2016 MDX details out
02-03-2015, 07:51 AM
#1
2016 MDX details out
Best Selling Acura MDX Receives Powertrain Upgrades, AcuraWatch? and Expanded Options for 2016, Enhancing Performance, Safety and Luxury - Honda News
9AT across the board. Acurawatch option for base and tech trims. $1500 price increase over the base trim for Acurawatch - only $1200 over the tech trim. Lots more trim options. New SHAWD system.
Fuel economy went down?
9AT across the board. Acurawatch option for base and tech trims. $1500 price increase over the base trim for Acurawatch - only $1200 over the tech trim. Lots more trim options. New SHAWD system.
Fuel economy went down?
02-03-2015, 08:22 AM
#2
mrgold35
No standard fogs, no sport model (larger tires, larger stabilizer bar, sport+ setting) and I can't tell if they include 360 degree camera for parking? I figured mpgs would stay the same or go up with a 9AT and lighter overall weight?
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Acura_Dude (02-05-2015)
02-03-2015, 08:49 AM
#4
2016 mdx
2016 MDX Feature Upgrade Summary
Trim
New 2016 Features
MDX/
w/RES
- 9-speed automatic transmission
- Electronic gear selector
- Frameless rearview mirror
- Siri voice recognition
- Easy Entry driver's seat
MDX
Tech/
w/RES
Changed or added from MDX:
- Multi-View Rear camera with Cross Traffic Monitor
- Lane Keep Assist System (LKAS) + Lane Departure Warning (LDW)
- Forward Collision Warning (FCW), car-to-car and car-to-pedestrian
MDX
Adv/
w/RES
Changed or added from MDX with Technology Package:
- Bi-directional remote engine starter
- Idle stop
- Head Up Warning
- AcuraWatch™ (components listed below)
Acura-
Watch™
When added to MDX and MDX with Technology Package:
- Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) with Low Speed Follow (LSF)
- Forward Collision Warning (FCW), car-to-car and car-to-pedestrian
- Collision Mitigating Braking System (CMBS),
car-to-car and car-to-pedestrian
- Lane Keeping Assist System (LKAS) + Lane Departure Warning
(LDW)
- Road Departure Mitigation (RDM)
Trim
New 2016 Features
MDX/
w/RES
- 9-speed automatic transmission
- Electronic gear selector
- Frameless rearview mirror
- Siri voice recognition
- Easy Entry driver's seat
MDX
Tech/
w/RES
Changed or added from MDX:
- Multi-View Rear camera with Cross Traffic Monitor
- Lane Keep Assist System (LKAS) + Lane Departure Warning (LDW)
- Forward Collision Warning (FCW), car-to-car and car-to-pedestrian
MDX
Adv/
w/RES
Changed or added from MDX with Technology Package:
- Bi-directional remote engine starter
- Idle stop
- Head Up Warning
- AcuraWatch™ (components listed below)
Acura-
Watch™
When added to MDX and MDX with Technology Package:
- Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) with Low Speed Follow (LSF)
- Forward Collision Warning (FCW), car-to-car and car-to-pedestrian
- Collision Mitigating Braking System (CMBS),
car-to-car and car-to-pedestrian
- Lane Keeping Assist System (LKAS) + Lane Departure Warning
(LDW)
- Road Departure Mitigation (RDM)
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02-03-2015, 01:03 PM
#8
Originally Posted by Hondanews.com
SH-AWD System Layout — The TLX SH-AWD is a full-time all-wheel-drive system that requires no driver interaction or monitoring, thanks to a torque-transfer unit that is bolted directly to the front-mounted transaxle. The torque-transfer unit receives torque from a helical gear that is attached to the front differential's ring gear, and a short horizontal shaft and hypoid gear set within the torque-transfer unit's case send power to the rear propeller shaft, which in turn transfers power to the rear drive unit.
The TLX's new, more lightweight (25 percent reduction) SH-AWD rear drive unit is constantly overdriven by 2.7-percent (the previous generation TL system was overdriven by 1.7-percent). The resulting overdrive effect is regulated by left- and right-side clutch packs (located in the rear differential) that independently control the power delivered to each rear wheel. The increased overdrive percentage in the new TLX means that the torque vectoring effect is more pronounced and effective even in corners with a radius of as little as 49.2 feet (15 meters). This means that torque vectoring can be felt more often, such as when accelerating aggressively through a standard corner. Up to 885 lb.-ft. of torque can be delivered to either rear wheel, which gives the system the unique ability to yaw the TLX into turns for superior handling.
Hydraulically operated clutch systems mounted on either side of the hypoid gear that drives the rear axles control the amount of torque sent to each rear wheel and provide a limited-slip differential function when needed. The clutches can be controlled as a pair to alter front/rear torque split or they can be controlled independently to allow 100-percent of available rear axle torque to go to just one rear wheel.
In this new iteration of SH-AWD, a single electric motor powers a pair of hydraulic pumps — one for each clutch pack. An Electronic Control Unit (ECU) controlled linear solenoid valve selectively sends pressure to the clutch packs, which in turn control the amount of power sent to each rear wheel. This new hydraulic system eliminates the magnets, coils and other components of the previous electromechanical SH-AWD system to realize a substantial weight savings
The clutch packs and their friction material are carefully designed to withstand the small amount of continuous slip between front and rear axles created by the 2.7-percent speed differential — all while delivering the durability expected of an Acura product.
The TLX's new, more lightweight (25 percent reduction) SH-AWD rear drive unit is constantly overdriven by 2.7-percent (the previous generation TL system was overdriven by 1.7-percent). The resulting overdrive effect is regulated by left- and right-side clutch packs (located in the rear differential) that independently control the power delivered to each rear wheel. The increased overdrive percentage in the new TLX means that the torque vectoring effect is more pronounced and effective even in corners with a radius of as little as 49.2 feet (15 meters). This means that torque vectoring can be felt more often, such as when accelerating aggressively through a standard corner. Up to 885 lb.-ft. of torque can be delivered to either rear wheel, which gives the system the unique ability to yaw the TLX into turns for superior handling.
Hydraulically operated clutch systems mounted on either side of the hypoid gear that drives the rear axles control the amount of torque sent to each rear wheel and provide a limited-slip differential function when needed. The clutches can be controlled as a pair to alter front/rear torque split or they can be controlled independently to allow 100-percent of available rear axle torque to go to just one rear wheel.
In this new iteration of SH-AWD, a single electric motor powers a pair of hydraulic pumps — one for each clutch pack. An Electronic Control Unit (ECU) controlled linear solenoid valve selectively sends pressure to the clutch packs, which in turn control the amount of power sent to each rear wheel. This new hydraulic system eliminates the magnets, coils and other components of the previous electromechanical SH-AWD system to realize a substantial weight savings
The clutch packs and their friction material are carefully designed to withstand the small amount of continuous slip between front and rear axles created by the 2.7-percent speed differential — all while delivering the durability expected of an Acura product.
the new MDX SHAWD info said that they are using dual clutch packs as well.
02-03-2015, 01:08 PM
#9
Final drive ratio on 2016 is a bit higher (4.33 vs 4.25). 9th gear is 0.48. 6th gear on prior MDX is 0.56. The 1st gear on 2016 is quite low (numerically high)...so, it should be pretty peppy from stop.
MDX SH-AWD TECH curb weight:
2016 = 4211
2015 = 4270
Weight distribution of SH-AWD:
2016 = 60/40
2015 = 58/42
Those are the only tech differences that i can see from briefly looking it over.
MDX SH-AWD TECH curb weight:
2016 = 4211
2015 = 4270
Weight distribution of SH-AWD:
2016 = 60/40
2015 = 58/42
Those are the only tech differences that i can see from briefly looking it over.
02-03-2015, 01:09 PM
#10
02-03-2015, 01:17 PM
#11
Racer
wow, i thought they gonna reserve the 9 speed for MMC, didn't know they'd bring that out this quickly. feel bad for those who bought recently, hope all of you got killer deals because it doesn't matter whether you prefer the 6 speed or 9 speed, this change is going to affect MDX's resale values down the road big time between a '14-'15 and post '16 models.
Last edited by kevTL888; 02-03-2015 at 01:19 PM.
02-03-2015, 02:13 PM
#13
wow, i thought they gonna reserve the 9 speed for MMC, didn't know they'd bring that out this quickly. feel bad for those who bought recently, hope all of you got killer deals because it doesn't matter whether you prefer the 6 speed or 9 speed, this change is going to affect MDX's resale values down the road big time between a '14-'15 and post '16 models.
02-03-2015, 02:14 PM
#14
I am so curious as to how this new system compares to the electro-magnetic system of the 4th gen TL SH-AWD.
- is it more or less durable?
- It is lighter and has fewer parts so it SHOULD be simpler therefore potentially less complex with fewer things to go wrong
Does anyone know the overall service life of SH-AWD? Can it go 300,000 miles with just fluid changes?
02-03-2015, 02:29 PM
#15
mrgold35
This 07 MDX went 395,956 miles with just fluid changes: CARFAX Vehicle History Report for this 2007 ACURA MDX SPORT: 2HNYD28817H501315
02-03-2015, 02:39 PM
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02-03-2015, 03:09 PM
#21
Pro
wow, i thought they gonna reserve the 9 speed for MMC, didn't know they'd bring that out this quickly. feel bad for those who bought recently, hope all of you got killer deals because it doesn't matter whether you prefer the 6 speed or 9 speed, this change is going to affect MDX's resale values down the road big time between a '14-'15 and post '16 models.
The price went up for the 2016 and you have to pay extra to get the Acura Watch (Tech and Base), so the added features are not free.
Last edited by hondu; 02-03-2015 at 03:13 PM.
02-03-2015, 03:12 PM
#22
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02-03-2015, 03:14 PM
#23
I disagree. I doubt it will change re-sale values at all, unless you plan on trading in your 2014-15 model tomorrow on a 2016. Three years from now, it will mean nothing.
The price went up for the 2016 and you have to pay extra to get the Acura Watch, so the added features are not free.
The price went up for the 2016 and you have to pay extra to get the Acura Watch, so the added features are not free.
02-03-2015, 03:19 PM
#25
Pro
I don't know, maybe it could be a great tranny eventually, but it is too new to tell and I don't want to participate in the experiment at this point.
02-03-2015, 03:22 PM
#26
Racer
that's not true. i'd be bummed out too if i just recently purchased a '15. sure newer techs are keep coming but powertrain (motor and tranny) changes are few and far in between, sometimes we see 2 generations go by with any powertrain changes.
02-03-2015, 03:27 PM
#29
Pro
02-03-2015, 03:30 PM
#30
Pro
EDIT:
The production of the 9HP at ZF's Gray Court facility in Greenville, South Carolina started in 2013 with 400,000 units produced per year.[8]
Production of 9HP at Indiana Transmission Plant I (ITPI) began in May 2013, followed by Tipton Transmission Plant at Tipton County, Indiana in 2014-05-13. The Chrysler transmission units used parts from Kokomo, Ind. Castings, with machining of the prismatic parts - housings, blocks and heads - done at Kokomo Transmission; and the rotating parts – gears and crank shafts – came from ITPI.[9]
Last edited by hondu; 02-03-2015 at 03:35 PM.
02-03-2015, 03:32 PM
#31
"It’s a nine-speed transaxle for transverse applications sporting a 9.8 ratio spread (that’s good) and it promises 10-percent better fuel economy when compared to a six-speed slushbox.
If a 10-percent improvement isn’t enough, chew on this: at a steady 75 mph, the 9HP delivers 16-percent better fuel economy than a six-speed. Again, that’s according to ZF."
WTH did Honda do to this transmission?!
Last edited by Tigmd99; 02-03-2015 at 03:38 PM.
02-03-2015, 03:41 PM
#32
Very interesting article regarding 9-ZF transmission: ZF's 9-Speed 9HP Transmission Puts Dog Clutches On The Leash - The Truth About Cars
Hmmm, i am not so sure on this one...read the whole article, very educational for me. But this paragraph worries me:
"Downshifts are where the 9HP truly feels different. Because of the design, if you’re in 8th gear and want to pass, the transmission will often need to drop 4 or 5 gears to get to a suitable ratio. (Remember that 4th gear is the first ratio going back down the scale that is lower than 1:1.) To do this the transmission has to accomplish the harder task of engaging two dog clutches. To do this the transmission doesn’t use cone synchros like a manual (too bulky) it uses software. Engaging dog clutches requires a longer and yet more severe reduction in torque than the disengagement because the transmission has to align the clutch and then engage it. In most automatics when you floor the car you get an instant feeling of acceleration that improves as the transmission downshifts. Although there would be moments of power reduction (depending on the programming) during this time, the engine is always providing some force forward. The 9HP’s software on the other hand responds by cutting power initially, then diving as far down the gear-ladder as it can, engaging the dog clutches and then reinstating your throttle command. The result is a somewhat odd delay between the pedal on the floor and the car taking off like a bat out of hell. According to Volvo’s powertrain guys, this shift behavior is one of the main reasons they chose the Aisin 8-speed (shared with the Lexus RX F-Sport) over the ZF 9-speed used by Land Rover and Chrysler."
Lexus and Volvo passed on the 9-ZF because drive-ability sucked.
And do not forget that Chrysler had to delay Jeep Grand Cherokee intro because of durability concerns....
Hmmm, i am not so sure on this one...read the whole article, very educational for me. But this paragraph worries me:
"Downshifts are where the 9HP truly feels different. Because of the design, if you’re in 8th gear and want to pass, the transmission will often need to drop 4 or 5 gears to get to a suitable ratio. (Remember that 4th gear is the first ratio going back down the scale that is lower than 1:1.) To do this the transmission has to accomplish the harder task of engaging two dog clutches. To do this the transmission doesn’t use cone synchros like a manual (too bulky) it uses software. Engaging dog clutches requires a longer and yet more severe reduction in torque than the disengagement because the transmission has to align the clutch and then engage it. In most automatics when you floor the car you get an instant feeling of acceleration that improves as the transmission downshifts. Although there would be moments of power reduction (depending on the programming) during this time, the engine is always providing some force forward. The 9HP’s software on the other hand responds by cutting power initially, then diving as far down the gear-ladder as it can, engaging the dog clutches and then reinstating your throttle command. The result is a somewhat odd delay between the pedal on the floor and the car taking off like a bat out of hell. According to Volvo’s powertrain guys, this shift behavior is one of the main reasons they chose the Aisin 8-speed (shared with the Lexus RX F-Sport) over the ZF 9-speed used by Land Rover and Chrysler."
Lexus and Volvo passed on the 9-ZF because drive-ability sucked.
And do not forget that Chrysler had to delay Jeep Grand Cherokee intro because of durability concerns....
Last edited by Tigmd99; 02-03-2015 at 03:46 PM.
02-03-2015, 06:11 PM
#33
Instructor
As for the '15 that I am currently have,
disappointed to be honest with you. I'd expect it to be better since it is the luxury brand after all.
02-03-2015, 06:13 PM
#34
Instructor
02-03-2015, 06:18 PM
#35
9-speed tranny, since other Acura models are equipped with more than 6-speed. I was surprised that the MDX did not come with that.
As for the '15 that I am currently have, disappointed to be honest with you. I'd expect it to be better since it is the luxury brand after all.
As for the '15 that I am currently have,
disappointed to be honest with you. I'd expect it to be better since it is the luxury brand after all.
02-03-2015, 06:20 PM
#36
9-speed tranny, since other Acura models are equipped with more than 6-speed. I was surprised that the MDX did not come with that.
As for the '15 that I am currently have, disappointed to be honest with you. I'd expect it to be better since it is the luxury brand after all.
As for the '15 that I am currently have,
disappointed to be honest with you. I'd expect it to be better since it is the luxury brand after all.Luxury brand are not supposed to have ANY issue even if that issue is extremely rare??? You think Lexus does not have any issue at all? You think Mercedes S-class have no issue? You think Infiniti QX60 has no issue?
Your expectations are unrealistic. What happened to your steering in your 2015 MDX sucks, no doubt. But that issue of yours is not frequent nor common. As for your foglights, i just had to laugh on that one...still laughing in fact!
02-03-2015, 07:17 PM
#37
Instructor
02-03-2015, 07:25 PM
#38
Instructor
S
So, after reading above about 9-speed ZF, you still want 9-speed auto?!
Luxury brand are not supposed to have ANY issue even if that issue is extremely rare??? You think Lexus does not have any issue at all? You think Mercedes S-class have no issue? You think Infiniti QX60 has no issue?
Your expectations are unrealistic. What happened to your steering in your 2015 MDX sucks, no doubt. But that issue of yours is not frequent nor common. As for your foglights, i just had to laugh on that one...still laughing in fact!
Luxury brand are not supposed to have ANY issue even if that issue is extremely rare??? You think Lexus does not have any issue at all? You think Mercedes S-class have no issue? You think Infiniti QX60 has no issue?
Your expectations are unrealistic. What happened to your steering in your 2015 MDX sucks, no doubt. But that issue of yours is not frequent nor common. As for your foglights, i just had to laugh on that one...still laughing in fact!
02-03-2015, 07:53 PM
#39
I think in real world driving the end-users will get better MPG than EPA for highway. Just need the right condition for the engine to go into 3 cylinders. EPA testing might not reflect this. In 6th gear at XX MPH the engine have enough torque to go into 3 cylinder mode but at 9 speeds it might spin slower and therefore not going to 3 cylinders operation. On the most cars with the new ZF 9 speeds including TLX it will shift into 9 at 65 mph and if EPA testing is done at 55 MPH (i am just guessing dont know if it is true or not) then the 9 speed won't benefit much
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/standards/light-duty/ftp.htm
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/standards/light-duty/ftp.htm
Last edited by xedap1998; 02-03-2015 at 07:58 PM.
02-04-2015, 06:22 AM
#40
Pro
9-speed tranny, since other Acura models are equipped with more than 6-speed. I was surprised that the MDX did not come with that.
As for the '15 that I am currently have, disappointed to be honest with you. I'd expect it to be better since it is the luxury brand after all.
As for the '15 that I am currently have,
disappointed to be honest with you. I'd expect it to be better since it is the luxury brand after all.