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12-02-2008, 11:47 PM
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Dude, you bought your 2008 TSX when you could have gotten a 2009 TSX. Your doing nothing but justifying your purchase to yourself and anyone else you can find.
The way you point to cost-cutting is just ridiculous. The rear deck would be using the same mold whether Acura offered 100 colors or just one. Most luxury cars are getting rid of the touch-screen. Everyone is adapting an intuitive i-drive-like system, even Lexus. Would you really use touch-screen on a TSX considering where the screen is placed?
Stop bickering about the interior materials because you’re the only one doing it. ALL magazines have declared that the 2009 TSX has a higher-quality interior compared to the first gen. Your comments about the interior have no leg to stand on because the entire industry of automotive journalists disagree with you.
What’s wrong with paddles that turn with the wheel? It’s not so you can only use to shift while going in a straight line. Have you ever heard of shifting mid-turn? FYI, your hands are not at the 10 and 2 position on the wheel when you are making a turn (where the paddles would be if they were not connected to the wheel). Have you ever tried to make a turn and move your hand off the wheel to find the paddle-shifter in the middle of the turn just so you can shift?
There is no leather/vinyl boot-type of design on the parking break anymore, but it still is wrapped in leather/vinyl on the bottom where a boot would be. It’s just a different design.
So again, your opions about the TSX’s interiors contradict what the professional journalists have ALL been saying. Nobody is asking you to change your opinions because clearly you are convincing yourself to believe something for your own personal benefit. However, when your opinion is contradicting that of the rest of the worlds, the people here will continue to dismiss what you have to say.
I don’t think many people here have found you very helpful at all but instead rather annoying. If we all take a vote to see how many people in the 2nd gen forums would like you to continue posting in this area versus have you discontinue your posting here, would you agree to stop posting in the 2nd gen forums if the vote results dictated so? After all, if you said you’re here to help and the majority vote that they don’t want your help, wouldn’t it only be fair that you leave? Think about it.
The way you point to cost-cutting is just ridiculous. The rear deck would be using the same mold whether Acura offered 100 colors or just one. Most luxury cars are getting rid of the touch-screen. Everyone is adapting an intuitive i-drive-like system, even Lexus. Would you really use touch-screen on a TSX considering where the screen is placed?
Stop bickering about the interior materials because you’re the only one doing it. ALL magazines have declared that the 2009 TSX has a higher-quality interior compared to the first gen. Your comments about the interior have no leg to stand on because the entire industry of automotive journalists disagree with you.
What’s wrong with paddles that turn with the wheel? It’s not so you can only use to shift while going in a straight line. Have you ever heard of shifting mid-turn? FYI, your hands are not at the 10 and 2 position on the wheel when you are making a turn (where the paddles would be if they were not connected to the wheel). Have you ever tried to make a turn and move your hand off the wheel to find the paddle-shifter in the middle of the turn just so you can shift?
There is no leather/vinyl boot-type of design on the parking break anymore, but it still is wrapped in leather/vinyl on the bottom where a boot would be. It’s just a different design.
So again, your opions about the TSX’s interiors contradict what the professional journalists have ALL been saying. Nobody is asking you to change your opinions because clearly you are convincing yourself to believe something for your own personal benefit. However, when your opinion is contradicting that of the rest of the worlds, the people here will continue to dismiss what you have to say.
I don’t think many people here have found you very helpful at all but instead rather annoying. If we all take a vote to see how many people in the 2nd gen forums would like you to continue posting in this area versus have you discontinue your posting here, would you agree to stop posting in the 2nd gen forums if the vote results dictated so? After all, if you said you’re here to help and the majority vote that they don’t want your help, wouldn’t it only be fair that you leave? Think about it.
are you actually serious?
really?
the 09 TSX was out in December of 07?
really?
could have fooled me.
again, you are lying.
no, not everyone is getting rid of touch screens.
my Infiniti has the screen up high, and has the button to control
it, but it is also a touch screen. and nothing has changed for 09
in that respect either.
again you are wrong about ALL magazines and the new interior.
it was from magazine reviews that I first read of the lower quality
materials, especially the interior door handles were pointed out in the review.
before I even ever went to see the car for myself.
if you care to remember, almost ALL of the initial reviews of the TSX
were poor and shed it in a poor light.
guess you missed out on that huh?
how do you shift mid turn with the paddles on the bottom of the
wheel huh?
how come in my Infiniti the paddles are not connected to the wheel?
how come they are connected to the pod, where they stay put when
the wheel turns where they can be reached?
are your hands supposed to move the the bottom of the wheel when
turning?
of course I will not stop posting because you or anyone else says to.
who are you? the internet police?
get over yourself.
and I never said that I was here to be helpful.
I said that many of my posts have been such.
a complete contradiction to your blatent lies.
why don't read the title of this thread again. then tell me who's comments
are not in line with the OP.
12-03-2008, 12:21 AM
#42
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are you actually serious?
really?
the 09 TSX was out in December of 07?
really?
could have fooled me.
again, you are lying.
no, not everyone is getting rid of touch screens.
my Infiniti has the screen up high, and has the button to control
it, but it is also a touch screen. and nothing has changed for 09
in that respect either.
again you are wrong about ALL magazines and the new interior.
it was from magazine reviews that I first read of the lower quality
materials, especially the interior door handles were pointed out in the review.
before I even ever went to see the car for myself.
if you care to remember, almost ALL of the initial reviews of the TSX
were poor and shed it in a poor light.
guess you missed out on that huh?
how do you shift mid turn with the paddles on the bottom of the
wheel huh?
how come in my Infiniti the paddles are not connected to the wheel?
how come they are connected to the pod, where they stay put when
the wheel turns where they can be reached?
are your hands supposed to move the the bottom of the wheel when
turning?
of course I will not stop posting because you or anyone else says to.
who are you? the internet police?
get over yourself.
and I never said that I was here to be helpful.
I said that many of my posts have been such.
a complete contradiction to your blatent lies.
why don't read the title of this thread again. then tell me who's comments
are not in line with the OP.
really?
the 09 TSX was out in December of 07?
really?
could have fooled me.
again, you are lying.
no, not everyone is getting rid of touch screens.
my Infiniti has the screen up high, and has the button to control
it, but it is also a touch screen. and nothing has changed for 09
in that respect either.
again you are wrong about ALL magazines and the new interior.
it was from magazine reviews that I first read of the lower quality
materials, especially the interior door handles were pointed out in the review.
before I even ever went to see the car for myself.
if you care to remember, almost ALL of the initial reviews of the TSX
were poor and shed it in a poor light.
guess you missed out on that huh?
how do you shift mid turn with the paddles on the bottom of the
wheel huh?
how come in my Infiniti the paddles are not connected to the wheel?
how come they are connected to the pod, where they stay put when
the wheel turns where they can be reached?
are your hands supposed to move the the bottom of the wheel when
turning?
of course I will not stop posting because you or anyone else says to.
who are you? the internet police?
get over yourself.
and I never said that I was here to be helpful.
I said that many of my posts have been such.
a complete contradiction to your blatent lies.
why don't read the title of this thread again. then tell me who's comments
are not in line with the OP.
I never said everyone is getting rid of touch screens. Again, please stop putting words in my mouth. However, the MAJORITY of luxury car manufacturers are going to an i-drive system. Again, would you use touch screen on a 2009 TSX considering where the screen is placed?
LOL! So now where talking about the door handles, huh? What’s next, the rubber used on the underside of the floor mats are of lesser quality now too? The point is that the 2nd generation interior is rated as being OVERALL in a higher class than the 1st generation. I didn’t miss anything about the initial reviews of the TSX. The only thing that I saw that was “poor” was the disappointment in the lack of MAJOR performance upgrades. The 2nd gen has proven to be better than the 1st gen in almost every aspect. However, the improvements are not as significant as most people were hoping. Again, yes, everything is better, but not by as big of a margin as everyone wanted.
If your hands are on the wheel and you are in mid-turn, are your hands at the 10 and two position or are they in the 11-12 and 5-6 or 12-1 and 6-7 position? You don’t have to move your hands to the bottom of the wheel to shift because your hands are already there right in line with the paddles when you are in a turn! If your turning your wheel half way to the left or right and you need to shift in the middle of a turn, is it easier to shift when the paddles are right at your hands with the wheel or would your rather have to reach for your paddles that are stationary on the pod?
If your not here to help, then what are you here for? I know you said you think your posts are helpful, so that’s why I want to take a vote to see if everyone else sees it the same way you do.
I have more people here agreeing with me than there are with you. I will let you do the math.
12-03-2008, 12:24 AM
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MMsTSX offers his personal opinion based on his own research and thats all. You don't need to get all worked over it (even if I did in the past). Some people find it helpful and others don't. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if you don't agree with it, then just ignore his post and move on.
12-03-2008, 12:35 AM
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or better yet if you don't care for anything I have to type, put me on
your ignore list.
that is what they are for.
nobody forces you to read anything on the internet.
you have your own control on what is visible and what is not.
there is no need for personal attacks and lies, ..., seriously.
if you need help on how to add someone to your ignore list, pm me,
I would be glad to explain how it works.
your ignore list.
that is what they are for.
nobody forces you to read anything on the internet.
you have your own control on what is visible and what is not.
there is no need for personal attacks and lies, ..., seriously.
if you need help on how to add someone to your ignore list, pm me,
I would be glad to explain how it works.
12-03-2008, 12:40 AM
#45
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MMsTSX offers his personal opinion based on his own research and thats all. You don't need to get all worked over it (even if I did in the past). Some people find it helpful and others don't. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if you don't agree with it, then just ignore his post and move on.
12-03-2008, 12:42 AM
#46
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or better yet if you don't care for anything I have to type, put me on
your ignore list.
that is what they are for.
nobody forces you to read anything on the internet.
you have your own control on what is visible and what is not.
there is no need for personal attacks and lies, ..., seriously.
if you need help on how to add someone to your ignore list, pm me,
I would be glad to explain how it works.
your ignore list.
that is what they are for.
nobody forces you to read anything on the internet.
you have your own control on what is visible and what is not.
there is no need for personal attacks and lies, ..., seriously.
if you need help on how to add someone to your ignore list, pm me,
I would be glad to explain how it works.
If I put you on ignore, then I wouldn't be able to respond to your blatant posts and correct you.
Your lack of a true response to my last post to you clearly shows where you stand: no where.
12-03-2008, 01:17 AM
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When did I say the 2009 TSX was out in December of 2007? Please stop putting words in my mouth. I know you bought your TSX right around the time the 2009 was released, but forgive me for not predicting the EXACT time you got it. It does at least further support my theory that you’re just trying to justify your purchase to yourself.
I never said everyone is getting rid of touch screens. Again, please stop putting words in my mouth. However, the MAJORITY of luxury car manufacturers are going to an i-drive system. Again, would you use touch screen on a 2009 TSX considering where the screen is placed?
LOL! So now where talking about the door handles, huh? What’s next, the rubber used on the underside of the floor mats are of lesser quality now too? The point is that the 2nd generation interior is rated as being OVERALL in a higher class than the 1st generation. I didn’t miss anything about the initial reviews of the TSX. The only thing that I saw that was “poor” was the disappointment in the lack of MAJOR performance upgrades. The 2nd gen has proven to be better than the 1st gen in almost every aspect. However, the improvements are not as significant as most people were hoping. Again, yes, everything is better, but not by as big of a margin as everyone wanted.
If your hands are on the wheel and you are in mid-turn, are your hands at the 10 and two position or are they in the 11-12 and 5-6 or 12-1 and 6-7 position? You don’t have to move your hands to the bottom of the wheel to shift because your hands are already there right in line with the paddles when you are in a turn! If your turning your wheel half way to the left or right and you need to shift in the middle of a turn, is it easier to shift when the paddles are right at your hands with the wheel or would your rather have to reach for your paddles that are stationary on the pod?
If your not here to help, then what are you here for? I know you said you think your posts are helpful, so that’s why I want to take a vote to see if everyone else sees it the same way you do.
I have more people here agreeing with me than there are with you. I will let you do the math.
I never said everyone is getting rid of touch screens. Again, please stop putting words in my mouth. However, the MAJORITY of luxury car manufacturers are going to an i-drive system. Again, would you use touch screen on a 2009 TSX considering where the screen is placed?
LOL! So now where talking about the door handles, huh? What’s next, the rubber used on the underside of the floor mats are of lesser quality now too? The point is that the 2nd generation interior is rated as being OVERALL in a higher class than the 1st generation. I didn’t miss anything about the initial reviews of the TSX. The only thing that I saw that was “poor” was the disappointment in the lack of MAJOR performance upgrades. The 2nd gen has proven to be better than the 1st gen in almost every aspect. However, the improvements are not as significant as most people were hoping. Again, yes, everything is better, but not by as big of a margin as everyone wanted.
If your hands are on the wheel and you are in mid-turn, are your hands at the 10 and two position or are they in the 11-12 and 5-6 or 12-1 and 6-7 position? You don’t have to move your hands to the bottom of the wheel to shift because your hands are already there right in line with the paddles when you are in a turn! If your turning your wheel half way to the left or right and you need to shift in the middle of a turn, is it easier to shift when the paddles are right at your hands with the wheel or would your rather have to reach for your paddles that are stationary on the pod?
If your not here to help, then what are you here for? I know you said you think your posts are helpful, so that’s why I want to take a vote to see if everyone else sees it the same way you do.
I have more people here agreeing with me than there are with you. I will let you do the math.
when did you say that?
when you said I bought a 2008 when I could have bought a 2009.
I bought my 2008 in December of 2007, no 2009 was available.
that's when.
I even went as far as not putting a single mod on my 2008 for a full
5 months awaiting the 2009 to come out for a possible trade in.
but then I decided I would just buy both and give one to the wife.
but instead of buying the 09 TSX in May, I bought the G instead.
so yes, of course you are wrong.
and yes you are lying saying I bought the 08 when the 09's were out.
the Infiniti screen is up high and set back like the 09 TSX, and yes
I do use the touch screen.
I'm not going to argue any more crap with you either.
and I could care less what you or anyone else thinks.
seriously.
the new TSX is proven to be better in almost every aspect huh?
well, now you are on ignore, so I don't have to read anymore of your lies.
12-03-2008, 01:19 AM
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MMsTSX is in fact lying. It's a lie to insist that paddle shifters that move with the wheel is inferior quality when it's clearly a matter of preference. It's a lie to insist the plastic is cheaper without having any proof, or that the touch screen was tossed purely for cost cutting reasons.
** An aside; I love how the inital nav warning is confirmed by simply pressing on the joystick - no more looking for the button in the corner of the screen and mashing your finger into it **
MMsTSX says he's just giving an opinion, but he's clearly on the offensive, trying to convince people the new TSX is worse than it really it because he has a personal stake in justifying his decision to not wait a few months for the '09, and that's not fair to the people who browse the forum looking for honest opinions.
** An aside; I love how the inital nav warning is confirmed by simply pressing on the joystick - no more looking for the button in the corner of the screen and mashing your finger into it **
MMsTSX says he's just giving an opinion, but he's clearly on the offensive, trying to convince people the new TSX is worse than it really it because he has a personal stake in justifying his decision to not wait a few months for the '09, and that's not fair to the people who browse the forum looking for honest opinions.
12-03-2008, 01:33 AM
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when did you say that?
when you said I bought a 2008 when I could have bought a 2009.
I bought my 2008 in December of 2007, no 2009 was available.
that's when.
I even went as far as not putting a single mod on my 2008 for a full
5 months awaiting the 2009 to come out for a possible trade in.
but then I decided I would just buy both and give one to the wife.
but instead of buying the 09 TSX in May, I bought the G instead.
when you said I bought a 2008 when I could have bought a 2009.
I bought my 2008 in December of 2007, no 2009 was available.
that's when.
I even went as far as not putting a single mod on my 2008 for a full
5 months awaiting the 2009 to come out for a possible trade in.
but then I decided I would just buy both and give one to the wife.
but instead of buying the 09 TSX in May, I bought the G instead.
12-03-2008, 01:49 AM
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MMsTSX is in fact lying. It's a lie to insist that paddle shifters that move with the wheel is inferior quality when it's clearly a matter of preference. It's a lie to insist the plastic is cheaper without having any proof, or that the touch screen was tossed purely for cost cutting reasons.
** An aside; I love how the inital nav warning is confirmed by simply pressing on the joystick - no more looking for the button in the corner of the screen and mashing your finger into it **
MMsTSX says he's just giving an opinion, but he's clearly on the offensive, trying to convince people the new TSX is worse than it really it because he has a personal stake in justifying his decision to not wait a few months for the '09, and that's not fair to the people who browse the forum looking for honest opinions.
** An aside; I love how the inital nav warning is confirmed by simply pressing on the joystick - no more looking for the button in the corner of the screen and mashing your finger into it **
MMsTSX says he's just giving an opinion, but he's clearly on the offensive, trying to convince people the new TSX is worse than it really it because he has a personal stake in justifying his decision to not wait a few months for the '09, and that's not fair to the people who browse the forum looking for honest opinions.
obviously.
just like everything you counter with is an opinion.
there is no official statement from Acura.
nobody knows any details of the design process and
the reason why certain decisions are made.
all any of us have is our own opinion and interpretation.
I gave my opinion, you then "went on the offensive" and asked
for more of that opinion and clarification of what I meant.
which I gave, as it was asked for.
never once do I ever state that what I think they did this
or that for is a proven fact. that's not me, that's that guy that
I have on ignore and already forgot the screen name...
I am not foolish to the point where I belive I know all the facts,
or any facts for that matter about the inside decision making process
at Acura. and for you to assume so and even state that
I do make personal opinions, but you take them as fact is just, well...
all either or any of us need is a simple KP Technologies module for
the nag screen delete. works on my Infiniti and on my Acura.
You are way off base.
twice here.
where do you guys get off telling me I couldn't wait for a few more months
for the 09 TSX?
I bought my 08 in cash.
I bought my 08 G35s 5 months later in cash.
what makes you think I couldn't afford an 09 TSX when I bought a
more expensive car right after the TSX came out?
huh?
and no, I do not drive the G, my wife does.
just go ahead and read any of my posts that I've ever posted
that will demostrate this to you. I drive the TSX. I won't even
let her drive the TSX. I have a mod list for it that most anyone
would care to have and the car is my project and my joy.
it has shortcomings, like it's interior, but I have the maturity and
the humility to admit that and not get all pissy. It's a TSX. It's not
an expensive car, it's not really all that luxury at all. You've seen it
and said it yourself, even the Accord is more luxurious. the TSX is
not supposed to have some super duper interior or whatever.
I have an opinion that they are cutting some corners on the interior
that they did not cut on the previous gen.
and they also have made some improvements in other areas, such as
the chassis. I consider it a balance. to keep the price the same or
similar in an economy with crazy inflation and uncertainty, a balance
must be achieved. they can't just blow all their money or improvements
and not compensate for that somehow.
so you don't agree.
so what?
so you think the materials are of equal or better quality.
so what is the big deal?
you don't care or you don't agree about the rear deck or door molds.
so what?
I don't care. I'm not convincing anybody of anything.
just calling it like I see it. like I see it, not you or anybody else.
we are entilted to disagree.
we are not entitled to name call, or make up lies or any of that
other personal stuff. it should not apply here.
this thread is about the rear deck and why Acura would even do that.
I think it is a cost issue, along with a few other minor details.
you don't agree.
and the other guy on ignore and several others don't agree.
yet several people do agree.
so what's the big deal huh?
agree to disagree, and move on.
lock this thread and move on.
free of personal attacks and lies.
free of false assumptions too.
thank you and good bye stressful thread.
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12-03-2008, 02:15 AM
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MMsTSX is in fact lying. It's a lie to insist that paddle shifters that move with the wheel is inferior quality when it's clearly a matter of preference. It's a lie to insist the plastic is cheaper without having any proof, or that the touch screen was tossed purely for cost cutting reasons.
** An aside; I love how the inital nav warning is confirmed by simply pressing on the joystick - no more looking for the button in the corner of the screen and mashing your finger into it **
MMsTSX says he's just giving an opinion, but he's clearly on the offensive, trying to convince people the new TSX is worse than it really it because he has a personal stake in justifying his decision to not wait a few months for the '09, and that's not fair to the people who browse the forum looking for honest opinions.
** An aside; I love how the inital nav warning is confirmed by simply pressing on the joystick - no more looking for the button in the corner of the screen and mashing your finger into it **
MMsTSX says he's just giving an opinion, but he's clearly on the offensive, trying to convince people the new TSX is worse than it really it because he has a personal stake in justifying his decision to not wait a few months for the '09, and that's not fair to the people who browse the forum looking for honest opinions.
Talk about being on the offensive...Also, why does he just take everything we say and then turn it right back around and say the same thing right back? Is there no train of thought for him or what?
Oh well, no need to respond to his post seeing as he has me on ignore. Even though he won't be able to see my posts, I will still respond to any future posts of his that are preaching false information so the rest here will get the correct facts. In fact, it's better this way because he won't respond and people will just take that as his admission of fault. Win win!
I'd hate to see what he is saying on the Infiniti forums seeing as he recently bought a 2008 G35 and the newly released 2009 G37 is so much better in almost every aspect.
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12-03-2008, 02:30 AM
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You are way off base.
twice here.
where do you guys get off telling me I couldn't wait for a few more months
for the 09 TSX?
I bought my 08 in cash.
I bought my 08 G35s 5 months later in cash.
what makes you think I couldn't afford an 09 TSX when I bought a
more expensive car right after the TSX came out?
huh?
twice here.
where do you guys get off telling me I couldn't wait for a few more months
for the 09 TSX?
I bought my 08 in cash.
I bought my 08 G35s 5 months later in cash.
what makes you think I couldn't afford an 09 TSX when I bought a
more expensive car right after the TSX came out?
huh?
Good, now you're getting it. Preface your idiotic assertion with a disclaimer of opinion. Although I see you're new to this, we don't say "I have an opinion that..." we say "In my opinion..."
12-03-2008, 02:43 AM
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I love how I asked him a few "hard" questions and then he goes into denial mode by putting me on his ignore list. It's like when you try to explain something to a stubborn mule and all they do is cover their ears and yell BLAH BLAH BLAH while your talking in order to block the truth. Talk about being on the offensive...
Also, why does he just take everything we say and then turn it right back around and say the same thing right back? Is there no train of thought for him or what?
Oh well, no need to respond to his post seeing as he has me on ignore. Even though he won't be able to see my posts, I will still respond to any future posts of his that are preaching false information so the rest here will get the correct facts. In fact, it's better this way because he won't respond and people will just take that as his admission of fault. Win win!
I'd hate to see what he is saying on the Infiniti forums seeing as he recently bought a 2008 G35 and the newly released 2009 G37 is so much better in almost every aspect.
Talk about being on the offensive...Also, why does he just take everything we say and then turn it right back around and say the same thing right back? Is there no train of thought for him or what?
Oh well, no need to respond to his post seeing as he has me on ignore. Even though he won't be able to see my posts, I will still respond to any future posts of his that are preaching false information so the rest here will get the correct facts. In fact, it's better this way because he won't respond and people will just take that as his admission of fault. Win win!
I'd hate to see what he is saying on the Infiniti forums seeing as he recently bought a 2008 G35 and the newly released 2009 G37 is so much better in almost every aspect.
12-03-2008, 08:27 AM
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Touch screen in Second generation does not make sense. As they put the Screen at place where it is pretty much away from Hands reach for touch and it is nice place for eyesight and protective from outside light.
2G TSX has superior comfort, ride, refinement, fuel economy, interior space, aggressive styling, more expensive gaug cluster. 2 G TSX/Euro Accord is universally praised for going up market. It does not stop there. TSX Auto with navigation weigh as much as 3500lbs. So it weighs almost as 6 cylinder Accord but smaller size but still provide superior performance across the board compared to 1G TSX. It is aerodynamically more efficient at higher speeds. There is simply no comparision between the two.
2G TSX has superior comfort, ride, refinement, fuel economy, interior space, aggressive styling, more expensive gaug cluster. 2 G TSX/Euro Accord is universally praised for going up market. It does not stop there. TSX Auto with navigation weigh as much as 3500lbs. So it weighs almost as 6 cylinder Accord but smaller size but still provide superior performance across the board compared to 1G TSX. It is aerodynamically more efficient at higher speeds. There is simply no comparision between the two.
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I don't have a problem with MMsTSX. Although, I might now that he appears to have gone off the wall with my question. I was just curious why he hates the new TSX so much. I understand the importance of discussion; however, it appears that MMsTSX has a personal problem with the new TSX. Out of my personal interest, I was simply asking why he hates it so much. In retrospect, I should have PM'd him.
However, I never said that you, MMsTSX, were lying and to call me a liar is just sort of silly. Being a hater is not the equivalent to lying. I am not sure how you came to that illogical conclusion. It would be like me saying to don't like beans and then you calling me a liar - doesn't make a lot of sense, does it?
Further, I never said that you should silence yourself. Again, it was a simple question, and you seemed to take my question personally and to another illogical conclusion.
I was asking a question why you hate the car so much. Like my previous question asked before, and I only asked a question - I did not call you a liar, nor did I say that you should be silenced, nor did I say that I was offended, nor did I say that I couldn't handle it, nor did I say that this was a "praise the new TSX" forum - I was just wondering why you were hated the car so much and why it seemed to be so personal.
I like that you offer your opinion, and I know others are interested as well. However, after reading some of your posts, it appears to me that sometimes you like to rain on people's parade. You are sometimes Debbie Downer. For example in this thread, https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...724&highlight=
the owner was saying he or she now likes the steering of the new TSX after owning the car for 48 hours. Instead of simply ignoring the thread/post or posting something positive, you had to doubt the new owner's impressions. If you would like people to value your opinions and impressions, perhaps you should also value other people's impressions.
However, I never said that you, MMsTSX, were lying and to call me a liar is just sort of silly. Being a hater is not the equivalent to lying. I am not sure how you came to that illogical conclusion. It would be like me saying to don't like beans and then you calling me a liar - doesn't make a lot of sense, does it?
Further, I never said that you should silence yourself. Again, it was a simple question, and you seemed to take my question personally and to another illogical conclusion.
I was asking a question why you hate the car so much. Like my previous question asked before, and I only asked a question - I did not call you a liar, nor did I say that you should be silenced, nor did I say that I was offended, nor did I say that I couldn't handle it, nor did I say that this was a "praise the new TSX" forum - I was just wondering why you were hated the car so much and why it seemed to be so personal.
I like that you offer your opinion, and I know others are interested as well. However, after reading some of your posts, it appears to me that sometimes you like to rain on people's parade. You are sometimes Debbie Downer. For example in this thread, https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...724&highlight=
the owner was saying he or she now likes the steering of the new TSX after owning the car for 48 hours. Instead of simply ignoring the thread/post or posting something positive, you had to doubt the new owner's impressions. If you would like people to value your opinions and impressions, perhaps you should also value other people's impressions.
12-03-2008, 04:35 PM
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Lol! 
The problem here is that MMsTSX has been consistent in his negative opinions of the 2nd Gen TSX in his many post on the 2nd Gen forum. He seems to be the only one left that constantly rip the 2nd gen TSX on this forum.
MMsTSX, We get it already you really really do not like the 2nd gen TSX. And it's obvious that people on the 2nd Gen forum are getting tired of it. But hey if you're gonna rip the 2nd gen TSX on this forum, you should expect some people to be unhappy and/or tired of it.
As for the rest of us, yeah it's getting old but I chose to ignore his opinions. To each his own.
Btw, IMO the paddle shifters on the steering are just fine. Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Audi, and Acura thinks so too. (note that Infiniti isn't that group)
As for Acura interiors being cheap, the same argument can be made with Nissan/Infiniti. Has anyone seen the "duplicate" interiors in ALL the current Nissan and Infiniti cars?
The problem here is that MMsTSX has been consistent in his negative opinions of the 2nd Gen TSX in his many post on the 2nd Gen forum. He seems to be the only one left that constantly rip the 2nd gen TSX on this forum.
MMsTSX, We get it already you really really do not like the 2nd gen TSX. And it's obvious that people on the 2nd Gen forum are getting tired of it. But hey if you're gonna rip the 2nd gen TSX on this forum, you should expect some people to be unhappy and/or tired of it.
As for the rest of us, yeah it's getting old but I chose to ignore his opinions. To each his own.
Btw, IMO the paddle shifters on the steering are just fine. Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Audi, and Acura thinks so too. (note that Infiniti isn't that group)
As for Acura interiors being cheap, the same argument can be made with Nissan/Infiniti. Has anyone seen the "duplicate" interiors in ALL the current Nissan and Infiniti cars?
12-03-2008, 05:00 PM
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When I first read the specs on the 2G TSX I was disappointed. I test drove it on a whim and it wasn't until then that I really appreciated that most of the improvements aren't the kind of thing they mention on spec sheets, and that the few things they did mention are things I would never have noticed, such as the steel structure or the one or two MPG boost. The spec sheets never mention how much cooler the new gauge cluster is or how nice the surfaces feel.
12-03-2008, 05:37 PM
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WTH happened to my garage
I don't care to engage in a flame war, but I've stated before that for me to go into the 1st gen forum and post incessantly about how much I like my car over a first gen & what a boring POS the 1st gen is, blah blah, would be boorish, to say the least. I would never intentionally e-fart in a room full of people and close the door behind me.
Netiquette would dictate that if we all were sitting in a room together, most of this entire discussion would not have occured.
This convo has even brought me down a level by posting what I did above about the 1st gens. My apologies to the fora in general.
12-03-2008, 06:32 PM
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No matter what was said here, I'ma still going to get my 09 TSX in two weeks! Yay! 0.9% or 2.9% financing! Being offered the car at a few hundred over invoice! Economy FTW!
My RX-8 has paddle shifters that turn with the steering wheel. Although I do wish that the TSX had both (paddles and shifter), I'll learn to deal as the TSX one hella value -love the tech inside! Got me a new 8GB USB flash drive that I cannot wait to use ($399 Fisher Price iPoop's or $14.99 8GB flash drive, tee hee!)
My RX-8 has paddle shifters that turn with the steering wheel. Although I do wish that the TSX had both (paddles and shifter), I'll learn to deal as the TSX one hella value -love the tech inside! Got me a new 8GB USB flash drive that I cannot wait to use ($399 Fisher Price iPoop's or $14.99 8GB flash drive, tee hee!)
12-09-2008, 07:10 PM
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This thread was originally about the back shelf color. Just wanted to let folks know that I was at a dealer today and they had a TSX with ebony interior and the back shelf was BLACK. Is it safe to assume that this was a recently manufactured TSX and that Honda/Acura is now matching the back shelves with the interior colors??
12-10-2008, 01:12 AM
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This thread was originally about the back shelf color. Just wanted to let folks know that I was at a dealer today and they had a TSX with ebony interior and the back shelf was BLACK. Is it safe to assume that this was a recently manufactured TSX and that Honda/Acura is now matching the back shelves with the interior colors??
12-10-2008, 04:19 AM
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This thread was originally about the back shelf color. Just wanted to let folks know that I was at a dealer today and they had a TSX with ebony interior and the back shelf was BLACK. Is it safe to assume that this was a recently manufactured TSX and that Honda/Acura is now matching the back shelves with the interior colors??
12-10-2008, 07:27 AM
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This was yesterday at the Kearny Mesa Acura dealer on the lot closest to the BMW dealership (i.e., not directly in front of the Acura sales office). I was surprised to see it myself, so I checked and rechecked to make sure I wasn't looking at a TL or something else! It was a Vortex Blue Pearl and the back shelf was clearly a factory black, not a dealer change. There was no one around and I was just taking a quick walk through to see the different colors, so I don't have any more info than that. Not sure when I will be able to get back over there, but I'll take a pic when I do.
12-10-2008, 08:24 AM
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The taupe rear parcel shelf was the only thing that kept me from getting the polished metal with ebony. It looked too stupid to overlook in my first walk around of the car. We went with White/parchment which was my wifes first choice and could not be happier. It would not surprise me if they changed to a black rear parcel shelf on the dark cars with dark interior, it just stands out too much. The only other way to solve the problem is to tint it as others have suggested. I'm sorry but my opinion on this one was a cost savings for Acura, not a styling choice by any stretch.
12-11-2008, 02:06 AM
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I had the 2009 TSX as a loaner car for 2 days and I got used to the electric steering.. I think if you've been driving a TSX all along (2004-2008), you just need to give yourself some time and you should get used to it, although it is a little touchy when you start to drive initially. My friend who owns a 3 series didn't like it all..I've noticed 3 series owners don't like Japanese cars in general (of course, there are some exceptions)..
But overall, I think the steering is fine.. and I'm sure they'll keep tuning it for future releases of TSXs.. I think the Lexus IS has a slightly better road feel though as compared to the 2G TSX..
Also, I believe all future cars will adopt electric steerings so it's better to get use to them now!
But overall, I think the steering is fine.. and I'm sure they'll keep tuning it for future releases of TSXs.. I think the Lexus IS has a slightly better road feel though as compared to the 2G TSX..
Also, I believe all future cars will adopt electric steerings so it's better to get use to them now!
12-11-2008, 12:23 PM
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From the Acura IN:
A running change has been made to the 2009 model year TSX. All vehicles produced on or after November 3rd with a black interior will now come with a black rear shelf. The first affected VIN is JH4CU26629C030703.
12-12-2008, 10:26 PM
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WTH happened to my garage
Colin, I luv you man....now I'm gonna have to man up for a new rear shelf.
(Well...it didn't bug me *until* I found out a replacement was available, lol.)
12-16-2008, 06:09 PM
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I went today to Jackson Acura (Alpharetta, GA) to see the new black shelf for myself. In total they had 64 TSX's, 28 of them had ebony interior (only 3 had the new black shelf). It looks much better, especially with black and white exteriors. I wonder how much it will cost to retrofit a new black shelf for those who want it.
12-16-2008, 06:19 PM
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12-16-2008, 07:25 PM
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WTH happened to my garage
12-16-2008, 09:01 PM
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Didn't bother me! My little smiley was just giving her a little lick. Please feel free to send more pics my way.....
12-18-2008, 08:57 PM
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