The Official 2009 TSX Thread **Unvelied in NY**
01-21-2008, 09:44 AM
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We (at our dealership) dont think their will be a type-s. It would compete too much with the base TL. The diesal and V6 probably wont arrive until 2009 as an '10 model. We were able to order a 6-speed so we know that is available.
01-21-2008, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by icecold0027
We (at our dealership) dont think their will be a type-s. It would compete too much with the base TL. The diesal and V6 probably wont arrive until 2009 as an '10 model. We were able to order a 6-speed so we know that is available.
DETROIT AUTO SHOW
New Acura TSX will get a diesel
Honda's first U.S. diesel engine will debut next year on Acura's redesigned TSX sedan. At the auto show here, CEO Takeo Fukui announced that Honda Motor Corp.'s new clean diesel will appear first on an Acura. He did not say which vehicle, but Honda sources say it will be the TSX. [SUB]
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01-21-2008, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by bgriffin
http://www.autonews.com/
DETROIT AUTO SHOW
New Acura TSX will get a diesel
Honda's first U.S. diesel engine will debut next year on Acura's redesigned TSX sedan. At the auto show here, CEO Takeo Fukui announced that Honda Motor Corp.'s new clean diesel will appear first on an Acura. He did not say which vehicle, but Honda sources say it will be the TSX. [SUB]
12:01 am U.S. ET | Jan.21
DETROIT AUTO SHOW
New Acura TSX will get a diesel
Honda's first U.S. diesel engine will debut next year on Acura's redesigned TSX sedan. At the auto show here, CEO Takeo Fukui announced that Honda Motor Corp.'s new clean diesel will appear first on an Acura. He did not say which vehicle, but Honda sources say it will be the TSX. [SUB]
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01-21-2008, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by icecold0027
Definately saw that. I hope the diesal comes in for '09 but were getting reports that it won't be introducted right away.
01-21-2008, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by bgriffin
I like the idea of Honda having an extra year to test the diesel before its release to make sure all of the problems are worked out. I don't think I will buy it though, because it won't be as rev-happy as the gas powered version.
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01-21-2008, 10:21 AM
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We've already been introduced to Honda's new i-DTEC clean diesel and, as expected, it will be finding its way into the next generation TSX sometime in 2009. The inclusion of the 2.2-liter diesel will follow the redesign of Acura's entry-level sedan sometime this spring, with the i-DTEC-equipped model initially debuting in Europe (in the Euro Accord) and eventually finding its way into the RDX crossover later next year. A V6 diesel is also expected to arrive sometime in 2010.
A new TL will debut later this year and the TSX replacement may also come equipped with the turbocharged four found in the RDX when it goes on sale this summer.
We've already been introduced to Honda's new i-DTEC clean diesel and, as expected, it will be finding its way into the next generation TSX sometime in 2009. The inclusion of the 2.2-liter diesel will follow the redesign of Acura's entry-level sedan sometime this spring, with the i-DTEC-equipped model initially debuting in Europe (in the Euro Accord) and eventually finding its way into the RDX crossover later next year. A V6 diesel is also expected to arrive sometime in 2010.
A new TL will debut later this year and the TSX replacement may also come equipped with the turbocharged four found in the RDX when it goes on sale this summer.
01-21-2008, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by krio
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We've already been introduced to Honda's new i-DTEC clean diesel and, as expected, it will be finding its way into the next generation TSX sometime in 2009. The inclusion of the 2.2-liter diesel will follow the redesign of Acura's entry-level sedan sometime this spring, with the i-DTEC-equipped model initially debuting in Europe (in the Euro Accord) and eventually finding its way into the RDX crossover later next year. A V6 diesel is also expected to arrive sometime in 2010.
A new TL will debut later this year and the TSX replacement may also come equipped with the turbocharged four found in the RDX when it goes on sale this summer.
We've already been introduced to Honda's new i-DTEC clean diesel and, as expected, it will be finding its way into the next generation TSX sometime in 2009. The inclusion of the 2.2-liter diesel will follow the redesign of Acura's entry-level sedan sometime this spring, with the i-DTEC-equipped model initially debuting in Europe (in the Euro Accord) and eventually finding its way into the RDX crossover later next year. A V6 diesel is also expected to arrive sometime in 2010.
A new TL will debut later this year and the TSX replacement may also come equipped with the turbocharged four found in the RDX when it goes on sale this summer.
I would love a turbo. If there is a turbo option, I will get a second job just to get one.
01-21-2008, 10:29 AM
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The 3.2 (or similar) will likely go into the TSX. The 2.3 Turbo is just speculation (although that would be sweet). With the 2.4 and the DTEC already confirmed, it would be unlikely for them to offer the 2.3 Turbo and a V6.
01-21-2008, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by cmschmie
Is Acura scheduled to reveal the TSX at NAIAS?
If so, when can we expect it? Anyone at or going to the show this week?
If so, when can we expect it? Anyone at or going to the show this week?
01-21-2008, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by cmschmie
Is Acura scheduled to reveal the TSX at NAIAS?
If so, when can we expect it? Anyone at or going to the show this week?
If so, when can we expect it? Anyone at or going to the show this week?
01-21-2008, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 5thTo2nd
woah that show's started already for a couple days...defintely no reveal.
Originally Posted by LuvMyTSX
No. It'll be in March, most likely.
Originally Posted by icecold0027
The RL is supposed to be unvailed at the Chicago auto show...The TSX in New York...Supposedly that is.
01-21-2008, 11:34 AM
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http://www.leftlanenews.com/acura-ts...-up-scale.html
Sorry if this was posted already but the diesel going to the TSX rumor is now official.
At this year's North American International Auto Show, Honda CEO Takeo Fukui announced that the Japanese automaker would launch its first U.S. clean diesel in an Acura model next year. However, Fukui failed to mention which model would receive diesel-power. But Honda officials announced today that the next-generation TSX will have a diesel option, slated to hit our shores in 2009.
The TSX seemed like a likely candidate for diesel power as it is basically the Euro-spec Honda Accord — a vehicle that will hit European showrooms this summer with a diesel option. Honda's new 2.2L i-DETC four-cylinder will power both vehicles.
Honda will also launch a V6 clean diesel in 2010, which will likely see duty in the Acura TL and MDX. The Honda Pilot could also use a version of the engine.
"All along, we've said there would be a diesel in Acura," Dick Colliver, executive vice president of American Honda Motor told Automotive News.
Acura heads upmarket
The diesel announcement is part of a broader effort to move Acura upmarket.
Colliver said the aim is to "separate Acura and Honda more." He estimated in six years, Acura will be a "tier 1" luxury automaker like BMW or Mercedes.
An Acura designer claimed last year the company plans to rival Bentley and Maybach.
Despite a down year for Acura in 2007 — sales slipped 10.5 percent to just 180,104 units — Collier is optimistic about the future of the brand. "We get the TSX in the spring and the new TL in the fall," he said. He made it clear Acura expected 2007 to be tough, since much of the model line was aging.
To compete with BMW, Acura needs to redesign models, add more crossovers, and launch an "image car," Collier said.The NSX will presumably be the brand's image car, but its launch has been delayed and it remains unclear when the supercar will make its official debut.
Collier also addressed the weak sales of Acura's range-topping RL sedan, saying that it was the "wrong car" for the segment. A new RL is slated to bow in 2010, and Collier revealed that the car's overall direction will change.
The TSX seemed like a likely candidate for diesel power as it is basically the Euro-spec Honda Accord — a vehicle that will hit European showrooms this summer with a diesel option. Honda's new 2.2L i-DETC four-cylinder will power both vehicles.
Honda will also launch a V6 clean diesel in 2010, which will likely see duty in the Acura TL and MDX. The Honda Pilot could also use a version of the engine.
"All along, we've said there would be a diesel in Acura," Dick Colliver, executive vice president of American Honda Motor told Automotive News.
Acura heads upmarket
The diesel announcement is part of a broader effort to move Acura upmarket.
Colliver said the aim is to "separate Acura and Honda more." He estimated in six years, Acura will be a "tier 1" luxury automaker like BMW or Mercedes.
An Acura designer claimed last year the company plans to rival Bentley and Maybach.
Despite a down year for Acura in 2007 — sales slipped 10.5 percent to just 180,104 units — Collier is optimistic about the future of the brand. "We get the TSX in the spring and the new TL in the fall," he said. He made it clear Acura expected 2007 to be tough, since much of the model line was aging.
To compete with BMW, Acura needs to redesign models, add more crossovers, and launch an "image car," Collier said.The NSX will presumably be the brand's image car, but its launch has been delayed and it remains unclear when the supercar will make its official debut.
Collier also addressed the weak sales of Acura's range-topping RL sedan, saying that it was the "wrong car" for the segment. A new RL is slated to bow in 2010, and Collier revealed that the car's overall direction will change.
01-21-2008, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Colin
How the hell should I know what it looks like? Do you think I'm holding out on you? Honestly, the whole attitude stinks. I don't have advanced information. I post what are confirmed facts as we learn them. If I post speculation I list it as such.
There are 280+ Acura dealerships with how many sales consultants at each. This forum is sponsored by a dealership, they have the same color info, same ordering info, but I'm the only one posting this information. Apparently wackura had confirmed info that 6-speeds were on the way and that orders had been placed for March production. I must have missed this.
I'm sorry if its not enough and its not appreciated. I can tell you this, if I do get a 2009 TSX, I'll be the first in the country to have one cause they drop the cars here in Hawaii before the head the mainland. I guess I won't bother post that info either. Unsubscribing from this thread now.
There are 280+ Acura dealerships with how many sales consultants at each. This forum is sponsored by a dealership, they have the same color info, same ordering info, but I'm the only one posting this information. Apparently wackura had confirmed info that 6-speeds were on the way and that orders had been placed for March production. I must have missed this.
I'm sorry if its not enough and its not appreciated. I can tell you this, if I do get a 2009 TSX, I'll be the first in the country to have one cause they drop the cars here in Hawaii before the head the mainland. I guess I won't bother post that info either. Unsubscribing from this thread now.
Your the man Colin.
01-21-2008, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
Sorry if this was posted already but the diesel going to the TSX rumor is now official.
01-21-2008, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BillDCH
Colin's got the same info that we have right now. (I work at DCH Heart Acura in upstate NY) We're told that the C4 Concept is, and I quote, "What the 09 TSX will be based on".
We can't order the 09 TSXs yet last I checked and we have NO PROOF that there will be a 6-speed. The ONLY new '09 MY ordering info we have is on the new RLs and we still have plenty of 08 TSXs in transit from Saitama. I also agree that it's nice of Colin to post this info on here and to bear in mind that Acura can tell us all sorts of stuff but when the cars actually show that it can be different.
We can't order the 09 TSXs yet last I checked and we have NO PROOF that there will be a 6-speed. The ONLY new '09 MY ordering info we have is on the new RLs and we still have plenty of 08 TSXs in transit from Saitama. I also agree that it's nice of Colin to post this info on here and to bear in mind that Acura can tell us all sorts of stuff but when the cars actually show that it can be different.
01-21-2008, 01:03 PM
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I saw mentioned about one thing that has always really driven me nuts as a long time Acura owner. That is the thought that a TSX with a V6 and or some other TL-like performance characteristic in a smaller chassis somehow threatens the TL. This is an old comparison, but does BMW care about the 335 and how it threatens the entry level 528i? Acura has to find a way to make room for two full complements of sedans in the TL and TSX and 2 versions of each (call it base and Type S if they like).
Because I sure did like my '05 TL ... but I think I would be a prime buyer for a TSX (slightly smaller than the TL) Type S.
I think between this and the adoption of of SH-AWD models between the Acura sedan and cross-over markets will significantly push Acura in the to the 25-40K sedan/crossover market because as we have seen ... Acura CAN and will price smartly.
In either case ... the start has to be a smokin' TSX refresh with the TL to follow right behind
Point #2 - Can someone take a stab at helping understand the strong draw to a diesel TSX? I am missing something I guess - is it just about MPG (nothing wrong with that or is there more to it? I have been i a few diesel's and really not sure the fun to drive factor is there for me vs. say the RDX engine (turbo) which put in a different implementation (think Volvo/Audi) can yield good MPG and weight benefits vs. normal I4 / V6 options. Thoughts?
Because I sure did like my '05 TL ... but I think I would be a prime buyer for a TSX (slightly smaller than the TL) Type S.
I think between this and the adoption of of SH-AWD models between the Acura sedan and cross-over markets will significantly push Acura in the to the 25-40K sedan/crossover market because as we have seen ... Acura CAN and will price smartly.
In either case ... the start has to be a smokin' TSX refresh with the TL to follow right behind
Point #2 - Can someone take a stab at helping understand the strong draw to a diesel TSX? I am missing something I guess - is it just about MPG (nothing wrong with that or is there more to it? I have been i a few diesel's and really not sure the fun to drive factor is there for me vs. say the RDX engine (turbo) which put in a different implementation (think Volvo/Audi) can yield good MPG and weight benefits vs. normal I4 / V6 options. Thoughts?
01-21-2008, 01:13 PM
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^^^ As far as I know, and what I understand, is that diesel engines are known for nearly instant [max] torque output and for their great fuel efficiency compared to petrol engines. Acceleration is a slightly different story, I wonder how that will fair with a diesel... I hope they improve it!
The TSX would rock if it did 0-60 in 5.5 to 6 seconds (quick, but not fast) and averaged 25-35mpg in the city and 35-45mpg on the highway.
If it's FWD with the rumored 180hp/325ftlbs... holy torque steer.
The TSX would rock if it did 0-60 in 5.5 to 6 seconds (quick, but not fast) and averaged 25-35mpg in the city and 35-45mpg on the highway.
If it's FWD with the rumored 180hp/325ftlbs... holy torque steer.
01-21-2008, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Just02
The TSX would rock if it did 0-60 in 5.5 to 6 seconds (quick, but not fast) and averaged 25-35mpg in the city and 35-45mpg on the highway.
The problem (in theory) is can this do this with the FWD application oooorrr since SH-AWD is available can they add the necessary power to drive the weight of a phenominal AWD system in a mid-size sedan for around $35K? I think
01-21-2008, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by cmschmie
Is Acura scheduled to reveal the TSX at NAIAS?
If so, when can we expect it? Anyone at or going to the show this week?
If so, when can we expect it? Anyone at or going to the show this week?
TL Concept is likely at New York though.
01-21-2008, 01:29 PM
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Point #2 - Can someone take a stab at helping understand the strong draw to a diesel TSX? I am missing something I guess - is it just about MPG (nothing wrong with that or is there more to it? I have been i a few diesel's and really not sure the fun to drive factor is there for me vs. say the RDX engine (turbo) which put in a different implementation (think Volvo/Audi) can yield good MPG and weight benefits vs. normal I4 / V6 options. Thoughts?
1) Maybe Acura wants to begin official selling in Europe (I do hope so!), after Infiniti. And they need of corse diesel engines.
2) Fuel is ending. Help!!!!
3) The 2.2 diesel engine of the european Accord is very much praised in Europe.
4) I don't know.
....I should understand if Acura, as Audi or BMW, introduced a V6 diesel for the MDX or for the RL (better Nm and fuel consumption) . Why for the TSX?
01-21-2008, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by provench
P.S. Dom .... you KNOW you'd trade in your TSX for that Type S - come oooon dude HAHA
HAHAI wish.
Just bought the wife an 07 Odyssey so no new TSX for me for a few years at least.
I wish I could trade cars in every 6 months like some people.
01-21-2008, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by icecold0027
We (at our dealership) dont think their will be a type-s. It would compete too much with the base TL. The diesal and V6 probably wont arrive until 2009 as an '10 model. We were able to order a 6-speed so we know that is available.
01-21-2008, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by provench
I saw mentioned about one thing that has always really driven me nuts as a long time Acura owner. That is the thought that a TSX with a V6 and or some other TL-like performance characteristic in a smaller chassis somehow threatens the TL. This is an old comparison, but does BMW care about the 335 and how it threatens the entry level 528i? Acura has to find a way to make room for two full complements of sedans in the TL and TSX and 2 versions of each (call it base and Type S if they like).
Because I sure did like my '05 TL ... but I think I would be a prime buyer for a TSX (slightly smaller than the TL) Type S.
I think between this and the adoption of of SH-AWD models between the Acura sedan and cross-over markets will significantly push Acura in the to the 25-40K sedan/crossover market because as we have seen ... Acura CAN and will price smartly.
In either case ... the start has to be a smokin' TSX refresh with the TL to follow right behind
Point #2 - Can someone take a stab at helping understand the strong draw to a diesel TSX? I am missing something I guess - is it just about MPG (nothing wrong with that or is there more to it? I have been i a few diesel's and really not sure the fun to drive factor is there for me vs. say the RDX engine (turbo) which put in a different implementation (think Volvo/Audi) can yield good MPG and weight benefits vs. normal I4 / V6 options. Thoughts?
Because I sure did like my '05 TL ... but I think I would be a prime buyer for a TSX (slightly smaller than the TL) Type S.
I think between this and the adoption of of SH-AWD models between the Acura sedan and cross-over markets will significantly push Acura in the to the 25-40K sedan/crossover market because as we have seen ... Acura CAN and will price smartly.
In either case ... the start has to be a smokin' TSX refresh with the TL to follow right behind
Point #2 - Can someone take a stab at helping understand the strong draw to a diesel TSX? I am missing something I guess - is it just about MPG (nothing wrong with that or is there more to it? I have been i a few diesel's and really not sure the fun to drive factor is there for me vs. say the RDX engine (turbo) which put in a different implementation (think Volvo/Audi) can yield good MPG and weight benefits vs. normal I4 / V6 options. Thoughts?
01-21-2008, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by provench
Point #2 - Can someone take a stab at helping understand the strong draw to a diesel TSX? I am missing something I guess - is it just about MPG (nothing wrong with that or is there more to it? I have been i a few diesel's and really not sure the fun to drive factor is there for me vs. say the RDX engine (turbo) which put in a different implementation (think Volvo/Audi) can yield good MPG and weight benefits vs. normal I4 / V6 options. Thoughts?
I would miss the sound and feel when the tach passes 6000 RPM, but that is so few and far between for me I'd be willing to make the trade off.
01-21-2008, 01:56 PM
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my normal driving is 99% city where I might get up to 40 mph on a good day. You gotta love LA.
01-21-2008, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by wackura
Supposing a fully loaded Accord costs roughly similar to a TSX, what makes the Accord any less of a luxury car? Is the name tag making all the difference for you? We're not getting a free lunch with this car - indeed there's no such thing.
Accord to TL.
01-21-2008, 02:28 PM
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April 24th? That's forever and an eternity. haha
If I wind up not liking the '09, I'm pretty sure I'll be able to get a hell of a deal on a '08.
01-21-2008, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
I wish.
Just bought the wife an 07 Odyssey so no new TSX for me for a few years at least.
I wish I could trade cars in every 6 months like some people.
Just bought the wife an 07 Odyssey so no new TSX for me for a few years at least.
I wish I could trade cars in every 6 months like some people.
Can understand the '07 Ody ... my wife just got her 3rd Odyssey and for some reason we keep coming back only to have more than normal (in my eyes) problems for a Honda
... my Accord has been ROCK solid so far.On the diesel debate ..
1) Is "clean" diesel better for air pollution vs. the current 2.4L in the TSX?
2) How noisy are the current gen Diesels? My brother has a MB crossover/SUV and it still sounds kind noisy and last I looked it was one of the HIGHEST on carbon emissions !!
3) If 40MPG is the reason ... vs. Hybrid especially for city drivers? This is likely a whole new thread on the failings of Honda's application of its Hybrid technology on its mid-size sedans
I am all for diversity ... and certainly understand the European angle, but it seems to me I'd rather see Honda pushing hybrid/electric technology faster ... oh well.
01-21-2008, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by cbusAcuracls
its the quality of products that differ from honda/acura that makes the diff. BTW Accord and TSX are totally two different cars. Compare apples to apples...
Accord to TL.
Accord to TL.
With all that being said ... I think what I would expect from the '09 TSX AND TL is a lot of new technology. To be honest this new technology (hopefully in the drive train) is what I am excited about ... SH-AWD + V6 in Honda's mid-size sedans is a HUGE move and to go with that I am sure Acura has some interior gadgets (current MDX likely gives us clues) up their sleeves ... they always do for major redesigns.
01-21-2008, 02:45 PM
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Honda's diesel is supposedly as clean as regular petrol cars. It will also be approved for sale in all 50 states, as opposed to previous diesels from MB and VW not being allowed in CA, MA, and a few other states.
Also, Honda's beef with hybrids is that they are not very profitable. There was an article linked a couple pages back that said diesels are already profitable, whereas hybrids are not.
We shall see. I'll be visiting www.fueleconomy.gov to compare mpg and emissions between cars, just like I did the last time I was car shopping.
Also, Honda's beef with hybrids is that they are not very profitable. There was an article linked a couple pages back that said diesels are already profitable, whereas hybrids are not.
We shall see. I'll be visiting www.fueleconomy.gov to compare mpg and emissions between cars, just like I did the last time I was car shopping.