Why can't we beat a stick Maxima...
10-26-2002, 10:00 AM
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Why can't we beat a stick Maxima...
I'm getting pissed. My friend has a 02 Maxima SE and we stay about even from 40 to 110 and then he starts pulling. But he is always ahead. I can't stand it. He is a pretty good stick driver. Then the other day on RT. 17 by Paramus, NJ another Maxima SE pulled up and took me to. What can I do to beat a stick Maxima. I took a automatic one already. Any opinions.
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10-26-2002, 01:39 PM
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Being left behind at 110 mph is a problem, eh? Maybe you should think of it as your friend's way of "playing rabbit" and distracting the police for you! 
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10-26-2002, 06:30 PM
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the power train loss on our auto is what killing it. a stick has much less power loss. and honda is known for ridiculously bad power loss on the power train, so i wouldn't be surprise at the wheels the tls has less power than the max stick
10-26-2002, 08:18 PM
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sidemarker is right..if you were in a CLS 6 speed, you certainly wouldn't be losing to a stick maxima..you unfortunately can't compare a stick max to our auto TLS, just not fair with all our power loss through the tranny. comparing apples to apples, and you already said you beat an auto maxima, so that should be pleasing enough..otherwise, mod your car and then you can run with stick maxima.
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10-27-2002, 03:33 AM
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I third that....headers. I have them, and they do kick in right were you would need it for days like this, for up to anothe 30HP 
The Maxima is 250HP, and you more than loose the 10HP advantage with the automatic vrs stick. The max also has more low end TQ.
The Maxima is 250HP, and you more than loose the 10HP advantage with the automatic vrs stick. The max also has more low end TQ.
10-27-2002, 06:40 PM
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I would think it's the gearing of the cars.
The 4th and 5th gears in the TL feel like overdrive gears.
The TL-S looses to the CL 6 speed because of the gearing. The gearing is closer.
The 4th and 5th gears in the TL feel like overdrive gears.
The TL-S looses to the CL 6 speed because of the gearing. The gearing is closer.
10-27-2002, 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by Vin
I would think it's the gearing of the cars.
The 4th and 5th gears in the TL feel like overdrive gears.
The TL-S looses to the CL 6 speed because of the gearing. The gearing is closer.
I would think it's the gearing of the cars.
The 4th and 5th gears in the TL feel like overdrive gears.
The TL-S looses to the CL 6 speed because of the gearing. The gearing is closer.
10-28-2002, 12:47 AM
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i just raced my friends auto maxima, he is pretty close to me, i barely beat him by half a car to almost one car length. we are both auto and stock. only problem i have is the damn tires have 27k on them, and they are the stock crap michelin. does this outcome sound right? if so, those maxima's are fast, too bad the gas mileage cant compare!
10-28-2002, 04:47 AM
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the Maxima's are fast, your looking at 250hp vrs 260, though a little more TQ on the MAX. So it can be close, though I dont know what speeds you went up to.
Headers and intake will fix that though, I have ran a bestof 14.1 with stock tires, comptech headers, exhaust and filter. 13's surely possible if a few more tricks, and if the tranny doesn't fall out first (sorry, had to add gripe, car is at the dealer).
The stock tires suck, the Max has better from the factory, get some real rubber, and make sure VSA is always off, and I think you can pull at least 2 cars on the auto maxima stock for stock up to 90 or so.
Headers and intake will fix that though, I have ran a bestof 14.1 with stock tires, comptech headers, exhaust and filter. 13's surely possible if a few more tricks, and if the tranny doesn't fall out first (sorry, had to add gripe, car is at the dealer).
The stock tires suck, the Max has better from the factory, get some real rubber, and make sure VSA is always off, and I think you can pull at least 2 cars on the auto maxima stock for stock up to 90 or so.
10-28-2002, 09:53 AM
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I have both Auto Max and TLS and sorry but the TLS doesnt pull on the Max at all. My brother and I have raced them both had great launches and the Max pulls away initially by 3/4 car but by 60-65 we are running dead even and this was like this up to about 85. No way the TLS will pull on auto Max given good drivers and great launches on both. Leave the Manual max to the CLS manual.
10-28-2002, 10:06 AM
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I think even with headers you will have some trouble. The manual Max is putting more power to the ground b/c it's a stick... but it also has much better gear ratios. Even with the headers, you'll pull a little better in fourth... but the Max will still pull on you around 100-110. Our gearing in 4th and 5th just kills you, they are too tall... nothing you can do about it.
Like Monte TLS,MAX said, the 6speed CL-S would give the stick Max a better run....
Like Monte TLS,MAX said, the 6speed CL-S would give the stick Max a better run....
10-28-2002, 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by typeSmaximum
the Maxima's are fast, your looking at 250hp vrs 260, though a little more TQ on the MAX. So it can be close, though I dont know what speeds you went up to.
Headers and intake will fix that though, I have ran a bestof 14.1 with stock tires, comptech headers, exhaust and filter. 13's surely possible if a few more tricks, and if the tranny doesn't fall out first
the Maxima's are fast, your looking at 250hp vrs 260, though a little more TQ on the MAX. So it can be close, though I dont know what speeds you went up to.
Headers and intake will fix that though, I have ran a bestof 14.1 with stock tires, comptech headers, exhaust and filter. 13's surely possible if a few more tricks, and if the tranny doesn't fall out first
All this money I put in, I expect it to be at least half a second better than what they say in Motor Trend for a stock TL-S.axleback
10-28-2002, 12:11 PM
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First, lighten up the car... drop the fron to 26-28 PSI... bat tires at 44 PSI.... VSA off.. AC off.. BT to 2000 rpm and feather the throtle untill you are ar 4500 rpm... then floor it... Gate Shot 1-2-D3 and shift at 6800 rpms.
Enjoy the ride...
Enjoy the ride...
10-28-2002, 01:47 PM
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I still do not believe 14.1 for TL-S. 14.1/100mph that's what 540 i6 is bearly capable of doing and it runs 0-60mpt in 5.6 secs.
I still do not believe 14.1 for TL-S. 14.1/100mph that's what 540 i6 is bearly capable of doing and it runs 0-60mpt in 5.6 secs.
With the mods he has... 14.1-14.4 or so sounds right...
10-28-2002, 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by typeSmaximum
the Maxima's are fast, your looking at 250hp vrs 260, though a little more TQ on the MAX. So it can be close, though I dont know what speeds you went up to.
Headers and intake will fix that though, I have ran a bestof 14.1 with stock tires, comptech headers, exhaust and filter. 13's surely possible if a few more tricks, and if the tranny doesn't fall out first (sorry, had to add gripe, car is at the dealer).
The stock tires suck, the Max has better from the factory, get some real rubber, and make sure VSA is always off, and I think you can pull at least 2 cars on the auto maxima stock for stock up to 90 or so.
the Maxima's are fast, your looking at 250hp vrs 260, though a little more TQ on the MAX. So it can be close, though I dont know what speeds you went up to.
Headers and intake will fix that though, I have ran a bestof 14.1 with stock tires, comptech headers, exhaust and filter. 13's surely possible if a few more tricks, and if the tranny doesn't fall out first (sorry, had to add gripe, car is at the dealer).
The stock tires suck, the Max has better from the factory, get some real rubber, and make sure VSA is always off, and I think you can pull at least 2 cars on the auto maxima stock for stock up to 90 or so.
10-28-2002, 08:56 PM
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This was last year, I don't race the TL-s Often, I have a C5 for that. I'll see if I can find the slip, it wasn't that amazing to me as I run 11s in my other ride, no reason for me to make this up.
VSA off, spare tire out, H/I/E, rembember if your above sea level, and/or don't correct for it your time will be slower, lower psi on front tires, higher on the back, and SS is a waste in the 1/4 as you only use it once, I used the gate shifter, held 1st and 2nd long as I could. Also, the colder months like this and November will help you, off I went to a pretty good time. I was itiching for a few more mods back then, like the MM that never came out to get the 13s, even if just once, but now with the tranny issues all the forum, and my new project, the wife uses the car 90% of the time.
VSA off, spare tire out, H/I/E, rembember if your above sea level, and/or don't correct for it your time will be slower, lower psi on front tires, higher on the back, and SS is a waste in the 1/4 as you only use it once, I used the gate shifter, held 1st and 2nd long as I could. Also, the colder months like this and November will help you, off I went to a pretty good time. I was itiching for a few more mods back then, like the MM that never came out to get the 13s, even if just once, but now with the tranny issues all the forum, and my new project, the wife uses the car 90% of the time.
10-29-2002, 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by typeSmaximum
This was last year, I don't race the TL-s Often, I have a C5 for that. I'll see if I can find the slip, it wasn't that amazing to me as I run 11s in my other ride, no reason for me to make this up.
VSA off, spare tire out, H/I/E, rembember if your above sea level, and/or don't correct for it your time will be slower, lower psi on front tires, higher on the back, and SS is a waste in the 1/4 as you only use it once, I used the gate shifter, held 1st and 2nd long as I could. Also, the colder months like this and November will help you, off I went to a pretty good time. I was itiching for a few more mods back then, like the MM that never came out to get the 13s, even if just once, but now with the tranny issues all the forum, and my new project, the wife uses the car 90% of the time.
This was last year, I don't race the TL-s Often, I have a C5 for that. I'll see if I can find the slip, it wasn't that amazing to me as I run 11s in my other ride, no reason for me to make this up.
VSA off, spare tire out, H/I/E, rembember if your above sea level, and/or don't correct for it your time will be slower, lower psi on front tires, higher on the back, and SS is a waste in the 1/4 as you only use it once, I used the gate shifter, held 1st and 2nd long as I could. Also, the colder months like this and November will help you, off I went to a pretty good time. I was itiching for a few more mods back then, like the MM that never came out to get the 13s, even if just once, but now with the tranny issues all the forum, and my new project, the wife uses the car 90% of the time.
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