TSX Sport Wagon In Snow
Coming from an Outback Wagon considering the TSX Sportwagon.
Anyone have any experience with it in the snow. Is it ok without snow tires? Thx |
Mediocre in the snow, you have to be careful at times.
Snow tires make all the difference. My mother had an '06 Outback which I've driven in the snow many times so I can compare :) |
...mediocre compared to an Outback. AWD and ground clearance are in the Subaru's favor.
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Originally Posted by musty hustla
(Post 13967140)
...mediocre compared to an Outback. AWD and ground clearance are in the Subaru's favor.
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
(Post 13967152)
Snow tires make a bigger difference than AWD to be honest. After all, tires help you start, stop and turn.
I agree. Real snow tires even on a RWD car (with some added weight in the trunk for good measure) can be a lot more effective than AWD or FWD with all-season tires. All-season tires are more of a compromise between summer performance stickiness and bad weather traction. We used to call them no-season tires. fwiw, I used to drive an old rusty BMW 1600 (vintage precursor to the current 3-series) in heavy snow country when I was a ski bum. I put on real snow tires and some sand bags in the trunk. Sand bags added weight and traction to the rear (and the sand came in handy if I ever did get stuck.) Only downside of course was the noise and ride quality when the roads were clear. |
Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
(Post 13967152)
Snow tires make a bigger difference than AWD to be honest. After all, tires help you start, stop and turn.
long story short, its not the best, but no where near the worst, just be careful. remember that even if you know you can drive well in the snow, others can't, and they can hit you |
Argued with my coworker a while back who's from Nebraska about fwd winter tires vs awd at tires. Did a lot of reading and car and driver did a really good test. This should answer solve a lot of debate. Skip to page 4 and read the summary if youre lazy.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...price-traction |
Originally Posted by opboarding
(Post 13967319)
This should answer solve a lot of debate. Skip to page 4 and read the summary if youre lazy.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...price-traction http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...mparison-tests |
^ thats interesting ... when i had michelin pilot hx mxm4 on my tl ... my car literally would not move, maybe they are better on the tsx cuz its a lighter car
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I think the HX MXM4 are fine for those living in wet climates (Seattle) or where it might get below freezing sometimes (summer performance tires turn into a greasy hard block of rubber in the cold.) And also in places of occasional snow (like parts of the Southeast and Mid-Atlantic.) But in true snow country, I'd definitely swap them out in the winter for snow tires.
Or do what PyroDave says and stay away from those snow days and wait until it's plowed or melted (like he said, it's other drivers that are the real threat.) When I lived in northern New Mexico, we'd get a big dump once in a while, but the bright sun melted it off the roads the following day. There was no real reason for snow tires unless you're up in the high country all the time. |
p.s., I live in a year around temperate climate and would rather have some stickier tires. I used to use Michelin PS2 almost exclusively but they aren't available in these sizes (and neither are the new Michelin SuperSports that replaced the PS2.)
Tire Rack says the best options are the Bridgestone Potenza RE050A or the Conti ExtremeContact DW. Any opinions with these on the TSX wagon? I'll search here on the forums, but if anybody has gone to a summer performance tire, I'd like to hear what you ended up choosing. Stickiness, road manners, and less noise are the priorities. Thanks. |
Originally Posted by turning japanese
(Post 13969426)
I think the HX MXM4 are fine for those living in wet climates (Seattle) or where it might get below freezing sometimes (summer performance tires turn into a greasy hard block of rubber in the cold.) And also in places of occasional snow (like parts of the Southeast and Mid-Atlantic.) But in true snow country, I'd definitely swap them out in the winter for snow tires.
Or do what PyroDave says and stay away from those snow days and wait until it's plowed or melted (like he said, it's other drivers that are the real threat.) When I lived in northern New Mexico, we'd get a big dump once in a while, but the bright sun melted it off the roads the following day. There was no real reason for snow tires unless you're up in the high country all the time. A quote from the article caught my eye: "Acceleration takes longer, but in an emergency, the handling behavior and improved lateral grip of two-wheel drive and winter tires -- in the slippery stuff -- are the safer bets." For a visual of the differences between the tires, look at these videos. http://www.tirerack.com/videos/index...=91&tab=winter http://www.tirerack.com/videos/index...=26&tab=winter http://www.tirerack.com/videos/index...=23&tab=winter |
Originally Posted by ceb
(Post 13969664)
Agreed, but the use of proper winter tires far outweighs the benefits of AWD (with all season rubber) and you shouldn't be afraid of being getting caught in a freak storm - although the advice of avoiding driving if possible is very wise (how the hell did Pyro come up with that?)
i also said the first thing you said =P 2 wheels making good contact (FWD with winter wheels) is better than 4 wheels making shitty contact (AWD with All seasons) also Conti DW and DWS are some of the most recommended tires on here as all seasons. i like the tread feature with the letters, once the S fades, its only suitable for DW(dry/wet) and then just D(dry) |
Originally Posted by PyroDave
(Post 13970077)
also Conti DW and DWS are some of the most recommended tires on here as all seasons. i like the tread feature with the letters, once the S fades, its only suitable for DW(dry/wet) and then just D(dry) The DW competes with the Michelin PS2 and the new Michelin Pilot SS, and Conti's own ContiSportContact series. I'm looking for a max performance summer tire to run year around on a TSX wagon (no winter here.) |
Originally Posted by turning japanese
(Post 13970168)
Conti Extreme Contact DW (the ones I mentioned) and Conti Extreme Contact DWS are two very different tires. The DW is a max performance summer tire and the DWS is a performance all-season.
The DW competes with the Michelin PS2 and the new Michelin Pilot SS, and Conti's own ContiSportContact series. I'm looking for a max performance summer tire to run year around on a TSX wagon (no winter here.) I've not had the Conti DW on the TSX, but I did replace the PS2s that I had on the R32 with the DW. The DW had a similar driving characteristics of the PS2s but had much better tread life and were substantially cheaper. On a related note, the DWS tires are much better than the Michelins that come with the car. |
what about a limited slip? anyone make one? Quaiffe?
and on the snow tire thing....anyone have any SNOW/ICE tire recommendations? |
Originally Posted by robpp
(Post 13970476)
what about a limited slip? anyone make one? Quaiffe?
and on the snow tire thing....anyone have any SNOW/ICE tire recommendations? |
Originally Posted by robpp
(Post 13970476)
what about a limited slip? anyone make one? Quaiffe?
and on the snow tire thing....anyone have any SNOW/ICE tire recommendations? |
Originally Posted by PyroDave
(Post 13970505)
tires for snow and ice? on a FWD TSX? i suggest something with spikes... lmfao
If you want a studdable tire, then buy the least expensive tire that is studdable, like the General AltiMax - a decent winter tire. If you don't want studs, then go for a highly rated winter tire like the ContiWinterExtreme. In a place like Colorado, you'll want the extra winter capabilities over the dry handling of something like the Dunlop 3D. |
Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
(Post 13970508)
Studded snow tires, what else?
Originally Posted by ceb
(Post 13970579)
Don't laugh, studded tires are very common in Colorado.
If you want a studdable tire, then buy the least expensive tire that is studdable, like the General AltiMax - a decent winter tire. |
also, if you dont want studs, blizzaks are an amazing snow tire
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Why no AWD?
God why didn't they make this car with SH AWD? It's such a great car and would give Audi, BMW, Mercedes, and Subaru a run for their money if it was AWD. I'm in Colorado and would own one now if it was AWD. FWD and snow tires are great but so much on steep grades.
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old thread.
But...I always said that they should have made a type S wagon with the 1G RDX drive train. Those K23's could boogey...and SH is nice. Then again...the FWD K24 gets much better MPG..and with snow tyres, the car does fine. Not as well as an AWD car. But fine. |
Ha! Old thread for sure, but it's still being indexed on the interwebs! I'm considering a TSX wagon as a daily driver alternative for my 1988 Land Cruiser. I was curious as to the wagon's performance in the snow and bam - this thread popped up. It just looks like an AWD car. Can't believe they didn't embrace it as an option.
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