Guest

Why buy a TL-S when you can buy a JAGUAR X-TYPE for the same price???

Sure... you get a little more room. But you could be driving a JAGUAR!

Sure... you get a faster car. But you could be driving a JAGUAR!

You could be driving a J.A.G.U.A.R.!!!!!!!
http://www.x-type.com/

Avirex34

Roostaman you have a point, went to the site: and the X looks sweet. when does it come out?

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98 Lexus LS400
Soon: TL-S W/Nav

Tag66

Edmunds has a small write-up on it.. Comes out this spring. BASE will be in the low 30's. I think its safe to assume that with some basic options, the car will hit the 40's without a problem.

doopstr

Well see if you buy the Jaguar you will still need to buy the Acura so you have something to drive for the 4 out of 5 days that the Jaguar is in the shop.

NSXNEXT

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GOOD ONE

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1999 Satin Silver Metallic 3.2 TL w/o Navigation

• 18x8 Racing Hart C2s with Dunlop SP Sport 9000 225/40ZR18
• Comptech Springs, Sways, Exhaust, and Headers
• Red AEM CAI
• A'PEXi Digital VTEC AFC
• Factory Underbody Kit and Spoiler
• Clifford Intelliguard 9000 alarm
• Alpine 6 disk CD changer
• Burlwood shift knob
• Trunk tray
• 20% tint

Guest

Actually you'll be driving a Ford, Mondeo to be exact. The X-Type is not even worth looking at until the 300HP+ Supercharged version comes out sometime in the future, if at all. Of course, you may be inclined towards the AWD system that is not available on the TL-S.



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2001 CL-S "The Original Pimp Daddy Gold™"
a study in pimp daddy gold

MikeS

AMI Auto Weekley had a two page spread on it. I was pretty impressed, but it starts at 32K, by the time you add all the goodies it will be low to mid 40's

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2000 TL - Laguna Green, Navi, Rear Spoiler. PIAA Hyperwhite HB's. 17" CL-S wheels with Bridgestone RE 730 - 225/45/17's. Soon to have Comptech Suspension, Sways & Axle back Exhaust.

acuraguynj

Jags always have had quality issues and basically you are just driving a souped up Ford Taurus. If the pricing adds up to 40K, might as well get a loaded BMW 3 Series.

Guest

A few thoughts:

While Jags have a pretty bad rep for quality, this data dates back to when Jag was its own company. Now that the new Jags are Ford reincarnates, they will have similar reliability (i.e. fair to good).

Secondly, I can't help by smirk when I see folks say things like "it's a dressed up Taurus!" Of all the luxury nameplates, Acura has the worst reputation from distancing itself from its "pedestrian" Honda roots!

The TL (until now, I suppose) could easily pass for an Accord in 6 out of 8 angles. The old CL was literally an Accord coupe, and the Integra is a dressed up Civic. Big deal and get used to it. It's going to happen more and more as we get 3 big automakers with 3-6 global unabody platforms amongst them.

The Jag is a nice set of wheels. But you know what? Jag owners are not Acura owners. I submit they are a different demographic. Jag owners are brand conscious and detail blind. Their cars up til now have been smooth, sexy, and silky, but not advanced or technologically compelling.

Acura owners, typically, are luxury value shoppers. We know the products in great detail, and decide where we can get the most car for our money. Typically, "most car" includes features such as sun roof, HID headlights, etc., and not style and typically not power.

I'm just saying, that's all. Let the flames begin to flare...

Indyjenks

Well said Jondeutch! Look at my signature, I own a pretty fair crop of different engines and I like them all! Diversity is what makes the world go around! I wont dis anyones ride because, to them, its the real deal! My neighbor has a Jag XK8 convertible that her sponsor bought for her as a signing bonus. It is a smooth ride... Jag certainly DID have its quality issues, but Ford is bringing them into the 20th century. I wouldnt hesitate to buy the X if it floats your boat. To me, 40 - 42K would be spent on an Audi A6 2.7t....now that floats MY boat... My 2 cents worth...

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99 Chevy Explorer high top conversion (vacation ride)
94 Ranger Splash 4x4 ext cab
80 Honda CB750F (Shoei/Kerker)
02 TL-S Aegean Blue (due 3/18)

acuraguynj

I love my SOUPED up ACCORD (TL), just like that souped up JAG TAURUS ;-)

You guys are right, it's the JAG brand name, but if the quality is just OK,, why not just go with a proven brand, such as Lexus or BMW.

So many decisions on cars, can't decide. I just need to buy them all ;-)

Guest

One word – Reliability!

Road Rage

Even the "S" Jaguar looks too Fordey for me - the bumper chrome strips look straight off of a Crown Vic. Expect even more of that kind of corporate content on the X.

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2000 TL w. Comptech header/exhaust
SSR Integral A2's
17x7 45mm offset
Pirelli P7000 (Summer) 215-50/17
Fender lips rolled

TL-S on order: Silver/NAV

Guest

You know.... That's why I like this forum so much. You guys are OBVIOUSLY TL-S guys, yet your comments aren't completely derrogatory towards other cars.

I just wanted to get a reaction with my initial post, WHICH I DID!

Alas, I am troubled with the dilemma that faces me in the coming year: Do I spend the $30 large for a well established, value packed, bang-for-your-buck, spacious, 260HP, front wheel drive, conservative-looking sedan from Honda/Acura, or $35 beans for an upscale, luxurious but not-so-spacious, 194HP, ALL wheel drive, aggressive yet classic-looking sedan from Ford/Jaguar?

Sure, you get more for your money with the Acura... but you KNOW you're gonna be turning heads with the Cat.

I'll have more than enough room for the family in the Acura, but I live and work in the Fairfield, CT / Westchester NY area, and the All wheel drive is a don't-really-need-but-wish-I-had feature.

You know you'll be more comfortable in the Acura... but most people will have NO idea that the Jag you're driving doesn't cost $50 grand! That's a pretty comforting thought to me.

Help me out, people!!! What to do?!?!?!?!

Sincerely conflicted,

RoostaMan

Guest

"Amen" to JonDeutsch's reply...one of the most well-written posts on the TL-S board.

Acura vs. Jag? Roosta, it seems your choice is largely based on the image you want to project to others. So, do you see yourself as...

1) a reliable guy who is conservative on the outside but able to REALLY perform when it counts.

OR

2) a flakey guy who is flashy and good-looking on the outside but in need of pharmaceutical assistance (i.e. Viagra) when it comes time to perform.

#1...go TL-S.
#2...go X-type.

juniorbean

iTrader: (5)

The Jag is nice, but too expensive for what you're getting (dressed up Ford). Sure, Acura's are Honda's, but I'd rather have a Honda over a Ford anyday (except maybe a Mustang, sorry guys, but I like them ). Plus for around $40k-$42k loaded, I'll take an Audi S4 instead!!



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FlyingPig

Let's see....
Why would I want to be caught driving an ugly Jag? DUH!
Why would I want to pay 35k a Ford Contour? DUH!
Why would I want a car that spends most of its life in the shop? DUH!
Wait, let me fine something good to say about the x type....
oh yeah, it's probably going to be all wheel drive, since Jag doesn't want to mess up the rear wheel drive image with a front wheel drive car.

Guest

So much for the UNBIASED opinions...

RoostaMan

FlyingPig

...just respecting the original poster...
You need to respond to biased comment with a biased response.
BTW, does Jaguar count as luxury car manufacturer?

Guest

good point, jondouche j/k anyway, you are right, but all companies have that problem. you named the honda ones, but dont forget about:

lexus es = toyota camry
lexus lx = toyota land cruiser
lexus is = toyota corolla
infiniti i30 = nissan maxima
infiniti g20 = nissan altima

oracion

Simply personal preference. Even an S500 is nice but I just prefer the TL.

JTang

Isn't the Infiniti G20 = Nissan Sentra SE-R? Just a thought Either way, these near luxury vehicles are the similar to other main stream cars.

Edward'TLS

For someone who is only interested in the Jaguar brand recognition and luxury level, 35K is well worth it.

2001

That's Right. S-type = Lincoln LS

FlyingPig

...on the bright side....
X Type looks more like a ford, actually Lincoln or Infiniti.
I'm not sure if that's good, but it isn't nearly as ugly as a typical Jag.

Now the F Type...ok still ugly, but at least it looks interesting.....I may actually consider that....wait.....nah...

Guest

Ok RoostaMan, now an opinion (after all, I am the Editor-in-Chief of <A HREF="http://theopinion.com" target=_new>The Opinion</A>!):

The new Jag looks like a Taurus-type-vehicle from the rear and even more from the side, which is disappointing. The headlight array looks distinct, but definitely downscale from the S-Type. The interior looks pretty sharp for a Jag, and should be pretty comfy and slick.

My Point: With more Jags like this on the street, I'm not sure that people will always assume that any Jag is $50K+ and therefore conclude that you're a big-time playa'. In a worst case scenario, people may identify you a Jag-drivin'-wannabee. Kinda like if you bought a BMW 318 hatchback or an Infinity I30 in 1998 (a Maxima with an "I" on the grill) -- bottom bucket cars in luxo lines are self-evident, and you ain't foolin' nobody. On the up-side, people may think you're da'bomb cause you're cruisin' around in a legit Cat. My prediction: there will be folks in both camps.

The new TLs are not going to turn heads -- they apparently aren't designed to. I think this is a shame, personally, because for $30+, I'd like to at least get a rush when I look at it in my garage or in my driveway.

However, there is a silver lining to this: no one is going to ever look at you as a wannabee-anything. In fact, they're probably just not going to look at you. The TL isn't going to evoke much emotion on either side of the fence, which could make it the ideal car if your personality is dynamic. You definitely don't want to be the "wacky" guy that drives that new Jag -- it's just too much. People will think that you're trying to prove something. However, if you're a dynamic guy in a TL, you have a nice contrast -- keeps people guessing, which is always fun -- and makes you a more interesting character.

On the inside, I think both cars are in the same league. I think the TL interior is one of the most ergonomic and comfortable interiors in any car on the road, period. With GPS, it looks utterly high-tech and futuristic, yet in a reserved, refined way. I haven't been in the X-type, but I assume it'll be quite nice as well. It also has some type of screen for information, which makes it look high-tech as well.

Look, I'm in the same boat -- I want the TL-S for everything except for what it tells everyone else. I'm not the kind of guy to buy a boring-mobile -- I want a vehicle that's dynamic, slightly out of the mainstream, performs well, and an excellent value. My current Integra fit the bill 4 years ago, but it's getting long in the tooth as I begin to surf into my mid-30's.

The TL, on the outside, looks more like a cruisemobile for either an empty-nester or a young family. I'm neither at this point.
The 2002 styling is a big-big improvement in the looks department. However, the rump still screams import-Cadillac, IMHO. Too frumpy.

So, my short-list, in order of likelyhood:

TL-S
2002 A4 (new model, looks very promising!!)
BMW 325i
Jag Type-X (I am GenX, after all)

As much as I love the teutonic exterior styling of the Bimmer and Audi, their interiors are hard, cramped, and not nearly as attractive as the TL and Type-X. So, there is my quandry.

But, this is about you, not me. You'll probably get the Jag because if you weren't image conscious, you wouldn't be looking at the Jag in the first place. The only reason you'd get the TL over the Jag are the following:

- You're more value conscious than image conscious
- You simply can't afford a well-equipped X-Type (Est $38k).

If these two things are false, then you definitely belong in the Jag or one of the German sports sedans.

That's what I think, and therefore is my opinion. Read slowly, digest, and enjoy.

Jon




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dcdomain

I too had the same problem when I first heard of rumours on the X-Type. The styling on the car and the name really puts the TL away. But the real reason I considered it was the AWD system.

However, I'll stick with the TL-S when it debuts. I would rather know in my mind that I just spent my money on the most bang for the buck car I could get. The AWD system would be nice, but I'll make do with the superb FWD and stabilization system from the Type-S. I know in the future, if I had bought the X-Type, I would play the purchase over and over in my head on why I bought it, more expensive, less power, less room, I've never liked English or American cars... why why why.

But it sure is rather tempting.

chiawei

Please!!!!

IS300 is riding on a much different platform as corolla.
IS300=Altezza

Also, G20 is also on a different platform as US sentra.

G20=Primera

BTW- Who in the hell would want a ford made jag????? Espeically is it riding on the world car platform (the mondeo/contour/mystique) with a souped up version of Taurus V6.

For that kind of money, I can buy 2 tauruses already.

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2001-Solar Yellow IS300
2001-Titanium Silver 530i

Guest

I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but man, that X-Type is U-G-L-Y! I've never been a fan of American or English cars, but this one pretty much tops it. You are going to pay in the area of $40K for a Ford Taurus with some badly-designed Jaguar sheet metal. Having said that, let me say that Jag (Ford) has designed some of the classiest cars on the road, save the S-Type. Having said THAT, let me say that jag made some great cars in their day. By that I mean before the '70s. I'd rather pay for a TL-S than to drive a S- or X-Type that was given to me for free. Crazy as that sounds, it's true.