-21-2018, 04:58 PM
#35
yes, I intentionally leave it on 99% of the time. I like it.the only time I disable it is if I’m planning to gun-it at a light. I don’t like putting high load on the engine right after it starts, so I’ll disable the auto-stop preemptively if I think I’ll need to floor it.
10-22-2018, 07:17 AM
#37
I honestly dont understand why people have a hard time with it. I haven’t heard any rational explanations. It all seems to be just “fear of change”.
10-22-2018, 07:28 AM
#38
Suzuka Master
It's being forced on us.
It's irrational to me that you just accept it
10-22-2018, 07:37 AM
#39
Actually, that's pretty much the dictionary definition of "irrational". Not providing a reasonable explaination and "just not liking it" is irrational.
And a synonym, which exactly matches:
Who forced you to buy a new car?
I don't like CVTs, and no one forced me to buy an Infiniti QX60, so I bought a MDX, instead.
And a synonym, which exactly matches:
Who forced you to buy a new car?
I don't like CVTs, and no one forced me to buy an Infiniti QX60, so I bought a MDX, instead.
10-22-2018, 08:19 AM
#40
Suzuka Master
Actually, that's pretty much the dictionary definition of "irrational". Not providing a reasonable explaination and "just not liking it" is irrational.
And a synonym, which exactly matches:
Who forced you to buy a new car?
I don't like CVTs, and no one forced me to buy an Infiniti QX60, so I bought a MDX, instead.
And a synonym, which exactly matches:
Who forced you to buy a new car?
I don't like CVTs, and no one forced me to buy an Infiniti QX60, so I bought a MDX, instead.
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