Seikoja

My questions can we swap the newer 3.2 or even 3.5 type s engines into UA5 body n if yes how much modifications have to made cause i just got 170 k on my motor n want to kno my options.

02type-s

I know you can convert it to a 3.5 but idk about the whole engine replacement.

2K3_TLs

even if you could do the whole engine swap, im sure that it would be a pain to find a 3.5 Type-S motor. That being said im sure if you do find one, it will be expensive

If it is possible for the engine swap, would the newer RL motor fit? after all its the same engine as the Type-S... only not detuned

2K3_TLs

or the 07+ MDX motor?

(i remembered this too late to edit the last post)

00 acura tl

i think you can't swap the 3.5 type s engine but you could do a 3.5 conversion if you search on it you will find plenty of information, chris(the moderater) gave on other threads.

3.5 types i think it has 3 cat converters someone correct me if im wrong
not sure

fsttyms1

the new motors wont work. they are run by drive by wire. Now im not sure if you can attach our TB to the manifold and have it work? Im also not sure if the bell housing is the same. Also any differences in sensors and wiring to make it all run

I would for the ease of things just take a 2002-2003 type-s motor and turn it into a 3.5

2K3_TLs

so none of the aforementioned engines above will work?

dang... i was getting all excited thinking one day id swap the engine...

curse you fsttymes! not really... but you get the idea..

hairything

Yea, I'm thinkin about doin that 3.5 mod to my '03 TL-P sometime in the future when my engine dies out. As I read in the other thread, it would be VERY beneficial if there was a kit/package or something for the 3.5 conversion 'cause I'm sure as hell am not a knowledgeable car guy but just want my TL-P to match up to new cars. How much extra hp would you get from a 3.5 anyway?

02type-s

Didn't someone in another thread say that gains were comparable to that of a supercharger?

Seikoja

would be nice if u just get a new motor complete n doin a swap instead of paying so much in labor for a motor build. i will even settle for even just a regular 3.2 rated at 260 still would be stronger than my current set up. here is for hoping

Juliet

you dont always have to go UP in displacement.. could try to fit the car with a b16 honda engine and install a killer turbo setup. power is power... doesnt matter if its a 4 cylinder or a 6

02type-s

I think anything smaller than what we have would have a little trouble pulling a 2.5 ton sedan lol. If you turboed the J32 you would have MUCH more power than any 4 cylinder, seeing as though the J series starts out with double the horsepower.

Juliet

its not really about power as much as torque. a 400hp b16 would be plenty for a TL... the question is could the tranny handle that much? seem unlikely. the bottom line is the TL isnt a race car... theres no need to go past 400hp with it, and that can be accomplished (or close to it) with all the bolt on parts, a piggyback system and a turbo/supercharger. but hey, youll never know what engine combo works in the car till someone gives it a try. if you were really serious about dropped a 4 banger into the TL then youd actually have a LIGHTER car since the 4 cylinder would weight less then the 6. it can be done... just not many people wanna go with a smaller more high strung engine in the TL.

02type-s

Well, The tranny would have to be a B series as well. (obviously). But with what you would put into the B series, do the same thing to the J series and it will be faster. I dont think you benefit from a B16 in a TL oppossed to the J32 in any way.

Juliet

how bout an nsx engine then? it sits sideways in the engine bay so it might be possible to shoehorn it into a TL if u really wanted to

2K3_TLs

i remember reading this somewhere... it wouldnt be possible since the engine series that the NSX is, is different than the J-series motor that we have. that being said, we'd have to use that series tranny as well.

probably too expensive for the average persons blood

2K3_TLs

if i really wanted something like that i would have bought a little CRX instead of my TL.

I'm keeping the J32A2...

you can do the B16 swap and let me know how it works out for you

Juliet

most people dont own TL's to hit 9s and drag race on the weekend. its just not the right platform for a serious competition car. i dont even own a TL of my own, as im here representing a friend who doesnt have a computer. if i did, i wouldnt do a engine swap since its too expensive with minimal gains. theres plenty of cheaper cars that more power potential then the TL if i felt the need to get back into racing. the TL is more of a daily driver with a lil power and mod potential to keep the owners interested. for the cost of one, id settle for something with a stronger aftermarket and generally more intended for racing. i love the TL though.. just gotta understand that theyre arnt ment for performance racing

Autoworks

I found this thread amuzing (I own a TL and a CRX ).

I don't think wanting to swap motors for better performance has anything to do with the "drag racing" aspect. It's moreso along the lines of putting the TL in the current sport sedan ranks as far as power. Keeping up w/ the G35s, IS300s, BMWs, new TLs and so on. It's not about the1/4 mile, just an overall better performing car.

MurkyRiversTL

Hey i agree with ..... its not about the track, i think taking it to a track would be fun, but not for competing in a serious event.

I was thinking about putting my engine in my geo..... but it wont fit without heavy modification.

Juliet

im not trying to turn anyone off to the idea of a engine swap on the TL, infact i think its cool that the tuners out there found swaps that worked effectively in the cars. getting the most out of your cars is what its all about, so push that "luxary" car to the limit and beat up on the STis and Evos out there

Seikoja

The point of the swap is to compete w other cars in its class like the maxima, 335i, n the STS. just nice to kno if u get challenged by any of the other luxury cars u can keep up or even beat a couple. Thats all that swap in a TL is about all makin decent decent power w AC n leather guts n a hole in roof.

Juliet

need to get a oldsmobile toronado engine lol. FWD v8

02type-s

I think this thread has gone straight to hell.

Juliet

the "lol" means i was joking. dont be so serious

2K3_TLs

Juliet

no need to lock it if the topic gets serious again.

might try to source the engine out of a 06 saturn vue. its a honda built engine rebadged as a GM. its the same one as in the mdx, but it COULD be a lil easier to find. i looked it up on ebay and they start at $600, which is much better compared to the mdx engine which runs at 1300 or more online. something to consider if anyone is looking to do a 3.5 TL

MurkyRiversTL

Hey I was thinking about that too. I read on somewhere that saturn is using the honda engine...... thats so weird. But if its cheaper why not go that route?

MurkyRiversTL

Stop dancing you little lock...... your scaring me

02type-s

Good call on the saturn vue engine. Is everything the same? Or did they make it ever so different so it couldnt be universally used?

Juliet

it could be one of those situations where the mechanical aspect of the engine is identical to the mdx's, but the wiring and sensors might be different. it looks like a tl engine though:

fsttyms1

Oh and to the VUE question, It came in the redline (not many made) and its the same 3.5 thats was in the mds/pilot/oddysee. There are plenty of the 3.5s floating around (but arent needed to do a 3.5 in the TL)

Seikoja

True but i dont kno bout anyone else but i would rather put a low mileage motor in my car than a buily one. my experience w built motors is that they dont last too long. I want performance n reliabilty i want atleast another 100k out of my next motor.

fsttyms1

then you dont know much about the 3.5 build then. You arent going to get the same results buy buying the mdx/pilot motor and dropping it in.
Its a freak motor with a mix and match of parts to get the best results.
I guarantee that if done right the motor will go well beyond 200k. its ALL oem parts

Seikoja

yeah cool thanks for the update i thought it would be like a ls/vtec. now we all kno. So whats the estimated hp n torque w the 3.5 conversion

fsttyms1

about the same as the SC with the standard low boost pulley.

Seikoja

Basically supercharger power w all motor gas mileage i can definately live w that.

2K3_TLs

muahaha the plan is working....




that being said, would it be possible to then throw a SC on top of the 3.5? and if so, what kind of gains would one expect to produce? has anyone done it yet?

fsttyms1

depends on how you did the 3.5 If you did tie 12.1 compression no. If you did the lower then yes. Im sure the gains would be nice.