SuperHandlingTL

alpha0

Siince current MDX sells well at 300-310hp range, why would Acura not create base model around that range and have another step up model around 370-380 hp/torque range? They dont need to call it Type S.

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skarface

Acurawatch was standard starting in 2017.

E92Vancouver

I am hoping for a new 2020 MDX that launches sometime this year. The current model is long on the tooth.It is especially lacking in the infotainment department. The V6 turbo with quad exhaust is going to be nice.I will not buy an MDX until the new model comes out.

bobby2478

Just be prepared to wait up to another year and a half. Also be prepared to spend roughly 10k more as next gen will not only have higher sticker it will sell at full MSRP (maybe more at first) for close to the first year on the market. It should sell even better than the rdx is and with as hot as its selling there's little incentive to discount.

That's why I ultimately decided to just bite the bullet and buy a 19 instead as those can be had for under invoice.

skarface

Yeah if you can wait, I definitely would. It would be the worst time to buy a new MDX right now if the 2020 is the redesign. You aren't getting the closeout deal for it being the last year of the generation and you bought a old design you're stuck with that immediately looks dated (the interior is really hurting- the new grille helped a bit though).

joshuaren

Confirmed by SVP of American Honda - there will be a new TLX this year, new MDX & ILX next year and Type-S variants within 24 months.

https://www.autonews.com/nada-show/p...-acura-dealers

Tony Pac

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ZipSpeed

With CUVs dominating sales, it would make absolutely no sense for Acura to introduce a brand new ILX before a CDX. With sedan sales the way they are, the TLX is all they need. If they want a second car, make a coupe version of the CTR and call it RSX. To replace the RLX, slot a new flagship CUV above the MDX.

Mototech22

Everyone,

see the link below. is from Acura Connected. they are testing a MDX Type S.

Link: Acura MDX Test Mule Spied ? Acura Connected

skarface

Funny that people defended Acura for so long when Acura themselves even knew the product took a turn for the worse. Kind of odd to hear the dealers admit they have stale product they have been trying to sell for years.
"For the past few years, we've had some stale product to work with. The dealer board has been very vocal with the manufacturer about our need for new product. And now we're seeing Acura management deliver on making it happen."

ZipSpeed

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bobby2478

Compare the MSRP of the most expensive 2018 rdx and the range topping 2019 rdx, the most expensive rdx went up about 7k MSRP from last year. And it is still largely selling for around full MSRP outside of a few deals here and there.

The 2019 MDX is already almost 62k MSRP, redesign range topping trim will easily be pushing 67k (which is what a fully loaded Qx60 goes for in 2019).

Considering invoice on a 19 Advance with Entertainment is about 57k and assuming next gen MDX sells at full invoice for some time and you will be paying roughly an extra 10k for the next gen. They won't have trouble selling them as fast as they can make them even at that price.

I couldn't wait but even if I could it wouldn't be worth an extra 10k to me as at that point the Q7 comes into play.

bobby2478

If you want to talk about stale products look no further than Infiniti, most of their models outside the new Qx50 are about 9 years into their current design outside of a minor grill refresh. And they'll continue to age another few years until they are ready to electrify their lineup.

skarface

That's probably why Acura and Infiniti are looked upon as second rate quasi luxury. They really need to get their acts together.
The Lexus RX outsells the RDX and MDX combined. Maybe that will change with the MDX redesign.

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bobby2478

And they're always slow to the game for introducing new tech, for example they've been holding off on incorporating Android auto and Apple Carplay.

I'd have seriously considered the rx350l if it had those, as well as was more comparable size wise to the mdx (rx350l is tiny) and was more exciting to drive. It's in the same price point not like it was radically more expensive

bobby2478

They're entry level luxury (not on par with Lexus BMW Mercedes range rover audi Porsche etc) because they aren't as luxurious in terms of materials or options, aren't as expensive, and don't quite have the reputation to be considered true luxury. Which is fine because they have carved out a nice niche in the entry luxury space. Even audi has struggled to be considered truly a luxury car that is on par with BMW Mercedes range rover jaguar and Porsche, only over the past 6 years or so have they really started to force their way into the discussion for being a true luxury brand

Tony Pac

100% agreed about Audi.
And even now, a group of people stay away from Audi since they are built on VW platform and people find a lot of similarities between VW and Audi.

skarface

The RX interior blows the current MDX away but the driving dynamics are definitely terrible. Feels like you are going to tip over if you take a turn a little bit aggressively. If you don't drive like that ever I can see it's appeal.

Acura has pretty much abandoned it's tier 1 luxury ambitions and turned back to the Type-S performance angle. We sell fast cars! They partnered with Penske to try to reignite that image.

skarface

Jon Ikeda almost begging the dealers to hang in there, better times are on the way. It's refreshing to have them admit the public was right, the product was not good. Hopefully, the redesigned MDX steps it up a couple of notches.

https://acurazine.com/forums/automot.../#post16373974

bobby2478

Just like Cadillac Lincoln Infiniti and others there is a market for tier 2 luxury brands and so Acura can definitely compete in this space with more emphasis on performance, hopefully they continue to improve the luxury of their products as I think they have to do to compete with those other brands. Infiniti also used to skimp out on luxury and have changed recently to really upgrade the luxury of their new products. If Acura really wants to compete they'll have to continue to upgrade luxury, which the new rdx is a good first step.

Agree 100% about RX interior luxury and driving dynamics. My other gripe is the new L model while having a 3rd row is so much smaller than the mdx it isn't really usable. If it were similar size and had android auto and Apple Carplay I'd really have thought about buying it over the mdx.

skarface

Yeah, I thought the RXL was going to be an MDX killer but they kind of phoned it in. It looks like they just shoved a third row in and stretched it a bit. If they include their new torque vectoring AWD (improve driving dynamics) and continue to exceed Acura on luxury, it might be big trouble for the MDX.

bobby2478

The current rxl in my opinion isn't much of a threat to the mdx for people really looking for 3 rows and enough usable space for a family. It could take some business away from the regular RX as if u are going to buy that why not get extra cargo space even if u never use the 3rd row.

If they make a true 3 row comparable in size (cargo and passenger space) to the mdx and finally improve their infotainment and add android auto/apple car play then definitely the mdx has another serious competitor. Even more so if they improve the AWD, improve handling and power and fuel economy.

If it's about the same size, drives similar, has comparable power (acceleration) and fuel economy but has a true luxury interior with Lexus reliability for about the same price I'd have bought it instead of the mdx

coykiam

Besides the power improvement (both TQ and HP) I'm hoping the MDX Type-S version comes with wider tires.

emas

The counter to that perspective is that all of the bugs and problems are worked through at the end of a design generation, and they tend to be much more reliable.

This is my buying dilemma There are several to many aspects of Acura’s current designs that really irritate me. So much so that I recently bought a Toyota Tacoma because of my continued disappointment. Am still considering an MDX to replace my TL-S, I think their last great design, but not sure I want to deal with the issues of a new design release.

MrJames

2020 MDX PMC edition will be announced in NY next week. Basically a Canadian Elite (A-spec with Advance features) version for the US except it's being built by hand.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/04/11/...alongside-nsx/

Looks like I'll be looking to get deal on a 2019 in the next month or two.

ZipSpeed

So this marketing stunt basically admits that there will be no new Acura products this year. Other than the RDX, it's going to be a boring year for the brand.

bobby2478

Or you could look at it from the perspective that they are trying to learn lessons from the RDX which has some brand new technology (including infotainment) to hopefully launch the new MDX on the right foot instead of rushing it and having to mitigate tons of issues with it (also allowing resources to be dedicated to fixing RDX issues instead of being spread across that and finishing up MDX for launch). Although who knows what the rationale for it is

skarface

"Because we can"

Seems silly to release this. Should maybe get those expert technicians over to the RDX assembly line to help them instead of wasting their time hand building an Accord+.

ZipSpeed

Absolutely. If no new vehicles this year means we get better launches next year, I'm all for that. But knowing Acura, they'll probably find a way to bungle it up. Honda in the past had made promises to improve QC, but have things really improved? Between infotainment problems and oil dilution issues, it's hard not to be a pessimist when it comes to the brand.