MotorTrend: Sporty Luxury Sedan Comparo
03-09-2012, 11:18 AM
#41
Goodbye.
03-09-2012, 08:01 PM
#42
I may be fat but I'm slow
Although 0-60 time would have suffered a bit, I would be interested to see where they would have placed a 2.4. Handling is much sharper with the 2.4 due to the lower weight over the front suspension.
It really is not a fair comparison because the cars are so far apart on cost.
The Acura 2.4 can be had for 32k or less, really keeping it below the "luxury" cost class, it's actually just on the high side of non-luxury. Keeping in mind the average new car price is now 29k, that says something for Honda's marketing.
It really is not a fair comparison because the cars are so far apart on cost.
The Acura 2.4 can be had for 32k or less, really keeping it below the "luxury" cost class, it's actually just on the high side of non-luxury. Keeping in mind the average new car price is now 29k, that says something for Honda's marketing.
03-09-2012, 08:07 PM
#43
That's where I'm at. I'm sure the 328i is nicer than my 2.4, but at $30k out the door, my TSX was 60% the cost of their 328i. That pays for my S2000, which I'll use when I am missing some of the sportiness the TSX is lacking. Plus, I plan to keep the TSX for close to 20k miles; no way I could do that with a Euro car.
03-10-2012, 09:09 AM
#44
That's where I'm at. I'm sure the 328i is nicer than my 2.4, but at $30k out the door, my TSX was 60% the cost of their 328i. That pays for my S2000, which I'll use when I am missing some of the sportiness the TSX is lacking. Plus, I plan to keep the TSX for close to 200k miles; no way I could do that with a Euro car.
Slightly off topic, but I got a kick out of Road & Track's (or was it Motor Trend's?) conclusion to their long term test of an Audi S4. They loved the drive, but had some serious reliability issues, which prompted them to observe they could sell it, and just buy a TL with SH-AWD and 6MT. The European "character" can wear thin pretty quickly!
03-11-2012, 08:33 AM
#45
I have to say my personal feelings with Car and Driver , Motor Trend, Road and Track are these magazines are paid off by the manufacturers to hype the vehicle. Whether it be extravagant dinners or whatever. I take their opinions with a grain of salt.
I only subscribe to Autoweek which is OK. As an example they run their long term test vehicles and report the problems they have had.
One recent example was a new 5 series BMW loaded up with options.
They loved the car but had to change like 3 or 4 (if my memory serves correct)
runflat tires. They said that they were not driving on pothole ridden streets but the tires were just prone to punctures.
Now I know some people would say well just buy non runflat tires for the BMW.
But should you really have to? It is an expensive vehicle, it should come with
reliable tires before it leaves the factory!
At least Autoweek tries to report the truth most of the time!
I only subscribe to Autoweek which is OK. As an example they run their long term test vehicles and report the problems they have had.
One recent example was a new 5 series BMW loaded up with options.
They loved the car but had to change like 3 or 4 (if my memory serves correct)
runflat tires. They said that they were not driving on pothole ridden streets but the tires were just prone to punctures.
Now I know some people would say well just buy non runflat tires for the BMW.
But should you really have to? It is an expensive vehicle, it should come with
reliable tires before it leaves the factory!
At least Autoweek tries to report the truth most of the time!
03-11-2012, 09:10 AM
#46
I have to say my personal feelings with Car and Driver , Motor Trend, Road and Track are these magazines are paid off by the manufacturers to hype the vehicle. Whether it be extravagant dinners or whatever. I take their opinions with a grain of salt.
I only subscribe to Autoweek which is OK. As an example they run their long term test vehicles and report the problems they have had.
One recent example was a new 5 series BMW loaded up with options.
They loved the car but had to change like 3 or 4 (if my memory serves correct)
runflat tires. They said that they were not driving on pothole ridden streets but the tires were just prone to punctures.
Now I know some people would say well just buy non runflat tires for the BMW.
But should you really have to? It is an expensive vehicle, it should come with
reliable tires before it leaves the factory!
At least Autoweek tries to report the truth most of the time!
I only subscribe to Autoweek which is OK. As an example they run their long term test vehicles and report the problems they have had.
One recent example was a new 5 series BMW loaded up with options.
They loved the car but had to change like 3 or 4 (if my memory serves correct)
runflat tires. They said that they were not driving on pothole ridden streets but the tires were just prone to punctures.
Now I know some people would say well just buy non runflat tires for the BMW.
But should you really have to? It is an expensive vehicle, it should come with
reliable tires before it leaves the factory!
At least Autoweek tries to report the truth most of the time!
Every auto magazine goes to the press dinners and galas and AW is no exception. In theory, only Consumer Reports is truly unbiased but I'm not sure of anyone in enthusiast community that thinks that CR does an accurate car report.
Last edited by ceb; 03-11-2012 at 09:15 AM.
03-11-2012, 01:01 PM
#47
Three Wheelin'
ok i understand the a4 quattro and bmw 328i being better but not the c250, s60 and the IS250?? wtf that car hasn't changed in looks for centuries. i call this review BS and plus i never take any motortrend reviews seriously, mostly for comedy. i find car&driver magazine better.
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