Putting an end to the rumors. Questions WILL be answered!
10-14-2009, 01:27 PM
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Putting an end to the rumors. Questions WILL be answered!
Marcus from HeelToe Automotive and I have teamed up to put an end to the rumors and finally confirm whether or not the front brakes on the CU2 are the same as that of the 1st Gen. TSX, beyond just the rotors.
Within the next week or so, I will be test fitting the 1st Gen. TSX Rotora 4-POT 13" front big brake kit on my car CU2 to verify if it is a direct bolt-on or not. Manufacturers have stated that everything is the same between the two generations, but we have yet to see a 2nd Gen. with a BBK installed to actually confirm this. So hopefully their statements hold true and the upcoming install goes smoothly.
Before I decided to just jump into this, I did a little bit of research of my own. I went to my local Acura dealer and was able to get the parts manager to print me off the brake diagrams and part numbers from both the 2008 1st Gen. TSX and the 2009 2nd Gen. TSX:
2008 1st Gen. TSX: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2594/...85cb0152_b.jpg
2009 2nd Gen. TSX: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2489/...fab3a39b_b.jpg
Comparing the 2 diagrams and part numbers, you'll see that based on numbers 7 & 8 from both diagrams, which is the right and left front caliper assemblies, the part numbers from both generations are exactly the same. The rotors on both generations are also both 11.8". The part numbers for the rotors are different, however the parts manager proceeded to tell me that the rotors shown on the 2008 diagram are discontinued and replaced with the ones shown on the 2009 diagram. Lastly, I was allowed into the shop to look over a 1st Gen. that was up on a lift that had just had new wheel bearings installed, and upon close inspection, the entire brake assembly seemed to be an exact match to the 2nd Gen. So given this information, I'm pretty comfortable stating that I believe they are indeed identical and the big brake kit will be a direct and easy bolt-on.
I will be updating this thread with my findings and will post detailed pictures from the install. Assuming the kit bolts up just fine, I'm sure my 19" RonJons will clear the calipers, but for those interested, I'll also test fit the kit to see if the stock 17" wheels clear the brakes as well.
So hopefully all goes well and we'll be able to add a few more aftermarket parts to our CU2's currently short list. I thank Marcus at HeelToe for helping to make this happen as his help and services have been top notch.
Stay tuned!
Within the next week or so, I will be test fitting the 1st Gen. TSX Rotora 4-POT 13" front big brake kit on my car CU2 to verify if it is a direct bolt-on or not. Manufacturers have stated that everything is the same between the two generations, but we have yet to see a 2nd Gen. with a BBK installed to actually confirm this. So hopefully their statements hold true and the upcoming install goes smoothly.
Before I decided to just jump into this, I did a little bit of research of my own. I went to my local Acura dealer and was able to get the parts manager to print me off the brake diagrams and part numbers from both the 2008 1st Gen. TSX and the 2009 2nd Gen. TSX:
2008 1st Gen. TSX: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2594/...85cb0152_b.jpg
2009 2nd Gen. TSX: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2489/...fab3a39b_b.jpg
Comparing the 2 diagrams and part numbers, you'll see that based on numbers 7 & 8 from both diagrams, which is the right and left front caliper assemblies, the part numbers from both generations are exactly the same. The rotors on both generations are also both 11.8". The part numbers for the rotors are different, however the parts manager proceeded to tell me that the rotors shown on the 2008 diagram are discontinued and replaced with the ones shown on the 2009 diagram. Lastly, I was allowed into the shop to look over a 1st Gen. that was up on a lift that had just had new wheel bearings installed, and upon close inspection, the entire brake assembly seemed to be an exact match to the 2nd Gen. So given this information, I'm pretty comfortable stating that I believe they are indeed identical and the big brake kit will be a direct and easy bolt-on.
I will be updating this thread with my findings and will post detailed pictures from the install. Assuming the kit bolts up just fine, I'm sure my 19" RonJons will clear the calipers, but for those interested, I'll also test fit the kit to see if the stock 17" wheels clear the brakes as well.
So hopefully all goes well and we'll be able to add a few more aftermarket parts to our CU2's currently short list. I thank Marcus at HeelToe for helping to make this happen as his help and services have been top notch.
Stay tuned!
10-14-2009, 01:47 PM
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So that's what you were being so secretive about!!
10-14-2009, 01:54 PM
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Oh, and DerwoodEE, if you're interested in doing more research, I've found the Honda e-store to be a useful resource. If you go to their parts area, you can view a bunch of diagrams for various parts. For example, here's the diagram for the brake you posted on flickr:
http://estore.honda.com/epc/images/p...TL24B2200A.png
Looking forward to seeing the BBK!
http://estore.honda.com/epc/images/p...TL24B2200A.png
Looking forward to seeing the BBK!
10-14-2009, 01:59 PM
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Oh, and DerwoodEE, if you're interested in doing more research, I've found the Honda e-store to be a useful resource. If you go to their parts area, you can view a bunch of diagrams for various parts. For example, here's the diagram for the brake you posted on flickr:
http://estore.honda.com/epc/images/p...TL24B2200A.png
Looking forward to seeing the BBK!
http://estore.honda.com/epc/images/p...TL24B2200A.png
Looking forward to seeing the BBK!
10-14-2009, 02:43 PM
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I will come back to this thread often. Good luck Darren
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10-14-2009, 11:52 PM
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Kinda shocking to me to see that it costs only $20 for a set (for the stock calipers I mean).
Thanks for being a CU2 mods pioneer, I'm excited to see the results of the test fit.
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10-15-2009, 10:27 AM
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1g TSX has no rear upgrade anyway. The caliper design prevents upgrading to new calipers so the only kit is the $3000+ Stoptech rear kit that runs a dual caliper.
edit: The 09 TSX has the same rear design...
See the cross on the caliper piston?
It means than changing the caliper will eliminate the e-brake!
edit: The 09 TSX has the same rear design...
See the cross on the caliper piston?
It means than changing the caliper will eliminate the e-brake!
10-15-2009, 02:34 PM
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$1600 US. Damn that's a lot of cash for breaks. Someone please sell me on the idea because I'd love to have them but...I'm thinking that cross drilled slotted rotors for anything other then track applications become a looks thing.
I don't want to crumble the cookie but has anyone else heard of them having some 'issues' due to the falling economy? Confirm/Deny. Anyone?
I don't want to crumble the cookie but has anyone else heard of them having some 'issues' due to the falling economy? Confirm/Deny. Anyone?
10-15-2009, 03:09 PM
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$1300 is not bad consider you can pay $500 for a regular brake pads and rotor replacement at the dealer. Instead, you get 4-POT 13" slotted/crossdrilled rotor and performance pads versus stock 2-POT 11.8" vented rotor and stock pads.
I will wait and see how Darren project turns out. My rear brakes has been replaced at 33,000km and my front will be due for replacement next spring.
I will wait and see how Darren project turns out. My rear brakes has been replaced at 33,000km and my front will be due for replacement next spring.
10-15-2009, 06:03 PM
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$1600 US. Damn that's a lot of cash for breaks. Someone please sell me on the idea because I'd love to have them but...I'm thinking that cross drilled slotted rotors for anything other then track applications become a looks thing.
I don't want to crumble the cookie but has anyone else heard of them having some 'issues' due to the falling economy? Confirm/Deny. Anyone?
I don't want to crumble the cookie but has anyone else heard of them having some 'issues' due to the falling economy? Confirm/Deny. Anyone?
"Why bother putting an intake on a car that's not used for track applications?"
It's just another way to enhance an aspect of your car above the stock capabilities (while lookin damn cool too LOL). I had big brakes on one of my old vehicles that was heavily modified and it was by far my favorite mod of everything I had done. I was eager to eventually put a kit on this car. If you enjoy some moderately spirited driving from time to time, having an asset like big brakes really makes a huge difference.
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10-15-2009, 10:33 PM
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WTH happened to my garage
Can I get a hail yeah? I'd have a lot more fun in my car with a BBK. I think the stocks are horridly undersized for the car. Big wheels just exacerbate the problem functionally and visually.
All the typical mods we all do are well & good, but the 'big pimp factor' of Rotoras, Stop Tech or Brembo's is exactly as Derwood described. Plus, for those with a "money mama don't know about fund", better brakes make for a safer ride and ergo hard to argue about. =)
All the typical mods we all do are well & good, but the 'big pimp factor' of Rotoras, Stop Tech or Brembo's is exactly as Derwood described. Plus, for those with a "money mama don't know about fund", better brakes make for a safer ride and ergo hard to argue about. =)
10-15-2009, 10:42 PM
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Hopefully the kit arrives next week before the weekend. Plans are to "install" it next week Friday or Saturday night. I'm done saying "test fit" as I'm quite sure this will bolt up without any issues.
10-15-2009, 11:05 PM
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I haven't read this whole thread yet but I was going to buy the STOPTECH BBK's for our cars but they're only fronts, and I want matching rear rotors at least.. Hard to find. I'm gonna go back and read this thread tomorrow or another day lol.. I have so little time between work and coaching jeesh 
But yeah I couldn't bring myself to part with $1800 just for front brakes.
But yeah I couldn't bring myself to part with $1800 just for front brakes.
10-15-2009, 11:14 PM
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Mer I meant matching rear calipers. and the rotors would be slotted, there is no real reason for drilled, they're not track legal and have no real benefit i hear, just lead to more cracking lol not interested in that! You can however buy the STOPTECH BBK's with matching rear rotors they'd just be the stock size, and I was told you can do a bolt on switch with the TL rotors.. but I wouldn't quote me on that one my source was other then reliable.
For the money it seems like a good investment if I already had a set of winter wheels, but unfortunately the BBK won't fit behind the stock wheel, and I don't got the $1800 for brakes and another $1000 for a set of winter wheels to clear the brakes.
However I have printed out the sizing chart and they BBK's do fit behind the +32 off set wheel.. hmph Eager to see what ya find out there Darren.
I think brakes alone will make the cu2 look incredible, especially behind a good looking wheel I.E. +32 or 48 rj legends :-P
For the money it seems like a good investment if I already had a set of winter wheels, but unfortunately the BBK won't fit behind the stock wheel, and I don't got the $1800 for brakes and another $1000 for a set of winter wheels to clear the brakes.
However I have printed out the sizing chart and they BBK's do fit behind the +32 off set wheel.. hmph Eager to see what ya find out there Darren.
I think brakes alone will make the cu2 look incredible, especially behind a good looking wheel I.E. +32 or 48 rj legends :-P
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10-16-2009, 02:35 PM
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Hey Darren,
Ok I'm still new to all of this so I apologize if this is a stupid question; but does the factory ABS still function if you install a BBK?
No matter what I'm certain this will look totally cool, I want document the process, see the pics etc.
Ok I'm still new to all of this so I apologize if this is a stupid question; but does the factory ABS still function if you install a BBK?
No matter what I'm certain this will look totally cool, I want document the process, see the pics etc.
10-16-2009, 04:40 PM
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You can usually get just slotted or cross-drilled and slotted. But on a daily driven car, you won't really ever have to worry about cracking. You're not going to see the heat buildup to promote cracking unless it happens by fluke. But drilled rotors help dissipate heat, water, and gas better than non-drilled.
10-16-2009, 04:42 PM
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This is probably a good question for Marcus to answer.
10-17-2009, 12:19 AM
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10-17-2009, 12:23 PM
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not an SUV ...a Big Hatch
yeah, i'm just browsing for options since not too much is made for the RDX... I think Rotora actually has a BBK for me, so that's good to hear that the ABS remains.
I'm curious how much caliper clearance you guys will end up with in relation to the wheel offset.
I'm curious how much caliper clearance you guys will end up with in relation to the wheel offset.
10-21-2009, 07:34 AM
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UPS tracking says the kit will be here tomorrow! Hopefully the brake fluid I ordered arrives by Friday so I can get it all installed this weekend.