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Old 01-28-2008, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TSXinTN
I'm hoping for a V-6, SH-AWD Type-S for MY 2010. I have been pricing alternative replacement vehicles and I am not real thrilled about dropping $50K on a 335i or $43K on a G37. My choices in 2009 look to be a two year old 335i, a one year old G37 or a brand new TSX all selling for low - mid 30s.

That is what sets Acura apart...affordability.
Amen. V6 & sh-awd. All I need. That and a few luxury features like true keyless entry is all I need!

BTW you can get a new 08 G35 Sedan for about 36k. (Journey w/ Premium and Nav) At least in LA you can.
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Originally Posted by finalheaven
BTW you can get a new 08 G35 Sedan for about 36k. (Journey w/ Premium and Nav) At least in LA you can.
I built a Journey coupe. $43K and change.
Maybe I should look at the sedan...
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Originally Posted by TSXinTN
I built a Journey coupe. $43K and change.
Maybe I should look at the sedan...
MRSP will be abour 37.4k However the people who actually knows how to negotiate has been getting 1.5-2k off which is why i said 36k. Email many of the dealerships around your area (the internet division - which likes to sell cars in quantity to make money, rather then individual dealers who make commission off only a few), and can ask if they can beat the 36.5k someone else offered. This is only in CA as far as I know and can't confirm these prices in another areas. But getting 36k here is not uncommon.

BTW, it is rumored the 3.7 liter engine will be moving to the sedan as well. May explain the nice discount off mrsp. There may possibly be a 2009/10 G37 Sedan.

P.S. If you like the G35 Sedan, wait for the new Acura TL [300hp+ with sh-awd - heavily rumored but not confirmed]. Most likely around the same price range as well.
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2009 Diesel TSX

Does anyone think there's a chance we'll see the diesel with the 6MT?
Old 01-28-2008, 04:29 PM
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Great point. One of the BIG issues I was posting on V-TEC: lack of strong marketing. Nothing memorable as far as the commercials go. If you visit other online forums for cars, our products are looked down up from the majority of the public in terms or perception. Upscale Honda is all I ever see. Now take that and apply it to Lexus, which shares a common design theme across the board from Camry to LS460, and it just shows you how the Marketing Machine that is the YODA fools the general public into thinking that they are seperated and far superior. Look at a Camry and the flagship LS460: their bodies have almost the same exact styling cues. Consumer Reports just released their study showing BRAND AWARENESS from Joe Public and ACURA ranked last as far as upscale brands goes. With some very good products and even better ones on the way, Acura should really seize this moment and do whatever it takes to build this brand image. Outspend the others to get your products in the face of the general public. The buyers will come if you just show them what kind of WORLD-CLASS cars we make and sell.

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I completely agree, on the interactive network, acura had a survey on how introduce the new TSX. But I doubt they will listen to any of us. We just flew down to Louiville to buy the Honda rep's cars last week( I'm PA). Is your market any better than ours?
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Originally Posted by acurasales1
I completely agree, on the interactive network, acura had a survey on how introduce the new TSX. But I doubt they will listen to any of us. We just flew down to Louiville to buy the Honda rep's cars last week( I'm PA). Is your market any better than ours?

What kind of options did they give you, and how did you personally want it to be introduced?
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http://www.motorauthority.com/news/s...uro-acura-tsx/

anyone saw these spy shots before?

Are those really LED taillights?
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Originally Posted by human668
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/s...uro-acura-tsx/

anyone saw these spy shots before?

Are those really LED taillights?
Maybe that's the TL? and they made a mistake?

They don't have blinkers in the side mirrors either.
Old 01-28-2008, 05:20 PM
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That's possible. Those photos look different from those taken in Ohio.

Or maybe this time, TSX will be more different from Honda Accord ( non-USDM).
Old 01-28-2008, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by human668
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/s...uro-acura-tsx/

anyone saw these spy shots before?

Are those really LED taillights?

Yup those are quite old. I think they were posted earlier in this thread.

Those do appear to be LED tail lights.
Old 01-28-2008, 05:23 PM
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Look at those LED lights, high mounted third light, and mufflers...looks pretty aggressive. May be the TL instead?
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Those were posted on vtec.net months ago, it's the TL.
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Those lights look great. If the new TL will have it, I don't feel it will be on the TSX, at least the first year. Well... no prove... no extra information... it's just my feeling that Acura must to have something that make the TL to be upper class than TSX.
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Originally Posted by Flounder
How much mpg do you think it'll get on the Tsx? How will the mpg compare to the current '08 NA engine?
Your guess is as good as mine. I would figure that you would pick up 4-7MPG just off the aerodynamic advantage. If it were the K23 without SH-AWD, you could be even better due to a more effecient driveline. I have a decent grasp of automobile aerodynamics, but at this point the F1 teams aren't bidding on my services .
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Originally Posted by black label
Your guess is as good as mine. I would figure that you would pick up 4-7MPG just off the aerodynamic advantage. If it were the K23 without SH-AWD, you could be even better due to a more effecient driveline. I have a decent grasp of automobile aerodynamics, but at this point the F1 teams aren't bidding on my services .
I guessed 18/28 even with the SH-AWD factor & the K23T, but a lot of people are saying that this combination won't happen. Although I am hoping this goes against what others are saying so Acura truly becomes a true sport luxury division it was meant to be.
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question any body could tell me?

i have heard TSX is coming out on april. and the base might be k23 turbo used in RDX. well...i have heard different things from different source.

so, i have a few question to ask:

1. is the base model using K23 found in RDX? the type -s using V6?
2. are they going to use advanced VTEC, even the egine might be K23 turbo?
3. how much is the car gonna cost?
3. is the gas milage gonna be improved ?
4. gasoline vs diesel , which one is better based on price and efficiency and other etc...?
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boy1pow, go back a "few" pages & you'll find the answer.
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ok , found that TSX is going to be 30 hp more than the current one and FWD. but im still not sure if they are using advanced VTEC on the k23 turbo?
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Originally Posted by archknight
Those were posted on vtec.net months ago, it's the TL.

Looking at the Sport 4 concept and at the spy shots of the TL, it seems to me that the TL will be much more similar in the front to this concpet that the next TSX...
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Originally Posted by boy1pow
ok , found that TSX is going to be 30 hp more than the current one and FWD. but im still not sure if they are using advanced VTEC on the k23 turbo?
it sound just crazy TSX suddenly add 30 extra horsepower. its gonna be a attractive car if it come out also look good.
Old 01-29-2008, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by acurasales1
I also sell acura's for a fairly big organization. We have heard all the same info, and I agree, the market may be slow but we are selling OLD inventory with outdated body styles, we need these new cars NOW. Also have your reps told you they have boosted advertising? ecuse I have seen not a single advertisment, and if you do they are forgetable. What state do you sell in?

None, but until you can prove it it is all rumors. Show me a paper that can back up your claims.

Not trying to say you guys are liars but at any given moment all your info can change, get it?
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Business is pretty good here with the exception of this month. I took S.P.O.T.Y. honors here so I really have nothing to complain about from the sales side. If anyone has visited AUTOSPIES today, you'll notice the lead story is of the RL debuting in Chicago just like I mentioned a few days ago on this same thread. But as you will notice the picture from the lead story is that of none other (you guessed it) the Sport4 concept. Acura has a serious issue of not listening to it's fan base and building the cars we would love to see built (re: HSC concept, sport4 concept). The new TSX has no chance of staying true to that concept whereas it is a much smaller car than what is expected to be released (close to the size of the current TL). And if your read the comments regarding that picture of the Sport4, the VAST MAJORITY like that design. At least the news is starting to build interest in OTHER FORUMS NOT related to Honda/Acura products. We need spy photos or real information about these cars NOW to really pique the interests of the car enthusiasts. Average Joe doesn't car about products until it's time to go shopping for one. CAR ENTHUSIASTS will wait until a car they like is built and then purchase (re: 1-series fans). So leaking information is only a good thing to bring in the true car fans. Now let's see one undisguised. But once again, all we can do is wait......and wait......

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None, but until you can prove it it is all rumors. Show me a paper that can back up your claims.

Not trying to say you guys are liars but at any given moment all your info can change, get it?
I appreciate your opinion. But my information comes directly from my Acura Reps, and the Acura Interactive Network.

I am only passing info along.
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Dont' worry SALES1, there are always a few idiots in the crowd. The information that you and I received is geniune. We told all of you the RL was coming for Chicago and low and behold. The information we are passing along comes from the people that want us to tell this information. We need to generate excitement about our cars and this is the way to do it. Pass along information straight from the top. If they are lying to us, then so be it, but why would they. They know we can't wait to see and drive these cars and as soon as we do, you guys will be the first to know our impressions.

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If they want to generate some buzz, they should release some official press releases (so we know for fact the info is genuine) and some more spy shots of the actual cars. It's not rocket science!

Don't get us wrong, we appreciate the info, but until it's straight from Honda in a press release, it's hard to take it 100% seriously. Without real proof, everything is speculation.
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What is this? TL? TSX? other? It kinda looks like a Civic but a bit larger. Could this be the very first leaked pic? I kinda hope not. Sorry it's so small but it's the only one I could find.

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lol ... isn't that the Acura CSX (and JDM Civic) ?
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Yep, CSX is sold in Canada. Still no TSX pics! Lol. I really wish they'd release just one teaser pic.
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Originally Posted by LuvMyTSX
Yep, CSX is sold in Canada. Still no TSX pics! Lol. I really wish they'd release just one teaser pic.
Seriously! Do they really think this delay and wait is going to help their cause? Well, if the car is what we all hope for, then maybe but otherwise, I highly doubt it.

Sorry about the CSX. I didn't even know that existed. What a tease!
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Originally Posted by boy1pow
i have heard TSX is coming out on april. and the base might be k23 turbo used in RDX. well...i have heard different things from different source.

so, i have a few question to ask:

1. is the base model using K23 found in RDX? the type -s using V6?
2. are they going to use advanced VTEC, even the egine might be K23 turbo?
3. how much is the car gonna cost?
3. is the gas milage gonna be improved ?
4. gasoline vs diesel , which one is better based on price and efficiency and other etc...?

Nobody here has the answers to those questions. Its all speculation at this point.
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Originally Posted by LuvMyTSX
I really wish they'd release just one teaser pic.

Do you really think it will look much different than the Euro Accord we've already seen? Besides the grill and maybe a few trim pieces I'm willing to bet thats it.
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Do you really think it will look much different than the Euro Accord we've already seen? Besides the grill and maybe a few trim pieces I'm willing to bet thats it.
I'd really like to a see a side profile and something of the rear end, since we've only seen a glimpse of tail lights on a wagon. Obviously a sedan's rear would look quite different, and I want to see it, dammit!
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If Acura's plans are to go global by 2010, then the EuroAccord should look nothing like the TSX. I for one thought the TSX should have been the Sport4 all along with a coupe version released along side. Acura/Honda have generated good buzz among the community with only 2 concepts in recent years. The HSC and the Sport4. Advanced sedan concept: flop. Advanced Sport concept: flop. Hell, even the MDX concept didn't generate positive response, but the production version is a GREAT car. The new design studio for Acura EXCLUSIVE products had better step it up.

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^ That's what I thought as well, but I'm starting to doubt that we'll get the sports4.
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Originally Posted by jcsell
If Acura's plans are to go global by 2010, then the EuroAccord should look nothing like the TSX. I for one thought the TSX should have been the Sport4 all along with a coupe version released along side. Acura/Honda have generated good buzz among the community with only 2 concepts in recent years. The HSC and the Sport4. Advanced sedan concept: flop. Advanced Sport concept: flop. Hell, even the MDX concept didn't generate positive response, but the production version is a GREAT car. The new design studio for Acura EXCLUSIVE products had better step it up.

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AND PLEASE BRING A DECENT WHEEL DESIGNER STAT!!!!!
I believe they will be the same car. IMO, the front of the spy shot TSX is identical detail for detail to the Accord Tourer teaser shots except that the spied TSX has a new Acura style grill. Even the wheel are the same. The only thing left to guess about is the rear quarter of the new car and I already know I'll like the Tourer better and that we won't get it. I'd be more upset if not for the promise of the next TL.

Honda loves badge swapping and they're willing to have a single model Acura and Honda in the same market as is the case with the CSX in Canada. They once sold an Isuzu Trooper as an Acura - with a straight face. If anything they simply won't offer the Acura TSX there.






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Diesel and Manual

So no thoughts anyone on the diesel with the manual transmission? I think that would be a hot setup.
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Dont be bad talking the "legendary" Acura SLX Suv (just kidding). I understand your point of view. But with the information and direction Acura is said to be going, the TSX points to something different. Within an inch or two to current dimensions of the TL. That Sport4 looks something to the size of a legitimate 3 series car. And with the photos (all 3-5 of them) that have surfaced in recent months, I do see a BIGGER car. Hopefully this is just a VERY FAT TEST MULE. But I don't see a lot of camo that hides the FLOW of the lines that we've seen.
And HONDA and ACURA are trying to seperate. I really don't think that a EURO-ACCORD is coming here for the sheer fact that ACURA is going to be selling TSXs there in a few years.
What everyone fails to mention when mentioning the badge sharing is that a TSX is really a EuroAccord TYPE-R. Now to me, when someone says that, it sounds a whole lot nicer. And with regards to the TL sharing Accord over here, tell them to drive them back to back and see which ones is worlds ahead of the other as far as driving impressions go.
At least their styling is completely different. With the new TL, I don't see it becoming a LARGE SIZE car like the current Accord became. If it does, we're HISTORY.

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Dont be bad talking the "legendary" Acura SLX Suv (just kidding). I understand your point of view. But with the information and direction Acura is said to be going, the TSX points to something different. Within an inch or two to current dimensions of the TL. That Sport4 looks something to the size of a legitimate 3 series car. And with the photos (all 3-5 of them) that have surfaced in recent months, I do see a BIGGER car. Hopefully this is just a VERY FAT TEST MULE. But I don't see a lot of camo that hides the FLOW of the lines that we've seen.
And HONDA and ACURA are trying to seperate. I really don't think that a EURO-ACCORD is coming here for the sheer fact that ACURA is going to be selling TSXs there in a few years.
How do you know? Just because Acura has a model doesn't mean it's offered everywhere. We don't get the CSX in the US.

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What everyone fails to mention when mentioning the badge sharing is that a TSX is really a EuroAccord TYPE-R. Now to me, when someone says that, it sounds a whole lot nicer. And with regards to the TL sharing Accord over here, tell them to drive them back to back and see which ones is worlds ahead of the other as far as driving impressions go.
At least their styling is completely different. With the new TL, I don't see it becoming a LARGE SIZE car like the current Accord became. If it does, we're HISTORY.

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The TL and US Accord aren't badge swapping. They are radicaly different in apearance if not performance.

vtec.net doesn't like hotlinking aparently, but I want people to see how precisely similar the front of the spied TSX is to the Tourer teaser incase anyone is still hoping in vane that the TSX will look any different. Notice that the spied car even has the Acura grill where the teaser Accord has a Honda grill.







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