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Old 09-28-2000, 12:17 AM
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I am not planing to lower my car,so what is
the widest rubber I can put on? 215/55
or 225/55 16 ?
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Originally posted by baz:
I am not planing to lower my car,so what is
the widest rubber I can put on? 215/55
or 225/55 16 ?
instead of 225/55/16, you should put on 225/45/16 the circumference (spe??) is really close to the stock, 215/45/16 isn't that close. 225/45/16 works perfect.



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Originally posted by Red Hot TL:

instead of 225/55/16, you should put on 225/45/16 the circumference (spe??) is really close to the stock, 215/45/16 isn't that close. 225/45/16 works perfect.

I beg to differ... 225/55-16 maintains the circumference perfectly. For the same wheel diameter AR1*TW1=AR2*TW2, where AR = aspect ratio (like 60) and TW= tire width (like 205)

Therefore, AR2=(AR1*TW1)/TW2.

AR2=(60*205)/225=54.66666667, close enough to 55 for me

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I have a question about all of this wheel stuff, after looking through the archives. I've pretty much decided to stay with 16-inch rims because here in Pittsburg we have potholes which would swallow larger rims with thinner tires, no sweat. But, I'm still wondering is there any effect of larger wheels/tires on the operation of the traction control system. Is it in someway calibrated for the traction characteristics of the stock tire? Would the operation of the TCS be in any way afffected by wider tires (eg 225/55-16), even on 16-inch rims?
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sorry, my bad I was thinking about 17s and bigger, I'm so sorry, dudes.

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I'm happy with my 225-55-16's, no problem with fit and as Einstein stated there is an almost perfect match with OEM. Also there is quite a bit of sidewall which protects the rims from scraping if you park too close to a curb.

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I spoke to Comptech, and they told me to put 215's on the stock rim if i am replacing the tires, they said the 225's will look bad on such a narrow rim...I dunno.. I am still probably going to get the 225/55/16's because it matches the OD the best.
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The 225's pictures I've seen on TL's make it look more muscular. Once you've stared at them for a while, then you look back at the 205's, it's amazing how goofy the stock tires can look.

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I am really happy with my 225/55 16. I park my TL next to another TL everyday that has stock tires. My car looks much better with the wider tire. My Potenzas have a very aggresive tread - looks great.

BTW - no rubbing or other problems.
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I am glad when I took a look at my new Bridgestones that they are made in Japan. Buying USA Firestones seems to be a big risk nowadays.

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I'm glad someone else asked this question, 'cause I was looking at wider/ different tires, & maybe going with new rims, but in the 16" size. I don't want 2 (sorry RED HOT TL)go w/ 17,18,20" wheels & tires. I drive 2 much @ year, and them puppies get expensive 2 replace.

Einstien, if you go go down in "PROFILE" size, 2 say 225 from the 205 stk. size, wouldn't that be .750 less "TALL", but 1.650 wider tires? I'll check w/ the guy I know that owns a Goodyear store. He should know that, I hope. Gee, what type tires will I probably get??
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Start reading here
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/size.htm

The tire width is the driving factor. The aspect ratio then determines the sidewall height...

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Ok Einstein, nice site for tire info..but I was never very good w/ math problems! I use an old tape measure. Just measured the stock tire, & it's about 7" across the tread, & about 25" across the tire (TALL). I only have a 215/55 to measure w/ and it's 8" tread, & 24 1/4" across (tall). Does this come out on the formula that way
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Originally posted by Lrpba300:
Ok Einstein, nice site for tire info..but I was never very good w/ math problems! I use an old tape measure. Just measured the stock tire, & it's about 7" across the tread, & about 25" across the tire (TALL). I only have a 215/55 to measure w/ and it's 8" tread, & 24 1/4" across (tall). Does this come out on the formula that way
Actually it's hard to measure the actual tire dimensions that show up on the sidewall. Furthermore, even if you could you would find that they are not exactly what they should be. Kinda like shoes, sometimes I fit a 9 1/2, sometimes a 10.

Just use the OEM tires size and find a good tire calculator on the internet. Maybe someone can post a link for you... I'm not sure where they are. Maybe you could do a search on the internet.



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These seem like they might be worthwhile:
http://www.dsm.org/tools/tiresize.htm
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would there be a problem with switching out two tires of the 225/55/16 at a time (budget constraints)... If I had two stock and two of the 225/55/16, any side effects?
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SPEAKING OF OPTIONS!!!

(I'm considering 500/35-ZZZ12 myself)

If you want to run 12-inch wheels:
For 35-series tires, you will want a tire that is 497 mm wide
For 40-series tires, you will want a tire that is 435 mm wide
For 45-series tires, you will want a tire that is 386 mm wide
For 50-series tires, you will want a tire that is 348 mm wide
For 55-series tires, you will want a tire that is 316 mm wide
For 60-series tires, you will want a tire that is 290 mm wide
For 65-series tires, you will want a tire that is 267 mm wide
For 70-series tires, you will want a tire that is 248 mm wide
For 75-series tires, you will want a tire that is 232 mm wide
For 80-series tires, you will want a tire that is 217 mm wide
For 85-series tires, you will want a tire that is 204 mm wide
For 90-series tires, you will want a tire that is 193 mm wide
If you want to run 13-inch wheels:
For 35-series tires, you will want a tire that is 460 mm wide
For 40-series tires, you will want a tire that is 403 mm wide
For 45-series tires, you will want a tire that is 358 mm wide
For 50-series tires, you will want a tire that is 322 mm wide
For 55-series tires, you will want a tire that is 293 mm wide
For 60-series tires, you will want a tire that is 269 mm wide
For 65-series tires, you will want a tire that is 248 mm wide
For 70-series tires, you will want a tire that is 230 mm wide
For 75-series tires, you will want a tire that is 215 mm wide
For 80-series tires, you will want a tire that is 201 mm wide
For 85-series tires, you will want a tire that is 190 mm wide
For 90-series tires, you will want a tire that is 179 mm wide
If you want to run 14-inch wheels:
For 35-series tires, you will want a tire that is 424 mm wide
For 40-series tires, you will want a tire that is 371 mm wide
For 45-series tires, you will want a tire that is 330 mm wide
For 50-series tires, you will want a tire that is 297 mm wide
For 55-series tires, you will want a tire that is 270 mm wide
For 60-series tires, you will want a tire that is 247 mm wide
For 65-series tires, you will want a tire that is 228 mm wide
For 70-series tires, you will want a tire that is 212 mm wide
For 75-series tires, you will want a tire that is 198 mm wide
For 80-series tires, you will want a tire that is 186 mm wide
For 85-series tires, you will want a tire that is 175 mm wide
For 90-series tires, you will want a tire that is 165 mm wide
If you want to run 15-inch wheels:
For 35-series tires, you will want a tire that is 388 mm wide
For 40-series tires, you will want a tire that is 339 mm wide
For 45-series tires, you will want a tire that is 302 mm wide
For 50-series tires, you will want a tire that is 271 mm wide
For 55-series tires, you will want a tire that is 247 mm wide
For 60-series tires, you will want a tire that is 226 mm wide
For 65-series tires, you will want a tire that is 209 mm wide
For 70-series tires, you will want a tire that is 194 mm wide
For 75-series tires, you will want a tire that is 181 mm wide
For 80-series tires, you will want a tire that is 170 mm wide
For 85-series tires, you will want a tire that is 160 mm wide
For 90-series tires, you will want a tire that is 151 mm wide
If you want to run 16-inch wheels:
For 35-series tires, you will want a tire that is 351 mm wide
For 40-series tires, you will want a tire that is 308 mm wide
For 45-series tires, you will want a tire that is 273 mm wide
For 50-series tires, you will want a tire that is 246 mm wide
For 55-series tires, you will want a tire that is 224 mm wide
For 60-series tires, you will want a tire that is 205 mm wide
For 65-series tires, you will want a tire that is 189 mm wide
For 70-series tires, you will want a tire that is 176 mm wide
For 75-series tires, you will want a tire that is 164 mm wide
For 80-series tires, you will want a tire that is 154 mm wide
For 85-series tires, you will want a tire that is 145 mm wide
For 90-series tires, you will want a tire that is 137 mm wide
If you want to run 17-inch wheels:
For 35-series tires, you will want a tire that is 315 mm wide
For 40-series tires, you will want a tire that is 276 mm wide
For 45-series tires, you will want a tire that is 245 mm wide
For 50-series tires, you will want a tire that is 221 mm wide
For 55-series tires, you will want a tire that is 201 mm wide
For 60-series tires, you will want a tire that is 184 mm wide
For 65-series tires, you will want a tire that is 170 mm wide
For 70-series tires, you will want a tire that is 158 mm wide
For 75-series tires, you will want a tire that is 147 mm wide
For 80-series tires, you will want a tire that is 138 mm wide
For 85-series tires, you will want a tire that is 130 mm wide
For 90-series tires, you will want a tire that is 123 mm wide
If you want to run 18-inch wheels:
For 35-series tires, you will want a tire that is 279 mm wide
For 40-series tires, you will want a tire that is 244 mm wide
For 45-series tires, you will want a tire that is 217 mm wide
For 50-series tires, you will want a tire that is 195 mm wide
For 55-series tires, you will want a tire that is 177 mm wide
For 60-series tires, you will want a tire that is 163 mm wide
For 65-series tires, you will want a tire that is 150 mm wide
For 70-series tires, you will want a tire that is 139 mm wide
For 75-series tires, you will want a tire that is 130 mm wide
For 80-series tires, you will want a tire that is 122 mm wide
For 85-series tires, you will want a tire that is 115 mm wide
For 90-series tires, you will want a tire that is 108 mm wide
If you want to run 19-inch wheels:
For 35-series tires, you will want a tire that is 243 mm wide
For 40-series tires, you will want a tire that is 212 mm wide
For 45-series tires, you will want a tire that is 189 mm wide
For 50-series tires, you will want a tire that is 170 mm wide
For 55-series tires, you will want a tire that is 154 mm wide
For 60-series tires, you will want a tire that is 142 mm wide
For 65-series tires, you will want a tire that is 131 mm wide
For 70-series tires, you will want a tire that is 121 mm wide
For 75-series tires, you will want a tire that is 113 mm wide
For 80-series tires, you will want a tire that is 106 mm wide
For 85-series tires, you will want a tire that is 100 mm wide
For 90-series tires, you will want a tire that is 94 mm wide

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Your hands hurting you yet Einstein?

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Here's a good tire calculator www.powerdog.com/tiresize.cgi

You can enter a group of tire sizes and out comes a comparative table. Here below, I believe are the stats on the closest 16-inch sizes.

..........sidewall &nbspDiameter &nbspRevs/Mi &nbspDif
205/60-16, 4.8 in, 25.7 in, 785, 0.0%
225/55-16, 4.9 in, 25.7 in, 783, 0.2%
215/55-16, 4.7 in, 25.3 in, 797, -1.5%
205/50/16, 4.4 in, 24.9in, 811, -3.1
225/50-16, 4.4 in, 24.9in, 811, -3.2%
215/50-16, 4.2 in, 24.5in, 824, -4.8%
225/60-16 5.3 in 26.6 in 757 3.7%
As Einstein says, the 225/55's are the closest diametric match to the OEM tires.

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Originally posted by Lrpba300:
I don't want 2 (sorry RED HOT TL)go
dude, don't say that, everyone's got their own style, I like to say "dude", and "gay" since that's all I hear all day long at school, sorry everyone that I'm addicted to those words.

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Originally posted by Red Hot TL:
Originally posted by Lrpba300:
I don't want 2 (sorry RED HOT TL)go
dude, don't say that, everyone's got their own style, I like to say "dude", and "gay" since that's all I hear all day long at school, sorry everyone that I'm addicted to those words.

Red Hot..just kidding w/ ya..u joked w/ me about using 2's so much, I had 2 differ for your sake only! It's cool "DUDE"


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The TCS works because it senses a difference in wheel speeds. Therefore, as long as the tires are all approximately the same circumference, you're OK.

As for calibration to the stock tire traction, I really don't think that's the case.

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Originally posted by Einstein:
SPEAKING OF OPTIONS!!!

(I'm considering 500/35-ZZZ12 myself)

I give, I give! To much Info! We're just talking tires Einstein, not rocket science! Your way into this stuff. Please try & stay on us common folk's level would ya! LOL



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Originally posted by Lrpba300:
Red Hot..just kidding w/ ya..u joked w/ me about using 2's so much, I had 2 differ for your sake only! It's cool "DUDE"

ha, trying 2 type like you did, 2
it's a bit tiring, gotta leave the keyboard for the "2", and then come back and forth...


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Einstein....have you noticed any speedo inconsistencies when you moved up to the 225/55?? I believe the 225/55 are a bit "taller" than stock. Thinking about upgrading the rubber...just curious.
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So guys, if I get 225/55's how much off my speedo will be?

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Ok, read the whole topic before POSTING SOMETHING that is a repeat!! Or try Ctrl+F to search the page.

Wow, Einstein you must be sore from cutting and pasting all that.....oh nevermind, you must have typed it since there is no other way to transfer information in Windows, you must be tired from using alt+tab to switch between windows and remember that information , and then re-type it....and......

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That's the pagefull of information one website kicked out.

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The 225/55-16 tires would be "off" from the stock 205/60-16 by exactly - 1.5 mm.

Diameter of 205/60-16(stock): 652.4 mm
Diameter of 225/55-16 : 653.9 mm

Difference : 1.5 mm - that is millimeters !!

You would not spot the difference in height even if you stared at it !! You will need a precision instrument to measure the difference. That is as close as it gets !

Thanks Einstein for enlightening me on this.

Some additional diameters to ponder over...

225/50-16 - 631.4 mm
215/60-16 - 664.4 mm
205/55-16 - 631.9 mm

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sounds like we have a new expert

The tires aren't accurate to a millimeter anyway. In fact, consider the tire changes diameter 12-15 mm through it's life as it wears anyway.

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Originally posted by Pawel:
So guys, if I get 225/55's how much off my speedo will be?

I''m having them mounted MOnday.

I'm telling you... the speedometer would only be off 1 MPH from stock when traveling over 120 MPH. That's as good as it gets.


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So will tires with 225/50/16 be ok?

My car would be slightly lowered with Koni shocks and Eibach springs.

I see that there is only a 3% difference. Will this affect the car that much?

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You ned to look at tire specifications for any given tire at Tirerack's site. It has #'s for revolutions per mile for any given tire which might vary by brand/ style even though tires are of comparable size and dimension
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