Update on the Rick Case mystery mod...
08-30-2001, 12:59 PM
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Update on the Rick Case mystery mod...
08-30-2001, 01:24 PM
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I read all 11 pages of the original thread on this topic at cl.com. Lots of questions and flames, but no answers. Obviously, all modders are going to be interested in this, but there's no reason to get excited until the end of October, when it's revealed just what it is.
08-30-2001, 02:00 PM
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Yes, the original thread got way out of hand.
However, $299 for the gains that I posted dyno graphs to can't be beat... I'd be excited even if I didn't know what it was.
However, $299 for the gains that I posted dyno graphs to can't be beat... I'd be excited even if I didn't know what it was.
08-30-2001, 02:57 PM
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I'm really skeptical about these horsepower gains for only $299. I have to see this actual modification before I believe it.
08-30-2001, 03:29 PM
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Here's an easier way to read the dyno.... there's already a topic on here with just the dyno, that way you don't have to read through 11 pages of crap for the info......
http://www.acura-tl.com/forum/showth...threadid=20175
http://www.acura-tl.com/forum/showth...threadid=20175
08-30-2001, 07:18 PM
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It's CAM GEARS. Not something I'm likely to do with a $30k car under warrenty. Unless you have access to a dyno, and high knowledge of cam timing dynamics, your better off taking them to a pro speed shop for installation.
Just my .02
Just my .02
08-31-2001, 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by mackdaddy
It's CAM GEARS. Not something I'm likely to do with a $30k car under warrenty. Unless you have access to a dyno, and high knowledge of cam timing dynamics, your better off taking them to a pro speed shop for installation.
Just my .02
It's CAM GEARS. Not something I'm likely to do with a $30k car under warrenty. Unless you have access to a dyno, and high knowledge of cam timing dynamics, your better off taking them to a pro speed shop for installation.
Just my .02
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08-31-2001, 09:30 AM
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Misinformation spreads fast on the internet. If you're not sure what the mod is, don't guess and report it as fact.
Misinformation spreads fast on the internet. If you're not sure what the mod is, don't guess and report it as fact.
Agreed....
There's no way it's cam gears. If you re-read the topic at cl.com, it's a quick bolt on that does not affect warranty. That information alone should totally rule out Cam gears. I have no guess what it is, but I want it anyway!!
08-31-2001, 09:54 AM
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Based on what I 've read over on the CL forum, it's something that's a quick bolt-on, highly visible, makes both hp and torque, relatively inexpensive, and isn't an intake/headers/exhaust.
My guess, maybe it's enlarged or optimized throttle body or intake manifold thats been Exrude Honed like some of Ford's SVT products.
Whatever it is I can't wait to see as the suspense is killing me.
My guess, maybe it's enlarged or optimized throttle body or intake manifold thats been Exrude Honed like some of Ford's SVT products.
Whatever it is I can't wait to see as the suspense is killing me.
08-31-2001, 10:06 AM
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Thephantom: I believe (and might be wrong) that cam gears would replace the belt that currently connects the crank to the cam. This would make the cam drive more direct, and would probably add a significant amount of noise (gear whine) from the engine bay. And I can't believe that this is what they are talking about, since, unless the belt stretches, such a change would not make any more power. The only advantage that I could see would be the improved reliability over a drive belt. I've bent valves on a Honda Civic when the cam drive belt broke at 105,000. Don't know if the Acura engine is built the same way...
My 71 Volvo had fiber cam gears which are supposed to be quieter, but they wore down and caused valve train noise as well.
My 71 Volvo had fiber cam gears which are supposed to be quieter, but they wore down and caused valve train noise as well.
08-31-2001, 11:40 AM
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Alright here's the deal. Ron knows what the mod is. So somebody go down to Florida and beat the crap out of him till he tells you. Then report back to us what it is.
You don't mind Ron do you?
You don't mind Ron do you?
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08-31-2001, 01:12 PM
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Trust me, Tim and I try to get more info out of him. We didn't do too well. We even try to get him drunk CLICK HERE Tim and I jump of the boat, but Ron didn't jump because he knew that if he did, we would have gone up the boat and left him, until he told us what the MOD was.
CLICK HERE Tim and I jump of the boat, but Ron didn't jump because he knew that if he did, we would have gone up the boat and left him, until he told us what the MOD was.
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Alright here's the deal. Ron knows what the mod is. So somebody go down to Florida and beat the crap out of him till he tells you. Then report back to us what it is.
You don't mind Ron do you?
Alright here's the deal. Ron knows what the mod is. So somebody go down to Florida and beat the crap out of him till he tells you. Then report back to us what it is.
You don't mind Ron do you?
08-31-2001, 01:48 PM
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Perhaps it's similar to a superchip (forgove me as I haven't been keeping up).
But anyways, those are like the exact HP/TQ gains I got on my ZX2 from adding a superchip, so I dunno...anyone else think it could be that?
The chip could be put in/pulled out any time really quickly (for dealership runs)
But anyways, those are like the exact HP/TQ gains I got on my ZX2 from adding a superchip, so I dunno...anyone else think it could be that?
The chip could be put in/pulled out any time really quickly (for dealership runs)
08-31-2001, 06:33 PM
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Think what you may, but I'm just reporting what one of SynCivic's bud's stated... cam gears. Don't have the time to find the thread right now, but it's there (www.acura-cl.com) Maybe bullsh!t, but he seemed to be genuine about it.
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09-01-2001, 02:25 AM
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Originally posted by Kaz
Perhaps it's similar to a superchip (forgove me as I haven't been keeping up).
But anyways, those are like the exact HP/TQ gains I got on my ZX2 from adding a superchip, so I dunno...anyone else think it could be that?
The chip could be put in/pulled out any time really quickly (for dealership runs)
Perhaps it's similar to a superchip (forgove me as I haven't been keeping up).
But anyways, those are like the exact HP/TQ gains I got on my ZX2 from adding a superchip, so I dunno...anyone else think it could be that?
The chip could be put in/pulled out any time really quickly (for dealership runs)
I hope it is that. As you said, it would be very easy to install/uninstall.
09-01-2001, 11:37 PM
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It's not cam gears as that is not a quick simple bolt-on application. A chip is also not a bolt-on application. I guess we will have to wait and see if this is anything besides donkey crap!
09-03-2001, 07:42 PM
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I hope it's not cam gears!
I think 299$ for 10+HP AND 10+ ft/lbs of torque is a good deal! But, no way am I going to put CAM GEARS on my car especially with it being brand new. I hope it is not cam gears and is truly a bolt-on part. That extra power would give it just that extra snap it needs. Throw on a air intake and I would be happy for now. Then just wait for Comptech to put out its supercharger kit, beef up the torque converter/trans, and I am all set baby!!!!!!!! Bring on the BMW's then!
09-03-2001, 09:42 PM
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I haven't read thru all the pages and don't know if this was suggested but I'll take a stab. Looking at the dyno's, there's nice gains with the "mod" only over stock. But there is also some more gains simply by adding a CAI with the "mod" albeit not as much as with just mod. Since a big-bore TB has already been installed about a year ago by Bnut (I think) - but he never dyno'd, I'll say it is a larger diameter mass air-flow sensor assembly. It would be an easy bolt-on, visible at the end of the CAI near the TB, the CAI would further enhance its gains as the dyno shows, and be in it's price range. Yes, no, maybe?
09-04-2001, 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by Brewboy
I haven't read thru all the pages and don't know if this was suggested but I'll take a stab. Looking at the dyno's, there's nice gains with the "mod" only over stock. But there is also some more gains simply by adding a CAI with the "mod" albeit not as much as with just mod. Since a big-bore TB has already been installed about a year ago by Bnut (I think) - but he never dyno'd, I'll say it is a larger diameter mass air-flow sensor assembly. It would be an easy bolt-on, visible at the end of the CAI near the TB, the CAI would further enhance its gains as the dyno shows, and be in it's price range. Yes, no, maybe?
I haven't read thru all the pages and don't know if this was suggested but I'll take a stab. Looking at the dyno's, there's nice gains with the "mod" only over stock. But there is also some more gains simply by adding a CAI with the "mod" albeit not as much as with just mod. Since a big-bore TB has already been installed about a year ago by Bnut (I think) - but he never dyno'd, I'll say it is a larger diameter mass air-flow sensor assembly. It would be an easy bolt-on, visible at the end of the CAI near the TB, the CAI would further enhance its gains as the dyno shows, and be in it's price range. Yes, no, maybe?
09-04-2001, 02:41 PM
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Question for MchTypeS????
I noticed in the summary of your car you have a Level 10 Torque converter and some MDX parts installed. Please tell me how your car drives and performs with these parts on it and what kind of costs were involved???????? I myself was thinking of contacting Level 10 to make my automatic more competitive with the new 6spd. manual coming out. Please be detailed in your reply if you get this message. Thanks-
09-05-2001, 12:22 AM
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well i dont know about this $299 mod at rick case acura but i did buy my 02 tl at rick case and the salesman there showed me a tl-sx model of the tl...its a base tl-s with something from the 3.5 mdx engine...sorry can't remember...anyway it ups the displacement of the tl-s from 3.2 to 3.5 and it comes with the factory aero kit, special leather, cold air induction, comptech srings and some other stuff...the horsepower is bumped from the stock 260hp to 330hp..its a few grand more than the stock tl-s....all under factory warranty. the number there is 954-587-1111..call them if you want...just some info.
09-05-2001, 07:21 AM
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3.5 Liter TL-S
I wonder if this is the package that SynCivic talks about that can be done to a TL-S and costs around 5 grand???? I would skip the aero kit, and any other dress up item. Skip the springs too. And just go for the performance items and have a complete sleeper. I wonder how much the torque is if the hp goes up to 300.
09-06-2001, 12:34 PM
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Since the hp (and it's rpm) is fictional you can guestimate.
(stock) 260hp @ 6100 rpms = 223.8 lb/ft @ 6100 rpms
300hp @ 6100 rpms = 258.2 lb/ft @ 6100 rpms
A gain of 13.3%
(stock) 232 lb/ft @ 3500 rpms * 13.3% = 262.8 lb/ft @ 3500 rpms
But more than likely the 300hp would come from more from rpms and less from torque, so it's probably more like this.
300hp @ 6450 rpms = 244.2 lb/ft @ 6100 rpms
A gain of 8.3 %
(stock) 232 lb/ft @ 3500 rpms * 8.3% = 251 lb/ft @ 3500 rpms.
possible stock vs mod?
260hp @ 6100 232 lb/ft @ 3500
300hp @ 6450 251 lb/ft @ 3500
*I need a new project at work*
(stock) 260hp @ 6100 rpms = 223.8 lb/ft @ 6100 rpms
300hp @ 6100 rpms = 258.2 lb/ft @ 6100 rpms
A gain of 13.3%
(stock) 232 lb/ft @ 3500 rpms * 13.3% = 262.8 lb/ft @ 3500 rpms
But more than likely the 300hp would come from more from rpms and less from torque, so it's probably more like this.
300hp @ 6450 rpms = 244.2 lb/ft @ 6100 rpms
A gain of 8.3 %
(stock) 232 lb/ft @ 3500 rpms * 8.3% = 251 lb/ft @ 3500 rpms.
possible stock vs mod?
260hp @ 6100 232 lb/ft @ 3500
300hp @ 6450 251 lb/ft @ 3500
*I need a new project at work*
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