TLboss

my 02 tls was shifting rough when cold, so i changed the tranny fluid with honda atf. it got better for a while but now its slow to shift when its not fully warmed up, and when it does shift, it starts to slip to around 5000k or so, does that in every gear. After about 10 min the slipping goes away but still shifts hard form 1st to 2nd especially. then today the cel came on and D5 started flashing. idk if i can drive to work anymore, i feel like it can go out completely. the slipping gets crazy in the morning i have to let the gas off completely between shifts. do you have any suggestions except doing a complete rebuild? the tranny only has 30k on it

fsttyms1

Sounds like its done. When you changed the fluid how much did you change? Have you tried doing a drain fill x3? You could take out all the solenoids and clean the screens to see if it helps and change out the fluid again but it most likely would be like putting a bandaid on a arm that has been cut off.

TLboss

i see, i took it to aamco, its there right now. they told me a bunch of bs that my fluid is bad and they need to open the transmission to see what it is. i know its not the fluid cause it was changed last week, one time though no x3 drain. ill take it to a private shop and see what they suggest. thanks for ur help fsttyms1

fsttyms1

The fluid could verry well be bad. When you changed it only 3 quarts of the almost 8 that are in it came out. That is why you do a 3x3. Private shop will most likely say the same thing. There isnt any thing they can really do to see whats wrong without removing and opening up the trans. At that point you might as well have new clutchpacks and solenoids put it. Thats why i recommended taking yours out and cleaning them to see if it helps

jad1217

what would something like that cost?

TLboss

they say it would need a rebuild aamco wants 2400-2500
private shop wants 2260 with 12k warranty
im thinking of selling the car, i can buy 2 good running honda civics for that much money

piggylover1985

Up here, i can't touch a decent running 95 Civic for less than $2k. Don't know why but it seem like the Civic holds it value better than the Accord.

TLboss

lol thats true, but i dont wanna give up the tl but also dont want to pay almost 3k for the tranny. ill get get a 89 crx or somethin instead of paying for rebuild

piggylover1985

The crx could be a quick car with a Integra motor, can also turbo it later.

dtan1691

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hey im also in the atl area... how much do you wanna sell the car as is for????

TLboss

im planing to sell for $6500 to $6000. i put new brakes and tires on it, new sparkplugs, synthetic oil,all new fluids, and high grade tint

piggylover1985

The price is not bad but will be a little hard too sell with a bad tranny.

acutee

If your tranny had problem, the problem will be consistent regardless whether the car is cold or needed to be warmed up. From what you said warming up seemed to shift better, that means the fluid flowing could be clogged. Warming up will thinner down the fluid and giving the fluid time to flow through the almost clog area. Give it one more chance by replacing the tranny external atf filter before you have the tranny repaired or sell it. Also, check the tranny solenoid for clog that other member mentioned recently with just 4 10mm bolts. Otherwise, your tranny is on its last leg. Good luck.

piggylover1985

I'm sorry but i disagree only on the first sentence. There are many problems with transmissions varies with temperature. Some act up when cold and will be ok when warm. Some works ok cold, but having problem when it got hot. Some only have problems at certain RPM or speed.

piggylover1985

After all the slipping of course it will get hot. Slipping creates heat.The fluid will be overheat, and it lost the viscousity of the fluid, so can't do a good job lubricating either. If it is working better when warms up, that means that the rubber seals inside the tranny got harden from running too hot for a while. When cold the rubber is hard, the fluid just blow by because hard seal shrunk. When warms up the rubber seals get softer and expand so it will seal the fluid in the drum for the clutch pack to come on. Your 2nd clutch pack is probably burnt, so the clutch pack is on the loose side, the piston has to stroke much further to apply it. Will make a shift feels harsh because now the linear solenoids have to increase max line pressure to apply the clutch pack.

TLboss

sounds like it, but i take it easy and let my foot off the gas between shifts, so its smooth. btw can you tell me how u got the 2 top solenoids off, i wanna see if cleaning them would help, also the external atf filter

01tl4tl

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Shawnuddin88

Hi guys I've a 2002 Acura TL S I've rebuild my tranny about 10k ago currently I've 154k. Until about 9k the tranny was shifting like new but after about 9 k after I warm up the car for about 10-12 min, while driving for the first 10-15 min the 1st gear wud shift really rough like shifting to 2nd gear it shifts really hard and then the 2nd gear wud shift little less rough and the other gears shifts smoothly. So if I stop at red light it wud do same. After driving for 10-15 min the tranny is shifting from 1st to what ever gear perfectly like there was no problem. So I've read some articles where users saying to clean the shift solenoid screen. So guys is that the real problem or there is some other problem please help if some1 knows what's the real problem if any1 had this problem and was solved. Thanks guys.

3.2TLc

Depending upon how well the rebuild was done, it could be that the shift solenoid or pressure switch is the problem. Check the DIY's and search previous related threads for more assistance on this.

Was Honda tranny fluid used after the rebuild ? Were the solenoids and filter replaced at the time of rebuilding the tranny ? You could try pulling the solenoid and check the screen out of curiousity.

A service manual may be beneficial when troubleshooting this problem. Perhaps have the pressure checked ?

Ron A

Welcome to the forums.

I deleted your other three posts in this forum since we prefer that you only make one post for the same topic.