kyamcg

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Hey everyone.. Here's what I'm thinking...
I've seen a few threads about people that are replacing the stock transmission with a 6-speed, but I was wondering what automatics would fit in our cars easily.

So do the 04+ TL and Accord automatics fit right in as well?

I'm just hoping once people answer this, it can serve as a nice reference for at least SOMEONE out here.

gold2003tl (90)

i know the 3rd gen TL auto tranny will bolt up, but will run in limp mode. not really compatible

TLin401

Hmmmmmm this is interesting.

I am unsure of the answer but I am interested to know the answer.

2000tlwdp

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What do you mean by "limp" mode?

phee

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the 3rd gen tl transmission will bolt up as long as it isnt the 3rd gen type S.

it will run in limp mode.

however! if u swap the sensors from the 2nd gen tranny it will be fully functional. the main reason it works is because u are putting the 2nd gen range switch on it.

its been done and one of our members p.diddy was going to do it again.

its a good alternative for those of u who are out of warranty.

nva-av6 (paul) has done the swaps on accords.

this will not work on the 99 tl's with the 4 speeds

phee

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rev limit is 5k, no vtec and u will run rich

kyamcg

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Ok so instead of putting in another stock tranny, you can put in an 04-08 TL (non type-S) transmission by just replacing the sensors. Good to know! Is it hard to swap the sensors? If not, this seems like a good alternative.

gold2003tl (90)

^ would not think so, they probably just plug right in. I am not sure which senors need to be replaced.

if your going to go through that much trouble, might as well just do a 6-speed manual swap

kyamcg

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That's just a preference, though. I know that I personally would rather have an automatic over a manual in the TL.
(Hence this thread being for autos that fit.)

e30cabrio

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I'd consider this if my transmission died, anyone know which sensors need to be used? They come from the original transmission?

Is there a thread on it?

Why not an S transmission?

DC3328

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somebody needs to get NVA-AV6 in this thread to answer everyones questions

e30cabrio

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I searched and all I found was manual swaps & threads that have absolutely not a thing to do with this.


Gotta love the wacky search function!

fsttyms1

Search function works great. This info really just isnt on our forum.

2K2SilverTL-S

3rd gen auto stinks as the drive-by-wire system closes the throttle between shifts. Really hurts the J32A3 IMO, which is a pretty nice motor.

kyamcg

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Does it really? That's no good.

DC3328

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^but we don't have DBW, so it wouldn't do that in our car

kyamcg

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So pretty much....
>If your stock transmission goes bad and you want to stick with an automatic, go with the 3g TL auto.

^Does that pretty much wrap it up?

And has anyone on here done this?

TLin401

I don't think that anyone has ever put a 3G 5AT in a 2G.

DC3328

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it has been done just not on these boards, contact NVA-AV6 and tell him to post in this thread, that's if he wants to share what he's done before

NVA-AV6

Ok, without reading the whole thread here is what I have done and what I know can be done....

First, it is stright forward to put in a 3rd gen tl/7th gen AV6/03-07 oddy tranny in a 2nd gen TL provided that the TL was a 00+ which had a 5spd in it already, everything bolts up but you will have to transfer a couple of parts from your old tranny, the trans range switch and the oil cooler/filter assembly, other than that it is a stright bolt up. Now if you have a 4spd TL/CL you will also have to get a new engine wire harness and ECU from a 5spd TL/CL and may* have to do a little repin/rewire for the chassis connection to the ECU.

e30cabrio

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Cool, I assume this applies to the gen2 CL?

NVA-AV6

^Yes

Also I usually source a low mile oddy tranny, last I checked most soccor moms don't try to launch thier mini vans so chances are much better that it will not have benn beaten....

e30cabrio

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My trans has 110k+ and works great (crossing my fingers toes & eyes) but I'd feel much better doing this if the need arises.


Thanks for the info!

RUF87

Thanks for chiming in here.

I'm on #3 and am officially out of the extended warranty and will most likely use this option.

That said, I wonder why Acura isn't using the 3rd gen when they replace our "lemon" trannys.

Maybe we should start an Acura Lemon Transmission blog, website or whatever. Giving us an extended warranty that never fixes the problem is still just giving us the shaft. Especially after the way David McDavid Acura Plano royally screwed my car up the last time in.

Ruf

c0v3rr1d3

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Great info, good to know if/when my 2nd tranny goes. AT 107k now so either it blows before 109 or i go this route afterward.

NVA-AV6

That would require a bit of out of the box thnking and most, not all, acura techs have enough problems getting it right when it is fully documented stright replacement.

pmptx

Topped ya, on #4 and almost out of the 3/36 on it. So I will likely do the same and acquire an ody tranny if mine bites it again.

kyamcg

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205k So hopefully it'll just keep on trucking, but if it does go out, I'll go this route. Especially after seeing that some people have had 3 fail already!

Thanks for helping me out with this idea guys. I just figured it would be some good info to have.

Now if anyone plans on doing this conversion, don't forget to make a nice write up for us all! :wink:

RUF87

Ha ha.

Interesting note here . . and to prove that premature failure has nothing to do with modding and hot rodding.

Your mom's TL is on it's 2nd tranny . . . no mods or racing.

I'm on my 3rd . . quite a few mods and lots of racing . . although I only went to the track once with the last tranny.

You're on your 4th . . fewer mods than I, and only went to the track once or twice.

Just thought that was an interesting thought.

Ruf

RUF87

You can say that again . . and their screw up proves it.

I'd go as far to venture that some dealers won't do this as you'll eventually have to pay for one at some point in time.

Ruf

fsttyms1

Topped ya, 5 failures then i went 6 speed manual.

TLin401

So the 2G engine is compatible to the 3G 5AT and the Odysseus tranny? What year Odyssey?

DC3328

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NVA-AV6

Up to 06

kyamcg

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Ok another random thought. I was talking with my uncle (who has an Odyssey) about how the TLs are known to have bad transmissions. He said that he has heard that his car is just as bad. So, are the Odysseys' transmissions known to fail to, or not?

Soccer dads, on the other hand.....

NVA-AV6

They are all the same tranny mechanically, my only reason for going after Oddy tranny's is the lesser chance of one of those being beaten on, not that they are any better mechanically.

kyamcg

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Same as OUR tranny? Or 3rd gens'?

NVA-AV6

3rd gens, 05-06 Oddy/3rd gen TL/7th Gen AV6 use the same trans.

Kdot0083

So if you do the swap correctly, will it still run in limp mode??

NVA-AV6

^No.